Preston Davey Trial

[upyernelly]

Yeah ok I get they might be some good social workers out there, my point is there is a professional social worker on here with a profile picture of becky jones which I dont find very nice to be honest. I can imagine what type of social worker she is... why have this type of image as your profile given her profession I dont understand its unprofessional and very much like a troll... but ok they are not all as bad.

My profile picture used to be my dogs - then it was Becky jones - from back in the lock down days when the threads were really quite fun. I had breast cancer and went through a hard time and didn’t post for a long time. And tbh - there’s not many threads I do post on now…. But anyway, I never really got round to changing it. I probably should tbh.
But again- I understand your point of view. There are lots of disappointing sw out there and I can see why you’d make a judgement on me. All I can say is - I work tirelessly for and with the families assigned to me and I’m very good at my job. I’m sorry if your experience hasn’t been positive.

 

[Millais]

I’ve just binge read this thread and one thing that I noticed is that people who come into contact with Jamie and John seem sort of weirdly, I don’t know, like in awe of them? They’re constantly being coddled by health/social care professionals: the text, the wide eyed ‘bringing together people who would never normally meet’ thing as if they were celebrities or Nobel prize winners and the foster parents should be honoured to meet them, nurses dropping everything to pet their little heads instead of working on Preston, the welfare check on Jamie by his coworkers when it was Preston who was suffering. It’s like everyone thinks they’re so special and interesting when they’re just a fat inbred looking teacher and his drippy wet wipe salesman husband living in Blackpool.

 

[Liverbird2003]

How bizarre to judge someone in their professional role because of a profile picture.

 

[MissTeddy]

I can confirm I am actually Sweep.

 

[Emsie]

Yeah ok I get they might be some good social workers out there, my point is there is a professional social worker on here with a profile picture of becky jones which I dont find very nice to be honest. I can imagine what type of social worker she is... why have this type of image as your profile given her profession I dont understand its unprofessional and very much like a troll... but ok they are not all as bad.

What on earth are you in about! Were all on tattle!! Loads of us are professionals, mothers, grandmother's etc. Your profile pic doesn't determine your personality. Mines Ariel and I'm definitely not a mermaid

 

[upyernelly]

I’m a cp social worker and I can tell you it amazes me when people discuss these cases and vehemently deny that there can be any preferences given to adopters and anyone involved with SS, as there are legal processes that must be adhered to by everyone.
It amazes me how people can be so naive.
The processes are only as good as the people implementing them.
The social worker involved in this case without a doubt is not following procedure and I suspect her line manager and the team throughout have poor monitoring of their staff.

 

[watermelonvapes]

Just found this thread and am catching up but wanted to give my two pence on something. Around the time Ian Watkins was killed, I read the full court transcript of what he had done. I don't know did it break my algorithm or what, but it seems since then all I've seen are endless reports after reports, of men raping little babies. And it's broken my brain entirely. Why are we not rioting? Us as women need to go feral and literally rip apart any man who sexually abuses a beautiful innocent little baby. I want to see pedophiles executed on live tv, why are we not doing anything about this but sending them to prison for 3 meals a day I don't want my taxes to feed a dirty baby raping oxygen thief. You rape a baby you get executed, there shouldn't be any alternatives. God I hate the world

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Any evidence to back that up?
The suggestion that people wouldn't do their job properly and wouldn't follow up on/report/raise concerns re a homosexual couple because of a fear of being accused of homophobia, is frankly, ridiculous.
Even more ridiculous is that a child would willy nilly be placed with a gay couple- just to tick a box.....Christ almighty. There's a process. It's followed for all people hoping to adopt.

I remember from your previous comments that you feel very strongly about this. I have highlighted a portion of your comment though that I disagree with. One could replace the word homophobia with e.g. racist, islamophobic, transphobic and there would be examples in each case where this has happened. I think it’s part of modern society, particularly in the UK where people are so frightened of being labelled “-phobic” and causing offence that they do not do their job properly. I’m not even talking about knowing of wrongdoing and deliberately turning a blind eye (though that was suggested re grooming gangs), I was thinking more of “something feels off but I better not pursue it in case I am seen as victimising or being ignorant towards a marginalised/minority/protected group”.

 

[Shinythings]

Yeah ok I get they might be some good social workers out there, my point is there is a professional social worker on here with a profile picture of becky jones which I dont find very nice to be honest. I can imagine what type of social worker she is... why have this type of image as your profile given her profession I dont understand its unprofessional and very much like a troll... but ok they are not all as bad.

Medical and social care professionals love a good bitch as much as the next person. I don't really care if my Dr bitches about Mrs Hinch on here for example, I care that they are a good doctor and are empathetic when doing their job. It's not black and white like that. Granted there's a time and a place and I would never express some of the views I have openly in public, because that would be stupid. It's unrealistic to expect 'helpers' to be professional in every single setting.

 

[ClaraPlum]

I work in a role where I regularly interact with his foster mum, and she is honestly an angel among humans. I feel absolutely devastated for her, she is so devoted to her little ones.

 

[Lyla001]

Yeah ok I get they might be some good social workers out there, my point is there is a professional social worker on here with a profile picture of becky jones which I dont find very nice to be honest. I can imagine what type of social worker she is... why have this type of image as your profile given her profession I dont understand its unprofessional and very much like a troll... but ok they are not all as bad.

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What profile pictures are social workers 'meant ' to have? I think your comment is absolutely ridiculous and totally irrelevant to the thread!

 

[maytoseptember]

It IS harrowing @stickytoffeepud and I do ask myself whether it’s wrong to get in too deep to child abuse trials like this.

But on the other hand, we kind of owe it to these kids to acknowledge that this kind of abuse does go on. It’s easy to turn away and say you don’t want to even think about it.

I genuinely think that if more people knew, really knew, the horrors that some abused children go through, maybe as a society we would be less inclined to “not get involved” and turn a blind eye. How often do we hear about neighbours not speaking up?

 

[Katienana]

I just can't get my head round how something like this escalates from them taking the baby home, becoming frustrated, to then going out of their way to hurting him. And the SA side - surely they must have looked at material like that before becoming parents, so why did they want to become parents at all (the obvious answer being the most horrifying, that this was a deliberate plan).
As an aside does anyone else think the social media trend of complaining about kids and taking and sharing pictures of everything could normalise some abusive behaviours? A school friend of mine once put a photo online of her baby in a state of "poonami" if that wasnt bad enough baby was holding a sign that said something like "I've done a massive shit" i was honestly disgusted by it, who leaves their baby like that to go and make a sign and then post it all online? It's treating children like they are not real people. Babies and children should be respected and their comfort and safety comes first always.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

What a disgusting comment. Are you for fuckin real?. Get your head out of your arse! The only person / people that are responsible for this boys death ARE NOT the 'fag hags' as you put it . Vile comment

I loathe the term "fag hag" but I do think that a lot of women have a tendency to infantilise gay men and let them get away with behaviour that would otherwise be condemned. And I also think that DEI has led to children being placed with inappropriate people because there is a fear of being accused of homophobia etc, and also because it gives them an opportunity to tick a box.

It was a valid comment

 

[Here2BNosey]

Absolutely. How can a baby not be needy? What was he expecting?

Varley must have told so many lies to get approved. Makes me think no amount of checks can stop predatory monsters accessing vulnerable children, because they will always find a way. But monitoring during the adoption process needs to be and could be much more robust. And multiple hospital visits in such a short space of time absolutely needs to be seen as the red flag it obviously is.

I completely agree with all of this. If Preston were on a CP plan with his birth family, do we think the hospital admissions would have been enough to remove him? I personally do think he would have been. Because Jv was a teacher, an adaptor, a safeguarding professional, he was automatically believed and seen as trustworthy. His story wasn't scrutinised the way "charmaine, from the council estate" would be, it was assumed he was telling the truth whereas it would be often assumed birth parents are lying. I believe that directly contributed to Prestons death.

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

Even just this is so saddening to me the image of that poor lady crying all day wondering should she have said or done something differently. Desperately wanting the chance to gently hand over the baby she had raised through all the hard young baby times God love her, I hope she's doing OK

And I’ve just read this part which I haven’t seen before:

How on earth this type of spitefulness didn’t raise alarm bells I don’t know. I am honestly so concerned by the sheer amount of bloody professionals who were blinded by these two or did see the warning signs but chose not to act on them.

 

[owen2110]

Varley was the safeguarding lead at his school. Jesus christ

 

[MmmB777]

Sorry but anyone that believes those injuries combined with the evidence that the poor baby’s DNA was all over the sex toys or the male sexual DNA from both men being all over his trousers is some kind of innocent coincidence would have to be a moron. It’s very obvious what was happening to that baby. Combined again with all the digital evidence of obvious cruelty and fetishisation of this baby. I feel confident they will both be found guilty.

 

[ClaraPlum]

So the doctor who performed the post mortem has confirmed that the bruising could not have been caused by medical intervention. In order for bruising to develop, a person must have a pulse and sufficient blood pressure to allow blood to leak into the surrounding tissues.

When he arrived at hospital, he had no pulse. Although doctors were able to restore circulation briefly, she has stated it was not long enough for bruising to form.

I hope this helps reassure the jury that those bruises were caused at home and not at the hospital

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

The nerve of Varley, blaming the foster parents, saying they spoilt Preston
The foster parents had 25 years of experience and McGowan had none and Varley only had experience of his sister's children.
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You can't "spoil" small baby - and you can't "spoil" a child who is frightened in unfamiliar surroundings with unfamiliar people - all you can do is pour love and attention onto them until they know they are safe and then they will settle.

Very young children don't cry to try to manipulate people or to get their own way - they cry because they are experiencing some form of distress, and it is the parent/ carer's task to find out what it is and put it right.

I hope they get life, and that every day they spend in jail is a day of terror and pain.