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I am finding this all really hard to read but I want to see justice served for baby Preston.

Just to clear up one point - to be a head of year and safeguarding lead he would need some training and a DBS check, that's it. Having a DBS check only shows that the person doesn't have a criminal record, as far as I'm aware. He could still have been a monster.
 
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nothinonyou

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One thing that strikes me listening to the early part of The Trial podcast is that this had all the hallmarks of a quite predictable case. Man struggles to adapt to life with an adopted baby. Seems depressed. Alludes to having thoughts of harming the baby, and so on. Numerous visits to A&E with injuries that may or may not have been non-accidental. Preston’s murder could have quite easily echoed the murders of Elsie Scully-Hicks and Leiland-James Corkill were it not for the sexual abuse element.

It’s just impossible to fathom how one man’s contempt for this baby who (to his mind) destroyed his comfortable life could turn into sexual abuse. I mean it’s possible that Varley entered into the adoption process with that aim, but what if he didn’t? Did JV’s growing dislike and resentment of Preston morph into wanting to sexually abuse him, as some sort of sick and depraved punishment? I’m interested to know what the prosecution come up with, especially in terms of how JFM is implicated as well.
Probably because abuse comes in many forms, almost all forms are present here; sexual, physical and emotional. Nothing was off bounds to punish this baby because they disliked him.

I found it so sad in this podcast they said JV and Preston were in the bath together and Preston was happily playing in the water and JV very loudly shouted "boo!" Which scared Preston and caused him to cry. After they complained so much he never stopped crying , can't understand deliberately making him cry and filming it. So cruel
 
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I think most parents have had a kid that's done a poo while they have been bathing them at some stage. Both of mine did and my response was to immediately get them out of the bath, put a nappy out towel or something over their bum while they finish. empty bath, shower the child or otherwise wash them and then disinfectant the bath. Because to just sit there while it happens is absolutely disgusting. It is not normal to film a kid shitting in the bath and staying in the shitty water.


JV and JF are not on the Preston Crown Court hearing list for today.
 
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PaddyDomino

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That pacing looks like panic at being caught out, not sadness at poor little Preston losing his precious life.
This is what I think - the pacing, the vomiting, him saying "I'm done", "kill me", "I'm going to hell", doesn't he even say at one point "I f**king killed him", he's been caught and he's absolutely freaking out.
No sadness over poor Preston at all 😔
 
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PaddyDomino

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Does he look tanned too? Was he swanning around in the community between 2023 and 2025! Bloody hope not
I think they were!
I think they were remanded in custody in June 2025, so after these interviews.
I just watched that interview footage and, omg, the arrogance, contempt and disdain he shows! 🤬
He's looking at the photos and footage of poor little Preston with the attitude of why are you showing me all these photos of some random baby with bruises, like as if the baby has no connection to him at all, and not a baby he was trying to adopt and that was in his "care" for months!
He looks annoyed and bored and he even yawns at one point 😡
Victim blames by saying how clumsy Preston was 😡
I also noticed that he calls him Preston now and not Elijah - is that a form of saying, well he's nowt to do with me anymore?
God, how did this nasty piece of work manage to fool so many people?!
 
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Tofino

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His responses in the police interview remind me of Savannah Brockhill. Arrogant twat who thinks he’s smart but really isn’t. I expect he may give evidence as he is the type to think he can win over a jury.
 
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Tanley

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I’ve just listened to the latest episode of the podcast and the poo video is even worse than I thought

Not only did JV film Preston having a poo in the bath, he was also in the bath at the same time and lifted Preston’s legs whilst he continued filming him having his poo. This is just too grim 🤢 they have the actual police interview audio from being questioned on this. This is from the transcript , he’s highlighted in orange. his no comment comes with a massive sigh 🙄 View attachment 3987471


There were additional descriptions of some of the videos and photos in episode 3 too which are just indefensible IMO. 33 naked pictures over a 43 minute period

This case is making me wish we still had the death penalty. There is no way they went from an ordinary couple wanting a family, to vile disgusting perverts abusing a baby. It’s not possible, they were already sick in the head and got a baby to live out their fantasies :sick: :sick:
I wonder how their pally SW feels now :mad:
 
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It's interesting you say about complaints because Varley and McGowan did put in a complaint about the foster parents:

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Even just this is so saddening to me 😭 the image of that poor lady crying all day wondering should she have said or done something differently. Desperately wanting the chance to gently hand over the baby she had raised through all the hard young baby times 😩 God love her, I hope she's doing OK
 
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BettyBeau

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I can’t believe that they started the introduction on Thursday 30th March and he was handed over on Monday 3rd April I mean wtf
 
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Lyla001

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My profile picture used to be my dogs - then it was Becky jones - from back in the lock down days when the threads were really quite fun. I had breast cancer and went through a hard time and didn’t post for a long time. And tbh - there’s not many threads I do post on now…. But anyway, I never really got round to changing it. I probably should tbh.
But again- I understand your point of view. There are lots of disappointing sw out there and I can see why you’d make a judgement on me. All I can say is - I work tirelessly for and with the families assigned to me and I’m very good at my job. I’m sorry if your experience hasn’t been positive. ❤
Well, no judgement from the rest of us about your profile picture! Don't stop posting, especially on threads like this,your input as a sw is invaluable. Take no notice x
 
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Ray_of_Sunshine

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The audacity of him sending an article about post-adoption depression!? Have you heard anything like it. How can that be a thing for him! Bear in mind he only took that baby for 4 months before he killed him. So far he comes across as a whiney, self-absorbed arsehole and that’s before we get into the abuse and murder.
 
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I don’t understand this at all. Apart from it being cruel and neglectful. Why was he filming him? A 14 minute video is a huge length of time.

He also contradicts himself - wants to see how Preston was in his own company but then says Preston could see him.

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I'm not sure "He whimpers every time he sees me" is quite the defence he thinks it is tbh.

(Been following this thread and agree with each of you. I hope there is full justice for Preston).
 
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PaddyDomino

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Wow wow wow I can see now what they mean about overly dramatic... how fake can you get absolutely dirty stinking rat!!!!!! He is definitely not a full shilling 🤢🤮
He looks utterly vile, nasty, unhinged and deranged 😡
How in the name of God was he able to hold down a teaching job and be Head of Year etc?!
And be considered suitable to be an adoptive parent?!
I know he's hysterical because Preston has died and he's bricking it but you can see that there is something really really off about him, in my opinion!
 
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This article states that the birth mother was in court weeping during the trial. Whatever her situation and what she has or has not done in life, I do have a huge amount of empathy for the pain she must have felt hearing what had been inflicted on her baby.
 
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Tanley

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And the worst thing is these are all teachers!! Safeguarding children is part of their actual jobs!

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Plus the actual safeguarding lead had to admit in court she said this to Jamie (and I think this was in relation to the elbow fracture so she’s even making excuses for him).

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Jesus wept. What would these teachers have done if a parent had told each of them a different story about how their child broke an arm? Do you think they would have raised a safeguarding concern? All their training would have told them to do so. Yet here they all were, feeling more worried about their colleague than a vulnerable, defenceless baby. They were so concerned about their friend JV that they asked for him to have a welfare check :mad: :mad: I hope none of them can sleep at night.
 
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And this was a nurse - can anyone tell me if this truly is a common injury as I rarely hear of it happening. Don’t see many 13 month old in arm casts either but maybe that’s just me 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Pulled elbow is quite a common injury (where there’s a dislocation) and it’s usually when a toddler is swung or pulled by the hands. My son got it when his brother rived him out of his playpen by his hands. It was a simple dislocation at the elbow and was popped back in when he was examined. The doctor was a bit skepical and took pains to remind me swinging them by their arms isn’t a good idea. When a piece of bone shears off it’s usually a place where a bone attaches to a joint and the joint is stressed to the point of pulling off a piece of bone. I would imagine by rough handling or deliberately/accidentally twisting an arm could do it. The fact Preston was a looked after child, and with inexperienced carers should have warranted further scrutiny of an injury of this nature.
 
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Nelly's mum

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How DO you go from normal gay guy to prolific abuser of a baby in so little time unless you had those proclivities already there.
I believe that proof will come out that they had these fantasies for a long time.

But, my question is, if he was such a shit actor at the hospital where it was transparent he was faking, how was it he fooled those during the adoption process?
I think JV's overdramatic performance at the hospital is interesting and a big giveaway - genuine shock and grief doesn't look like this, but he doesn't have those real emotions, he's under extreme pressure and he is acting how he thinks those emotions would feel. Compare JV's reactions to JMF - JMF is more believable and it looks genuine.

During the adoption process, there is no panic, it is meetings and questions. JV is familiar with meetings with professionals and he knows all about safeguarding - so this is a comfortable environment for him, he knows how to behave and there's no pressure.
 
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maytoseptember

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Is it safe to assume that previous episodes of breathing difficulty are likely to have been due to sexual abuse, and as Preston had recovered in the past, Varley assumed he was going to recover from this one? Except he went into respiratory arrest and then cardiac arrest?
 
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rosieflowers

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I just can't get my head round how something like this escalates from them taking the baby home, becoming frustrated, to then going out of their way to hurting him. And the SA side - surely they must have looked at material like that before becoming parents, so why did they want to become parents at all (the obvious answer being the most horrifying, that this was a deliberate plan).
As an aside does anyone else think the social media trend of complaining about kids and taking and sharing pictures of everything could normalise some abusive behaviours? A school friend of mine once put a photo online of her baby in a state of "poonami" if that wasnt bad enough baby was holding a sign that said something like "I've done a massive shit" i was honestly disgusted by it, who leaves their baby like that to go and make a sign and then post it all online? It's treating children like they are not real people. Babies and children should be respected and their comfort and safety comes first always.
This came to my mind too. The texts calling him abusive names and describing normal baby behaviour - let alone a a poor traumatised baby - as manipulative, spoilt etc - people have normalised this so much to the extent of finding it funny :( it breaks my heart. It seems to be a feature in a lot of child abuse cases. That people think it's okay to talk about and to children this way :( and to film them mocking them. The sleep deprivation stuff really upsets me, it's so heartless. I remember the description of I think Star Hobbs falling asleep in her dinner and being mocked, in a nasty way. How is that ok? What happens to a person that they don't see that happening, or immediately pick the child up, give them a huge hug and take them to bed or get them somewhere comfy?

The bit about his sister being a sleep trainer is a massive red flag to me too. I am completely against sleep training but understand it is peoples' choice. But it should never be a choice for a traumatised baby moving from foster mother to adopters? Particularly a baby who it is known does not sleep well, and has health issues CAUSING poor sleep, like reflux. I am hating on his sister too right now. Sleep training normalises describing babies crying as 'manipulative', spoilt etc, and teaches carers to detach from, ignore or at worst get angry at the poor baby's only way of communicating with the world :( bear in mind my 5 year old still doesnt STTN and my 1 year old wakes probably 4 or 5 times so I do get sleep deprivation as a parent!

I have an 19m old son and I can't get this horrendous case out of my mind. The details are absolutely galling. I can't get my mind off the description of the poor baby helplessly sliding around in a bath for 14 minutes while the accused said nothing to him :( I keep having to look at photos of my own children, to reassure myself how happy we are, what childhood should be, and that they will never ever god willing encounter anything even a tiny percentage as evil or upsetting as this :(
 
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