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YellowTail

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It's interesting you say about complaints because Varley and McGowan did put in a complaint about the foster parents:

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Again a red flag! My friend and her husband were matched to two little girls last spring, it was a long slow introductory process before they were finally placed with them in December. The court still hasn’t signed off on the adoption (my understanding is this can take some time) but the little girls’ foster parents visit them at the home fortnightly, and my friend describes them
as being supportive, loving people who are relieved to see the girls are settling in well. The little girls are both under 5s, they only recently began sleeping through the night, and stopped tantrumming. My friend understood the trauma of the upheaval was expected. I bumped into my friend and girls recently on a walk, and their foster parents were with them. My friend introduced them to me as the girls first family. The foster mum said, you and xx are the parents they were supposed to have, and we will always be here for you all. Preston’s foster family could have been a great support for JV and JMF and more importantly for Preston, if JV and JMF weren’t monsters.
 
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upyernelly

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I’ve been unable to respond to a couple of posts in here - I think there’s a glitch, so apologies for not addressing posters directly.

It is 100% accurate that professionals get treated differently by SS. They do. It’s for a multitude of reasons, the sw is intimidated by them. They make lots of complaints and know how to work the system. They are motivated and educated and know how to intimidate sw. Many sw are underpaid and overworked and would resist the inevitable locking of horns.

A peadophile doesn’t operate in a linear way. They are always a pedophile but the most persuasive predictor is OPPORTUNITY. A pedophile can, not offend for years and then the partner gets a night shift job and it starts.


It’s about power and he - without a doubt enjoyed the attention of the meetings and the vetting process.

He had tried to create a narrative about a problematic child in the same way that groomers and rapists have done for years. Problem child - difficult behaviour- challenging.

The sw without a doubt in my opinion is not fit for practice.
 
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moldwarp

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Footage and photos of Varley being hysterical at the hospital in this article:

That video gives me the ick. A grown man and accused perverted murderer collapsing and sobbing and whining high pitched like a child, Jurassic Park t shirt like a child, flapping his hands like a child, and the busy, professional nurse has to take precious time out of her job to placate him.

crying like a baby all while having allegedly done the things he’s accused of doing and still having the gall to throw this disgusting diva tantrum.

Honestly one of the most viscerally ick things I’ve seen in a while
 
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Emsie

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I do agree that women hold gay men on a pedestal - but I think - well for me anyway - it's because we feel safe around them. They aren't going to abuse us like men do. We assume that they are nurturing and caring like women are.
This, of course, is bias. And we should recognise that bias in order to protect ourselves.
But of course gay people should be allowed to adopt and it shouldn't be assumed that they abused Preston because they are gay. They are abusers, who are also gay.
 
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scantysandwich

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I’ve just listened to the podcast and here’s a summary for anyone who might be interested. I have not spoilered it so please be mindful if you don’t want to see specifics.

JMF went no comment at his police interview, just provided a brief statement confirming details we’ve already heard.

A team of four forensic experts tested stains on the bars of the cot. They also took samples from various items of clothing and sex toys (found under the bed). Two of the experts were contracted by the defence and two by the prosecution. They were tasked with looking at whether there was evidence of sexual activity between the defendants and Preston. The results were inconclusive. Although traces of all of their DNA (JV, JMF, Preston) were found on all items tested, all four experts agreed they could not rule out ordinary cohabitation being the reason for the presence of the DNA, and so it is not conclusive proof of sexual assault.

JV describes the time Preston is playing naked as “free willy time” and attempts to normalise it by saying the foster carer did the same [hmm did she take multiple photos of his genitalia?? I doubt it!]

JV is asked in police interviews about multiple photos of bruising taken on different days dating back to May 2023. He is shown the photos, asked simple questions like where was this photo taken and what caused the bruise. The photos are shown in chronological order.

One photo described Preston in a paddling pool with a dark bruise to the left of his forehead. Then a further photo on another day shows more bruises on each side of his forehead. Then another to the left side of his head a day later. Then 10 days later another bruise to the left side of his forehead and a lump on the right side of his forehead.

JV has “no idea” how these bruises came about or when they “were done”. His responses are coming across as frustrated and very flippant.

10 days later another picture shows Preston in the bath with a bruise to the right hand side of his forehead and another to his nose. Then another day he is pictured with three small bruises above his right eyebrow and two above his left. A week later a bruise on his right buttock. JV offers an explanation for this: Preston fell over in JV’s parents’ garden.

Two dates later another picture with a vertical linear bruise in the middle of his forehead. JV says the picture was taken in the park whe Preston was with JV, JMF and JV’s mum. JV is evasive about which park.

The final photo is Preston in a hot tub. He has two bruises on his forehead, close to his hairline. JV goes no comment on details about who is in the hot tub and where it is.

Now he is asked about Preston’s broken arm (which occurred in late June). He gives a version of events in relation to trying to get Preston to sleep in his cot that night when he was wide awake due to an earlier nap in the car [he seems a bit obsessed with the idea Preston should be on a sleep routine ffs]. Of course it’s Preston’s fault as he snaps his arm away unexpectedly.

Next day they took him to A&E after speaking to the Social Worker and JV’s mum. He pushed for diagnosis of a break. He says the Doctors misdiagnosed initially, it was all down to JV that Preston even got an x-ray 😡. [Side note but wonder if JMF parents were around at all or just JV’s].

The horrible 14 minute video of Preston in a bath with water in it is discussed with JV. Preston is described as crying and whimpering. JV is gaslighting the detective, insisting Preston wasn’t distressed. The whole exercise was to encourage independent play and make Preston more resilient [does he have any trauma informed insight into parenting… I can’t believe what he is saying here 😡] and JV was nearby in the hall/doorway and could see him the whole time.

The police effectively accuse him of taking and possessing indecent and cruel footage of Preston but JV says, no it is the police who are trying to invent this narrative. It’s all innocent and they are the weirdos for even asking these questions.

JV was asked about internal injuries and bruising to Preston’s bladder [I don’t think we have heard much about this before]. JV says he was not aware of the injuries and he didn’t believe they were there. He says the police are wrong, the pathologist was wrong and the doctors at the hospital could have caused the throat, mouth and lip bruises and cuts.

He says the police will be in trouble. He denies it all.

I hate this man with a fierce passion I did not know even existed in me. RIP Preston sweet soul.
 
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NiceChai

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A practicing pathologist of 39 years, never seen some of the injuries presented on a child throughout her entire career and that POS claimed every professional is wrong/has got it wrong.

That poor poor baby.
 
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Lucymyers

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My profile picture used to be my dogs - then it was Becky jones - from back in the lock down days when the threads were really quite fun. I had breast cancer and went through a hard time and didn’t post for a long time. And tbh - there’s not many threads I do post on now…. But anyway, I never really got round to changing it. I probably should tbh.
But again- I understand your point of view. There are lots of disappointing sw out there and I can see why you’d make a judgement on me. All I can say is - I work tirelessly for and with the families assigned to me and I’m very good at my job. I’m sorry if your experience hasn’t been positive. ❤
It says more about her being judgemental than you as a person. Ignore it. She only had an issue when u mentioned u was a sw
 
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Tofino

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I’ve just listened to the latest episode of the podcast and the poo video is even worse than I thought

Not only did JV film Preston having a poo in the bath, he was also in the bath at the same time and lifted Preston’s legs whilst he continued filming him having his poo. This is just too grim 🤢 they have the actual police interview audio from being questioned on this. This is from the transcript , he’s highlighted in orange. his no comment comes with a massive sigh 🙄
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There were additional descriptions of some of the videos and photos in episode 3 too which are just indefensible IMO. 33 naked pictures over a 43 minute period

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Jen667

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The problem with social work is that, understandably, we only hear about the disasters. When it goes horribly wrong and a child dies it's horrific and it's only right that the profession is scrutinised and those that failed to do their jobs are investigated.

What we don't hear about, are all the times social services get it right and intervene to remove children from dangerous situations and save their lives. These occasions will massively outweigh the other.
 
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Lucymyers

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I only hope that the social worker who was sending love heart emojis has been sacked. She was able to be manipulated by the pair if them. And as for sending heart emojis...not professional at all
 
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Tanley

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This poor baby seemed to be healthy, happy and thriving while with his foster family.
Yet four short months after being given to the adopters, he had been terribly abused and finally murdered.
It goes without saying that his abusers are sick, vile, disgusting individuals :mad::sick:
But I don’t understand why more alarm bells weren’t ringing for poor Preston. A child not previously known as ‘accident prone’ or ‘bruises easily’ is suddenly appearing at A&E on a regular basis. The foster mother reported that visits were being cancelled at short notice, or made as difficult as possible. This was a new home situation with inexperienced ‘carers’, so why weren’t they under closer supervision from the authorities?
Sadly, I also believe that this couple obtained a baby for the purposes of abuse. There is no way they adopted him with the intention of giving him a loving and secure upbringing, they wanted him for one reason only :mad::cry:
Only someone already deviant and twisted could look at a baby and do what they clearly did to him.
My heart breaks for little Preston and the life he didn’t get.
 
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moldwarp

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Way to completely misconstrue what I said, well done
I understood what you were saying. For context my younger son is gay but not “gay acting” if that makes sense. He’s said many times that when he was in his late teens and early 20s at college/starting out working, the way his female peers treated him before and after finding out he’s gay varied immensely. After finding out he was gay they’d immediately start talking to him more as they would to female friends, confiding in him more, even assuming he’d be interested in talking about fashion and skincare etc (he’s not the slightest bit interested in fashion and skincare lol, I mean he’s very handsome but he’s just not interested in that stuff).

It’s an interesting cultural phenomenon, in that gay men in our culture ar kind of assumed to be a “different class” of man, sort of semi-female? It’s an oddly homophobic construct, and it’s quite specific to our culture. If you look at the evidence of how homosexual behaviour occurred in Ancient Greece, especially Sparta which is where we have the best evidence, it mostly occurred in a military context and the men involved had wives too, we don’t know for sure how they saw it but they definitely weren’t doing anything feminine, lol. They’d have sex and then go out and massacre thousands of Persians.

So, yes, I find it strange. Straight or gay, a man is still a man. In fact one could argue (taking the war loving Spartans) that being gay and mostly in male only society would make you be more masculine, not less. Because there’s no women around with their more calming and practical approach to life.

I do think a lot of people in modern western culture fall into this idea that gay men are less prone to violence because they’re gay and that somehow reduces the natural evolutionary effects of testosterone. I don’t think that’s true at all. Men are men and testosterone is one hell of a drug. It’s such a weird, false, homophobic and misandrist way of looking at things lol

ETA @TheMiceInTheShed said it better !!
 
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How the fuck did they think that they could pass it off as an accidental bath drowning when that is so far from the cause of death? I can only think they were hoping there’d be no post-mortam. The description of Varley then going over to try and give him mouth to mouth when he’d already been pronounced dead in the hospital was, I fear, a last ditch attempt to transfer explainable DNA onto his mouth.
 
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stickytoffeepud

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Footage and photos of Varley being hysterical at the hospital in this article:

Umm. I’m speechless.

On the day my Dad died I wasn’t told how serious things were, just that I needed to get to the hospital. I wasn’t told shown to his bed, went round the curtain and saw him lying there. A doctor came up and told me he was dying.

On the day of his funeral I found out I was pregnant. 3 months after that I was told my baby had a condition incompatible with life and I had to deliver her.

At no point did I collapse on the floor and scream hysterically. I wasn’t told in floods of tears, heartbroken beyond belief but did not act like that. Maybe it’s just not my way, maybe some people do react like that in dire situations. There’s just something about watching that video that makes my skin crawl, maybe it’s because I know what he’s accused of but I literally shuddered!
 
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Shinythings

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You are a social worker with becky jones as your profile picture.... says alot about the type of person you are aswell. Sorry but all social in my eyes are just as bad, liars and manipulators ! They need to be held accountable.
There's many excellent SW out there doing unimaginably hard work. There are also some bad eggs, like any profession. I imagine there are also a lot of people who think negatively of them because they got their child taken 'for no reason' which is inevitably bollocks. You don't hear about the ones doing an amazing job because they aren't newsworthy.

I'm not a social worker, to be clear.
 
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stickytoffeepud

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Is anyone else finding this harrowing to read and feels like they should stop reading yet somehow feels compelled to carry on?

that poor poor boy
 
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Tofino

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There’s just no emotion in his voice. It’s loud, but no emotion. That’s why it comes across performative in addition to the grand theatrics of falling to the floor.
 
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LouBug19

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Sorry if this has been said before but I can't believe the audacity of Jamie blaming the foster parents by saying they didn't pick up on any conditions. First of all they did a fantastic job by looking after him, noticing his milk allergies, taking him to appointments etc but also there were no conditions to spot. He was a healthy happy child before he went to live with those monsters.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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Hideous for the jury but they have to think about the little boy. Every single adult that poor child encountered let him down, it's their chance to get something right for him.
Not his foster parents!

But his foster mother was brushed aside when she tried to raise the alarm. I'll bet she and her husband are destroyed by this, all of the dreadful details. It's unbearable for us - that woman held him and loved him and comfort him for the best part of a year, and let him go to a couple she thought would do the same. This must have torn the heart out of her.
 
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LetticeProtheroe

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I am sadly not surprised they were allowed to adopt. Most areas of the country are lacking adopters and social services are at breaking point.

I was turned down for adoption as a single woman. Their main concerns where that I didn't have enough savings and that I would never be as good as a couple. I had a baby alone instead, even though I would have preferred to adopt. My child is loved, thriving, safe and a pleasure.

Two ex friends adopted a few years ago and were matched with 2 children even before they had been approved as adopters. Both had professional jobs, including one a teacher. And they were seen as the perfect adopters. Little did social services know that their relationship was already on the rocks, that both lacked basic childcare skills and neither actually any common sense. The parents split up within a year and the kids have had a very chaotic life since.

I think the system does allow middle class adopters to appear to be the superior choice. That money will give a child a better life even if the poorer adopters might offer more love and stability.

This is probably due to the demographic of some social workers and bias. This plays out in domestic violence when middle class men are less likely to be seen as abusers and that abuse only happens in working class homes.
 
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