Preston Davey Trial

[AladdinSane]

I wasnt going to follow this trial. It has affected me which doesn't usually happen. However, I keep thinking Preston had no choice. He was abused and killed and this is his story. He deserves it to be heard. And these two, if they are guilty, don't deserve to see the light of day again

 

[stickytoffeepud]

I have a physical disability which means I have very little use of my left arm and hand. When my son was around 6 months old he rolled off the middle of my bed in the split second I had my back turned. Until that point I wasn’t aware he could roll!

We took him to hospital, he was fine but I was asked over and over again what happened. Health visitor appointments were increased and I had a social worker visit me at home. I had PND at the time and was terrified my son would be removed from my care and I did feel judged. I felt like I was being seen as an unfit parent due to being disabled.

it was my mother in law saying ‘they’re just making sure he’s safe’ that pulled me out of that mindset. I wish so much they’d applied the same level of caution to Preston

 

[YellowTail]

Jesus wept. What would these teachers have done if a parent had told each of them a different story about how their child broke an arm? Do you think they would have raised a safeguarding concern? All their training would have told them to do so. Yet here they all were, feeling more worried about their colleague than a vulnerable, defenceless baby. They actually asked for their friend Jamie to have a welfare check I hope none of them can sleep at night.

It is terrifying that his professional colleagues, who obviously discussed Preston’s injury amongst themselves to have realised that he told each of them a different story, didn’t individually and jointly raise a self guarding concern. Surely when they each realised that they’d heard a different reason, they talked about it being concerning/worrying/weird/potentially a lie?

Did one of them speak to the head and ask them to check on JV’s welfare, or was that the course of action the head took?

It is unfathomable that the outcome was a welfare check on JV. I am concerned that there are pupils at that school who may have been harmed/at risk of harm from their caregivers, for whom help hasn’t been sought.

What did JV say to the head during the welfare check? Did he lie, or did he repeat his dark thoughts, and the head listened, reassured and then left, check over, no further action?

Preston hadn’t been adopted by the pedals, he was STILL a supposedly looked after child. Who was actually looking out for him!

 

[YellowTail]

JV and JMF made it really difficult for the foster parents to meet up with Preston and the last ever meeting they had with him, JV and JMF insisted it be at half six in the morning and poor Preston seemed blank and they were very worried afterwards

'I felt like they were hiding him from me' - Foster mum tells court about adoption

Visibly upset and crying on the stand, Sandra Cooper, who has fostered children for 27 years and for whom 13-month-old baby Preston Davey was her 43rd foster child described the tot as being an engaging, happy and content baby.

www.lep.co.uk

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I’ve not seen this before. This is terrible. Surely the social worker would have wondered (at least) if it was in Preston’s best interests to be visited at 6.30 am, not to mention the other looked after children’s interests. The 6.30 am appointment time imposed on the foster parents should have raised alarm bells. Even if Preston was an early riser, surely his morning wake up routine wouldn’t have been completed by that time? Surely, if he was up early enough to have completed his wake up routine, he’d have needed a nap around 8 am. The foster family could have come after that when he was refreshed and could enjoy the visit. How awful for the other vulnerable children, whose sleep needs were disregarded. I’m not pointing fingers at the foster parents here, I realise JV and JMF were calling the shots here and the foster parents had two choice - see him at that time, or they wouldn’t see him at all. How were they allowed to control everyone with what THEY wanted?

 

[nothinonyou]

She said she had never seen injuries to a babies throat like that... Really puts in perspective what was done is actually really rare and unusual even for child abusers

 

[Lolarose1994]

Hidden for those who don’t want to read, it was mentioned in court on 27/04 the reason the prosecution believe the picture is indecent and sexual abuse.

The picture of Preston deliberately positioned and photographed slumped over the bars of the cot whilst asleep show liquid dripping from his mouth. Forensic swabs taken from the bars of the cot examined, stains consistent with the presence of fluid containing saliva, the microscopic characteristics of a sperm cell and a mixed DNA result that could have originated from cells from Preston and Mr McGowan-Fazackerly were found on that swab.

 

[sebanna]

The evidence is taking a nasty turn, with the pathologist saying Preston was likely gripped and slapped. Poor baby. The video released of him bouncing to Miss Rachel is heart breaking shows how little and innocent he was.

 

[nothinonyou]

I’ve not seen this before. This is terrible. Surely the social worker would have wondered (at least) if it was in Preston’s best interests to be visited at 6.30 am, not to mention the other looked after children’s interests. The 6.30 am appointment time imposed on the foster parents should have raised alarm bells. Even if Preston was an early riser, surely his morning wake up routine wouldn’t have been completed by that time? Surely, if he was up early enough to have completed his wake up routine, he’d have needed a nap around 8 am. The foster family could have come after that when he was refreshed and could enjoy the visit. How awful for the other vulnerable children, whose sleep needs were disregarded. I’m not pointing fingers at the foster parents here, I realise JV and JMF were calling the shots here and the foster parents had two choice - see him at that time, or they wouldn’t see him at all. How were they allowed to control everyone with what THEY wanted?

I think the ridiculously early time is
1. Hoping the foster parents cancel
2. If Preston is unwell the foster parents will put it down to it being ridiculously early and
3. Their way of saying "I really don't want this meeting to happen so I'll put it at a ridiculous time and hopefully you'll get the message".

 

[GirlWithTheBoomMic]

I don’t understand this at all. Apart from it being cruel and neglectful. Why was he filming him? A 14 minute video is a huge length of time.

He also contradicts himself - wants to see how Preston was in his own company but then says Preston could see him.

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I'm not sure "He whimpers every time he sees me" is quite the defence he thinks it is tbh.

(Been following this thread and agree with each of you. I hope there is full justice for Preston).

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Footage and photos of Varley being hysterical at the hospital in this article:

Moment teacher accused of 'murdering baby' wailed 'it's my fault'

Jamie Varley, 37, collapsed to the floor and pleaded with hospital doctors to 'kill me' after being told 13-month-old Preston Davey was not going to survive.

www.dailymail.com

Attention-seeking twat!

"Never mind the baby, I'm the important one here! Comfort ME!!!"

 

[teabob]

I can't read details. It's just too horrific. I hope that pair never see daylight outside a jail again. That is all.

I hope they get the Ian (Watkins and Huntley) treatment in prison. It’s no less than what they doled out to that precious wee boy

I was watching an American true crime thing recently. A 6 year old girl was molested by a neighbour at a pool party. He lured her into a bedroom, showed her indecent images of him and another child on his phone and SA’d her. She told her mum when she went home who reported it. His DNA was found on her body and also images on his devices. He got 60 years and will serve every single one. It should be mandatory full life sentences for those who inflict this horror on innocent children

 

[PaddyDomino]

Wow wow wow I can see now what they mean about overly dramatic... how fake can you get absolutely dirty stinking rat!!!!!! He is definitely not a full shilling

He looks utterly vile, nasty, unhinged and deranged
How in the name of God was he able to hold down a teaching job and be Head of Year etc?!
And be considered suitable to be an adoptive parent?!
I know he's hysterical because Preston has died and he's bricking it but you can see that there is something really really off about him, in my opinion!

 

[Orangesatsuma]

I am finding this all really hard to read but I want to see justice served for baby Preston.

Just to clear up one point - to be a head of year and safeguarding lead he would need some training and a DBS check, that's it. Having a DBS check only shows that the person doesn't have a criminal record, as far as I'm aware. He could still have been a monster.

 

[catsandsoup]

How bizarre to judge someone in their professional role because of a profile picture.

Especially all this 'There's no good social worker!' stuff in a thread about two sexually abusive murderers. I hope heads do roll if social workers have been swayed too easily, its a job that calls for some cynicism unfortunately; but that poster sounds far more offended by someone being a social worker than Preston's death. If social workers do nothing else, the fear of them is what keeps some people from harming their kids (and partners) - as we saw in lockdown, some very abusive people felt safe venting their rage when social worker and police were restricted.

 

[maytoseptember]

Yes I felt quite strongly about the fact that some people were adamant in their belief that gay men shouldn't be able to adopt and that gay men pose more of a risk to children than heterosexual couples.

Just to clarify (I can only speak for myself but others may agree) that homosexuality isn’t really a factor in this, only in that if males find themselves applying to adopt with no mother figure on the scene, they are invariably a gay couple. I am uneasy about men adopting: gay, straight, single or couples. I believe that men and women are fundamentally different and men (like their male mammal counterparts in the animal kingdom) don’t have the same nurturing instincts and drives as women.

Not only does this make men a suboptimal prospect when it comes to adopting children, it goes some way to explaining why JV and JFM weren’t flagged as potential abusers despite multiple A&E visits (including a broken arm) in a very short space of time. People expected them to be inept because they were men.

 

[ScottishMammy92]

Saw some of the updates today. My son is only 16 weeks old and I absolutely sobbed reading them and had to stop.

That poor little baby. He deserved a loving home and family and the system failed him terribly. His poor foster mother. She had him from weeks old and even though she knew it wouldnt be permanent the bond that forms on those quiet night feeds is for life. I cannot imagine how broken she must feel knowing she tried to raise alarms and was ignored. That said I dont believe anyone could have imagined the true horrors they subjected him to.

I cant follow the day to day updates anymore its just too heartbreaking. But I really hope they throw everything at both of them. Some people dont deserve the air they breathe.

Sweet boy I cant stop thinking about him every time I look at my baby. Its just absolutely heartbreaking 🤍

 

[ClaraPlum]

Doctors are not stupid!

Unfortunately, through my work alongside medical professionals and social services, I’ve seen more than my fair share of NAI (non accidental injuries). The number of parents or guardians who believe they can talk their way out of these situations, convinced they’re far cleverer than everyone else, is staggering.

The reality is that doctors know exactly what typical childhood injuries look like. Normal bruises tend to appear over bony areas such as knees, elbows, and shins. Bruising to the abdomen, chest, buttocks, or other soft tissue areas is immediately concerning. Likewise, any bruising on a non mobile baby is a major red flag.

I remember one particularly distressing case in which a father had bitten his baby. His explanation was that the baby had somehow rolled onto him while his mouth was open. Aside from the absurdity of that claim, the injury itself told a very different story. If such an accident had occurred, the mark would likely have been faint and relatively straight, with little to no bruising or skin damage. Instead, the baby had deep, curved indentations and significant bruising, showing that the jaw had clamped down with enough force for the back teeth to leave clear impressions. His sheer arrogance was breathtaking. Thankfully baby is no longer in his care.

 

[watermelonvapes]

And I’ve just read this part which I haven’t seen before:
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How on earth this type of spitefulness didn’t raise alarm bells I don’t know. I am honestly so concerned by the sheer amount of bloody professionals who were blinded by these two or did see the warning signs but chose not to act on them.

It puts a whole new irony on the social worker saying it was bringing people together who never would have ordinarily met that lady who seems to have dedicated her life to minding babies never deserved to cross paths with those two demonic creatures before we even mention poor Preston. God there's no punishment that'd be enough for them in my eyes

 

[rosieflowers]

I just can't get my head round how something like this escalates from them taking the baby home, becoming frustrated, to then going out of their way to hurting him. And the SA side - surely they must have looked at material like that before becoming parents, so why did they want to become parents at all (the obvious answer being the most horrifying, that this was a deliberate plan).
As an aside does anyone else think the social media trend of complaining about kids and taking and sharing pictures of everything could normalise some abusive behaviours? A school friend of mine once put a photo online of her baby in a state of "poonami" if that wasnt bad enough baby was holding a sign that said something like "I've done a massive shit" i was honestly disgusted by it, who leaves their baby like that to go and make a sign and then post it all online? It's treating children like they are not real people. Babies and children should be respected and their comfort and safety comes first always.

This came to my mind too. The texts calling him abusive names and describing normal baby behaviour - let alone a a poor traumatised baby - as manipulative, spoilt etc - people have normalised this so much to the extent of finding it funny it breaks my heart. It seems to be a feature in a lot of child abuse cases. That people think it's okay to talk about and to children this way and to film them mocking them. The sleep deprivation stuff really upsets me, it's so heartless. I remember the description of I think Star Hobbs falling asleep in her dinner and being mocked, in a nasty way. How is that ok? What happens to a person that they don't see that happening, or immediately pick the child up, give them a huge hug and take them to bed or get them somewhere comfy?

The bit about his sister being a sleep trainer is a massive red flag to me too. I am completely against sleep training but understand it is peoples' choice. But it should never be a choice for a traumatised baby moving from foster mother to adopters? Particularly a baby who it is known does not sleep well, and has health issues CAUSING poor sleep, like reflux. I am hating on his sister too right now. Sleep training normalises describing babies crying as 'manipulative', spoilt etc, and teaches carers to detach from, ignore or at worst get angry at the poor baby's only way of communicating with the world bear in mind my 5 year old still doesnt STTN and my 1 year old wakes probably 4 or 5 times so I do get sleep deprivation as a parent!

I have an 19m old son and I can't get this horrendous case out of my mind. The details are absolutely galling. I can't get my mind off the description of the poor baby helplessly sliding around in a bath for 14 minutes while the accused said nothing to him I keep having to look at photos of my own children, to reassure myself how happy we are, what childhood should be, and that they will never ever god willing encounter anything even a tiny percentage as evil or upsetting as this

 

[Shinythings]

This case upsets me so much more than the Letby one. Awful as that was and being multiple babies but I think it's this one because Preston was old enough to know fear and that something was wrong. The babies in Letbys case were in the nicest way, so young and small they wouldn't have a had a clue what was going on and the abuse (horrific as it was) wasn't sustained. That's not to diminish what she did in any way, obviously. She's a monster. He would have known he was in danger, he would have felt scared, he would have been so confused coming from a loving family who he trusted to this.

I just can't. And yet I feel I have to follow this through to see justice done for him and all the other Preston's out there.