Preston Davey Trial

[LouBug19]

Sorry if I’ve missed this but what was their reason for the fractured arm at the hospital? I’m as shocked and saddened by this case as everyone else reading this. He’s been in my thought everyday. Sending my love to everyone following this thread as it’s a hard read.

They kept changing their story to different people, jamie said he went to pick him up in his cot but his arm was stuck somewhere then it was something to do with a toy box causing his injury. There were different reasons he kept saying like it was an accident. When he clearly was rough handling him and god knows what else. It isn't worth thinking about.

Seems he had a lot of contempt towards the foster mum in particular blaming her for “spoiling” Preston.

He really did, she wanted a relationship with Preston after he was adopted but they did everything possible to ensure that it didn't happen.

 

[JCMSadie]

They kept changing their story to different people, jamie said he went to pick him up in his cot but his arm was stuck somewhere then it was something to do with a toy box causing his injury. There were different reasons he kept saying like it was an accident.

I think the toy box was the explanation for the head bruises. But yeah, there were different stories about the arm - first he dropped Preston when putting him in the cot, then it was his arm got caught in the bars when picking him up, I think there was something about him twisting when being picked up, and then one doctor even said he was told it was to do with the car seat.

 

[flippinpancakes]

I think the toy box was the explanation for the head bruises. But yeah, there were different stories about the arm - first he dropped Preston when putting him in the cot, then it was his arm got caught in the bars when picking him up, I think there was something about him twisting when being picked up, and then one doctor even said he was told it was to do with the car seat.

That’s shocking that it wasn’t flagged up as a non accidental injury

 

[YellowTail]

The amount of baths Preston had was an immediate red flag to me and I believe it was easy access to abuse.
Maybe I'm a grub but I wouldn't bath my baby again if I'd already done it and he was sick. He wasn't a newborn, i would just sit him on my lap and clean him from the sink. 2x baths per day is a lot of effort when you're knackered caring for a baby all day.

Ps. We had to give our social media handles when we adopted. I don't know what you can find out from them, but it does seem like some checks are done.

The excessive baths are definitely a red flag Although I had to ‘jet wash’ each of my 4 on occasions after nappy poonamis, they simply had had a flannel wash in the morning, flannel face and hand wash after meals and one lovely bubble bath each evening before bed. I didn’t wash their hair daily. It isn’t good or necessary for young skin to be bathed so frequently. Poor little Preston, no wonder he hated baths.

 

[PaddyDomino]

I’ve been unable to respond to a couple of posts in here - I think there’s a glitch, so apologies for not addressing posters directly.

It is 100% accurate that professionals get treated differently by SS. They do. It’s for a multitude of reasons, the sw is intimidated by them. They make lots of complaints and know how to work the system. They are motivated and educated and know how to intimidate sw. Many sw are underpaid and overworked and would resist the inevitable locking of horns.

A peadophile doesn’t operate in a linear way. They are always a pedophile but the most persuasive predictor is OPPORTUNITY. A pedophile can, not offend for years and then the partner gets a night shift job and it starts.


It’s about power and he - without a doubt enjoyed the attention of the meetings and the vetting process.

He had tried to create a narrative about a problematic child in the same way that groomers and rapists have done for years. Problem child - difficult behaviour- challenging.

The sw without a doubt in my opinion is not fit for practice.

It's interesting you say about complaints because Varley and McGowan did put in a complaint about the foster parents:

 

[YellowTail]

Sorry if I’ve missed this but what was their reason for the fractured arm at the hospital? I’m as shocked and saddened by this case as everyone else reading this. He’s been in my thought everyday. Sending my love to everyone following this thread as it’s a hard read.

The reason has changed more than once. If I’ve remembered correctly JV told three different reasons for the fracture to different colleagues. One colleague raised a welfare concern. No, not about Preston, but about JV’s welfare! Why no one thought to raise a concern about the stability of this deregulated lunatic who expressed ideation about drowning Preston “without a plan to act on it” is another concerning feature of this tragedy.

 

[stardust1]

I can’t stop thinking about poor PrestonHas his biological Mum said anything publicly?

 

[YellowTail]

It's interesting you say about complaints because Varley and McGowan did put in a complaint about the foster parents:

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Again a red flag! My friend and her husband were matched to two little girls last spring, it was a long slow introductory process before they were finally placed with them in December. The court still hasn’t signed off on the adoption (my understanding is this can take some time) but the little girls’ foster parents visit them at the home fortnightly, and my friend describes them
as being supportive, loving people who are relieved to see the girls are settling in well. The little girls are both under 5s, they only recently began sleeping through the night, and stopped tantrumming. My friend understood the trauma of the upheaval was expected. I bumped into my friend and girls recently on a walk, and their foster parents were with them. My friend introduced them to me as the girls first family. The foster mum said, you and xx are the parents they were supposed to have, and we will always be here for you all. Preston’s foster family could have been a great support for JV and JMF and more importantly for Preston, if JV and JMF weren’t monsters.

 

[Snookie]

I can’t stop thinking about poor PrestonHas his biological Mum said anything publicly?

I’m the same. I don’t think any case has shook me quite as bad as this has. That poor baby living with those monsters he must have been so frightened going from a loving home with his foster family to that hell hole. I’m so so sorry he had to go through that suffering.

 

[PaddyDomino]

Again a red flag! My friend and her husband were matched to two little girls last spring, it was a long slow introductory process before they were finally placed with them in December. The court still hasn’t signed off on the adoption (my understanding is this can take some time) but the little girls’ foster parents visit them at the home fortnightly, and my friend describes them
as being supportive, loving people who are relieved to see the girls are settling in well. The little girls are both under 5s, they only recently began sleeping through the night, and stopped tantrumming. My friend understood the trauma of the upheaval was expected. I bumped into my friend and girls recently on a walk, and their foster parents were with them. My friend introduced them to me as the girls first family. The foster mum said, you and xx are the parents they were supposed to have, and we will always be here for you all. Preston’s foster family could have been a great support for JV and JMF and more importantly for Preston, if JV and JMF weren’t monsters.

JV and JMF made it really difficult for the foster parents to meet up with Preston and the last ever meeting they had with him, JV and JMF insisted it be at half six in the morning and poor Preston seemed blank and they were very worried afterwards

'I felt like they were hiding him from me' - Foster mum tells court about adoption

Visibly upset and crying on the stand, Sandra Cooper, who has fostered children for 27 years and for whom 13-month-old baby Preston Davey was her 43rd foster child described the tot as being an engaging, happy and content baby.

www.lep.co.uk

 

[MissTeddy]

I can’t stop thinking about poor PrestonHas his biological Mum said anything publicly?

If the bio mum is we believe her to be I would imagine she’s been strongly advised to keep quiet. However the press will know and Im sure if there is a conviction all of Preston’s tragic story will be told.

 

[Tofino]

The reason has changed more than once. If I’ve remembered correctly JV told three different reasons for the fracture to different colleagues. One colleague raised a welfare concern. No, not about Preston, but about JV’s welfare! Why no one thought to raise a concern about the stability of this deregulated lunatic who expressed ideation about drowning Preston “without a plan to act on it” is another concerning feature of this tragedy.

And the worst thing is these are all teachers!! Safeguarding children is part of their actual jobs!

This was it:

Plus the actual safeguarding lead had to admit in court she said this to Jamie (and I think this was in relation to the elbow fracture so she’s even making excuses for him).

 

[Tofino]

And this was a nurse - can anyone tell me if this truly is a common injury as I rarely hear of it happening. Don’t see many 13 month old in arm casts either but maybe that’s just me

 

[Nelly's mum]

When my daughter was younger and nearly walking she fell and hit her head on the dining room chair. A complete accident and we were made to feel like we had hurt her. I know the hospital were only doing their job in our case but how has that hospital not raised all her injuries and frequent visits. 3 in 3 months!!!
The staff on them shifts should also be investigated!

When my son was around 4.5months he managed to crawl over stuff and pull a cup of tea over that had been left within his reach and it burned his wrist. It was my fault, I was careless and underestimated his curiosity and determination.

I took him straight to hospital - the staff were dubious that he could crawl, with hindsight he was just getting started and he was walking before he was 9months old.

I remember seeing 'mum upset' written on his medical notes - I realised I was being observed to see if my account of his injury appeared genuine, quite right too, I had nothing to hide.
I was so upset and absolutely mortified, luckily he healed up quickly within a week or two. I'm surprised concerns were not raised by Preston's repeated hospital visits

 

[SamPam]

And this was a nurse - can anyone tell me if this truly is a common injury as I rarely hear of it happening. Don’t see many 13 month old in arm casts either but maybe that’s just me

I've never seen a baby in a cast in 46 years, or know anyone whose baby has had a fractured arm. I'm honestly amazed a non-walking baby presenting with an arm injury like that wouldn't be investigated further, social services involvement or not.

 

[Nelly's mum]

Why is it unrealistic? There is intense vetting and security checks on people wanting to join the police. I believe that includes checking their digital footprints. I think the same should apply to anyone wanting to adopt as a minimum. It’s intrusive but necessary

A few reasons why it is unrealistic, none of which are going to be popular on the thread;
• it is subjecting adopters/fosterers differently to other parents, this is discrimination
• the staff hours and cost for police/social services/whoever to trawl through someone's devices, the criminal justice system can barely function with digital scrutiny as it is
• people have the human right to privacy, there is no legal framework to demand that people who are not charged with a crime or under suspicion of a crime, hand over their devices to be checked
• how could police/social services/whoever be sure the person had handed over all their devices? You can't search people houses for no reason, so they could have other devices they haven't handed over

This is just off the top of my head, I'm no legal
.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

It's interesting you say about complaints because Varley and McGowan did put in a complaint about the foster parents:

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That poor woman must be broken, knowing what happened to poor little Preston. I hope she doesn't blame herself - it seems she did everything she could to raise awareness that there was something terrible going wrong, even though she can't possibly have imagined how bad it was.

My heart goes out to her and her husband.

 

[lauren96111]

When my son was around 4.5months he managed to crawl over stuff and pull a cup of tea over that had been left within his reach and it burned his wrist. It was my fault, I was careless and underestimated his curiosity and determination.

I took him straight to hospital - the staff were dubious that he could crawl, with hindsight he was just getting started and he was walking before he was 9months old.

I remember seeing 'mum upset' written on his medical notes - I realised I was being observed to see if my account of his injury appeared genuine, quite right too, I had nothing to hide.
I was so upset and absolutely mortified, luckily he healed up quickly within a week or two. I'm surprised concerns were not raised by Preston's repeated hospital visits

It’s awful isn’t it but genuine parents with nothing to hide would be glad staff were doing their job once the upset had subsided. I was so upset in the hospital thinking I was being judged but thinking back now I’m glad they have a protocol. I just don’t understand how Blackpool hospital did nothing.

 

[Orangesatsuma]

This article states that the birth mother was in court weeping during the trial. Whatever her situation and what she has or has not done in life, I do have a huge amount of empathy for the pain she must have felt hearing what had been inflicted on her baby.

 

[YellowTail]

JV and JMF made it really difficult for the foster parents to meet up with Preston and the last ever meeting they had with him, JV and JMF insisted it be at half six in the morning and poor Preston seemed blank and they were very worried afterwards

'I felt like they were hiding him from me' - Foster mum tells court about adoption

Visibly upset and crying on the stand, Sandra Cooper, who has fostered children for 27 years and for whom 13-month-old baby Preston Davey was her 43rd foster child described the tot as being an engaging, happy and content baby.

www.lep.co.uk

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I’ve not seen this before. This is terrible. Surely the social worker would have wondered (at least) if it was in Preston’s best interests to be visited at 6.30 am, not to mention the other looked after children’s interests. The 6.30 am appointment time imposed on the foster parents should have raised alarm bells. Even if Preston was an early riser, surely his morning wake up routine wouldn’t have been completed by that time? Surely, if he was up early enough to have completed his wake up routine, he’d have needed a nap around 8 am. The foster family could have come after that when he was refreshed and could enjoy the visit. How awful for the other vulnerable children, whose sleep needs were disregarded. I’m not pointing fingers at the foster parents here, I realise JV and JMF were calling the shots here and the foster parents had two choice - see him at that time, or they wouldn’t see him at all. How were they allowed to control everyone with what THEY wanted?