Preston Davey Trial

[PoppyKJ]

That pacing looks like panic at being caught out, not sadness at poor little Preston losing his precious life.

 

[PoppyKJ]

This is a harrowing case, that poor little boy deserved so much better.
Even down to the sister being a ‘sleep trainer’ - basically leaving a traumatised baby to cry so they give up & become more traumatised.

 

[Tanley]

How can these two specimens be pleading not guilty? What on earth is their defence going to be? There is physical evidence, video evidence, photographic evidence and god knows what else, so how do they plan to prove that none of it was them
I feel sick to my stomach at what I’ve already read of this case, so many people would have loved, nurtured and protected this precious baby.
But instead he was given to two monsters

 

[Happytobedivorced]

I can’t actually believe what I’m reading tbh. The levels of depravity and cruelty are off the scale.

 

[Padparadascha]

I think JV's overdramatic performance at the hospital is interesting and a big giveaway - genuine shock and grief doesn't look like this, but he doesn't have those real emotions, he's under extreme pressure and he is acting how he thinks those emotions would feel. Compare JV's reactions to JMF - JMF is more believable and it looks genuine.

During the adoption process, there is no panic, it is meetings and questions. JV is familiar with meetings with professionals and he knows all about safeguarding - so this is a comfortable environment for him, he knows how to behave and there's no pressure.

Yes, the hospital performance wasnt one he practised beforehand. John seems more aware that this is something they cant smoothly explain away. That hes facing into an investigation where every facet of his private life will be minutely pored over, and he's facing significant prison time. Its grief all right, but not for Preston.

JV seems to think his fake wailing will fool the hospital into not alerting the authorities. He is used to getting attention and sympathy when he goes all dramatic and it worked up to this point, classic DARVO moves.

He strikes me as someone who would be a nightmare to work with. One of those office queens who bully and gossip and when pulled in by HR go all wide eyed and position themselves as the victim of the drama they caused.

But this...this isnt a prom gone gong that he can wail his way out of.

 

[Tofino]

‘I will fight you ’til the day I die’ - Teacher accused of baby murder warns police

37-year-old ex-South Shore Academy teacher told officers: “I have not done it. I will fight you ’til the day I die,” as he was questioned over the death of little Preston.

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

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“Unlike you I don’t think about his genitals 24/7”

I would say his phone suggests otherwise.

 

[Housework Fairy]

These sick couples keep finding one another don't they, and it's always a child that pays. RIP Preston.

 

[sebanna]

This has absolutely horrified me. Wtf did they do to this poor boy.

It's a chilling case because on the surface the defendants look like well meaning people that are trustworthy. The witness statements of their friends and colleagues show they believed Preston to be well looked after but the parents to be over whelmed however the forensic evidence paints a completely different story - the horrors they submitted that poor baby boy to, It has nothing to be do with a sleep deprived parents suddenly snapping they are deliberate cruel acts.

It's scary because these men had so much trust and responsibility given to them, yet underneath they were cruel.

 

[MaryLou32]

but this case seems to illustrate massively a case where it wasnt suitable for this gay couple to adopt a tiny baby, and where massive mistakes seem to have been made placing this child with this family. Every other aspect of this case will be considered, so what is so wrong in considering the obvious?

They weren't suitable because they are monsters, abusers, animals. Not because they are gay. Their sexuality has nothing to do with it.

do doubt very much if a lesbian pair, would even dream of contemplating any kind of SA on a baby, so maybe the checks for men do need to be a bit more comprehensive to ensure this kind of thing never happens again.

You can doubt it, but you'd be wrong. All people, male, female, gay and straight are capable of and have committed horrendous acts of abuse.

Maybe the checks for all adoptive parents need to be more comprehensive and as well as, the follow up and monitoring for signs of red flags

 

[SamPam]

Does make you wonder if they've been mentioned in her statement for a reason

 

[MaineCoonMama]

It's a horrible case. I did listen to The Trial episode before because as awful and heartbreaking as it is that poor baby deserves to have his story heard.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

Not sure who else on this thread followed the Sara Sharif trial but she had bite marks on her body too. In that case they were there still when she died and the accused were asked to provide dental impressions. I wonder if that will be the case here or if the bruising on the photo isn't clear enough to do a comparison unless one of them has very distinctive teeth.
This is so depraved. They're not animals because although animals can kill their young they don't abuse them like this. This is unfortunately a very depraved human act and I wish this little boy had never ever met them. His poor foster carers. How dare JV cast aspersions on her ability to care for a baby

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Do they have to be sure of this, or is it sufficient to have planned to commit an assault that has the probability to kill?

I suppose im thinking of the sentences the killers of Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo- Hughes got. I doubt they actively planned murder, but their deliberate and intentional actions caused death.

You are supposed to think it was intended either intentionally "beyond reasonable doubt" OR that you it is "beyond reasonable doubt" that you should have been aware that your actions were likely to cause death and you were reckless and didn't give a toss, I think.

Personally, I think the foul POS had been prolonging the distress for poor little Preston - starting at comparatively short periods of abuse and torture and getting progressively long as he gained confidence and got away with it time and again. I think he believed that Preston would choke, and have a fit every time - perhaps even "get used to it" and developing some sort of iresistance, and that he could prolong his own vile pleasure and that Preston would still (eventually) recover and start breathing again.

This is my opinion, of course - I have no idea what goes through the mind of someone like this, who gets a kick from torturing and abusing a helpless infant. He wouldn't have given a damn if Preston had ended up severely brain-damaged for lack of oxygen (it might even have been a bonus for him - then Preston could never tell). IMO he was uncaring and reckless in the way he abused that poor baby, and intentionally allowed him to die by not taking him to hospital the moment he realised that he wasn't going to breathe properly again. Instead he filmed it and let that baby suffer for God alone knows how long? An hour? Something like that - and only took him to hospital when it was too late, and he'd had time to fabricate a cover story with the other POS, and they'd destroyed or hidden all the evidence they could find.

This is murder, and in the most dreadful and cruel way imaginable.

 

[PoppyKJ]

Seeing him behave like that is even worse than I imagined. It is so theatrical & insincere. What an absolute monster.
One thing I am struggling to comprehend is how two people find each other and then come to the decision to adopt a child to abuse.
I know it happens, I work in CP but it’s another level of sick to take a vulnerable child in and do this.

 

[Padparadascha]

Theres no way those naked pictures and videos could be construed as innocen family photos.

 

[Milliemoo99]

They weren't suitable because they are monsters, abusers, animals. Not because they are gay. Their sexuality has nothing to do with it.
You can doubt it, but you'd be wrong. All people, male, female, gay and straight are capable of and have committed horrendous acts of abuse.

Maybe the checks for all adoptive parents need to be more comprehensive and as well as, the follow up and monitoring for signs of red flags

Having read more of this thread, I also wonder whether the apparent good reputation of Varley, the whole middle class teacher, with a respectable and responsible job has also influenced the way the social workers and establishment perceive him? He knew how to give the correct answers and the correct responses, how to deflect suspicion. So he wasnt questioned as much as he should have been about things like hospital visits?

The toddler was only with them for a few months, ok so toddlers do get covered in bruises as they learn to become independently mobile, but 3 visits in 3 months! its fairly obvious that Varley was struggling with him.

I dont think we have a lot of clarity today about how to bring up children and sooth children etc. So much of it is actually so basic, that people forget that when families were larger, most families saw childcare on a daily basis, and saw how their friends, family and neighbours coped with things like children who found it hard to sleep or feed etc. now its a lot more separated

The idea that you can spoil a 14 month old is ridiculous. Their ability to understand cause and effect is minimal. Yes they might understand if they are uncomfortable, or teething or hungry they cry and get a response, but thats it, A child of that age is entirely dependent on its care givers.

 

[Emsie]

Sorry I'm not fully caught up on the thread so apologies if this is out of place. I've just been reading through some of the back articles on the Blackpool Gazette after the link was posted to Varleys interview.

I'm now even more confused on Varleys Teaching timeliness.
Apologies I'm shit with links but I'm pretty sure this is correct from various reporting.

He did his teacher training between 2019-2021 (incidentally during mostly covid and lockdown times, remember those days?......)

They began the adoption process in late 2021, and passed stage 1 of the process early 2022. Then they took a break before the 2nd part, I'm pretty sure it was said because he wanted to get his year 11s through their exams as he had had them from the start?
I'm sure one of his teacher colleagues said that. But how if that was his first year as a qualified teacher? Had he been head of year during training?
Also the thing about the prom was when they had Preston with them wasn't it? The meet up at the hotel with colleagues. So that would relate to year 11s/exams, but this is a year later in 2023.

Its not especially relevant i suppose but I can't figure it out.

I was confused by this too, but my teacher friend told me that a lot of their heads of years aren't actually PGCE qualified. So they can't teach a class, but can do a head of year / SENCO type role as they are more pastoral. To teach a class, you do your PGCE.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I don’t understand this at all. Apart from it being cruel and neglectful. Why was he filming him? A 14 minute video is a huge length of time.

He also contradicts himself - wants to see how Preston was in his own company but then says Preston could see him.

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The fucking bastard!

There could be a reason the poor little thing whimpers when he catches sight of this evil fat Kh^nt!

 

[nothinonyou]

Other than the obvious issue with the language in his text, this is the second or third time (that I’ve seen) where JV refers to Preston as “your son” when talking to JF. He comes across as a totally manipulative psychopath (obviously in hindsight - but I think there were more than enough red flags before). Also gives me the impression the desire to adopt may have been more from JF?

He comes across as very controlling and abusive. We haven't heard how John responds to him though he could be just as bad.
I found it very strange that Jamie was sending pictures of Preston injured to John throughout the evening and saying he wasn't going to bring him to hospital and John said his flight was delayed and Jamie says this is all your fault. He was deliberately injuring the baby and then starting arguments and blaming his partner for it. Very deranged

 

[Liverbird2003]

I keep using the word horrific, but it is. I cannot imagine the fear and pain that poor baby went through. His DNA on their sex toys is surely going to seal the case?