Preston Davey Trial

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

A few reasons why it is unrealistic, none of which are going to be popular on the thread;
• it is subjecting adopters/fosterers differently to other parents, this is discrimination
• the staff hours and cost for police/social services/whoever to trawl through someone's devices, the criminal justice system can barely function with digital scrutiny as it is
• people have the human right to privacy, there is no legal framework to demand that people who are not charged with a crime or under suspicion of a crime, hand over their devices to be checked
• how could police/social services/whoever be sure the person had handed over all their devices? You can't search people houses for no reason, so they could have other devices they haven't handed over

This is just off the top of my head, I'm no legal
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You could argue that the whole adoption process treats prospective adopters differently to biological parents from the start though. A huge part of the process already involves additional scrutiny like medicals, home visits, references, enhanced DBS checks etc. I’m not sure why checking digital footprints or hard drives would suddenly be considered uniquely discriminatory.

If someone wants to care for a highly vulnerable child, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for there to be extremely stringent vetting and safeguarding measures. No stone should be left unturned.

I get the practical points you make though! It’s just all such a shame. At the end of the day, all I really care passionately about is safeguarding vulnerable kids from the likes of Jamie and John.

 

[nothinonyou]

So the depriving of oxygen was common and some kind of kink for them it seems. That disturbing picture of Preston slumped over the cot bars he had blue lips. Absolutely horrific,. deranged stuff

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I work in a role where I regularly interact with his foster mum, and she is honestly an angel among humans. I feel absolutely devastated for her, she is so devoted to her little ones.

She must be tormented by what has happened to him. She will have grown to love him in the time he was with her - I know foster parents are expected to keep an emotional distance, but they are only human - and probably can't sleep for thinking about him. The details have broken many of us (me included - I'm not reading any more) - I can't imagine what this is doing to her.

 

[IGiveUp22]

It looks to me like Varley was quite blasé that afternoon about Preston struggling to breathe because he had always recovered before.
He took the video at 4.45pm and within three minutes was chatting to McGowan about buying a kayak
I reckon that it was only when McGowan got home shortly after 6pm and he saw how bad Preston was, that it was him who insisted they must take him to hospital, and they set off about 6.20pm.
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Yeah absolutely; this wasn’t his first time and clearly this time he went too far.
Prolonged reduction of oxygen to the brain can cause seizures, brain damage, stokes, cardiac arrests and obviously death.
Google says - The human brain can generally survive without oxygen for only 4 to 6 minutes before permanent damage begins. This is why I think he has the timer out as noted in the 15:09 update: Interactions include Snapchat, calculator, mobile timer. There are messages relating to the sale of a kayak.
I think he’s been timing the assaults to make sure he didn’t go over the “time” to cause real damage, not realising that either he did do it too long or that the accumulation of incidents have contributed Preston not recovering what a monster.

 

[Boogs]

Not sure how niche the reference is but if anyone watched Summer Heights High he's behaving like the character Jamie when she wanted attention.

That was exactly what came to my mind too. He’s so ridiculous he’s like a parody. He’s on his knees wailing for attention when they asked him to hold his dead son’s hand to offer comfort. I’m undecided on his partner based on what we’ve seen so far but I am sure this cunt will be found guilty and I hope he is give a really hefty sentence.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

It's not letting me link but the Manchester Evening News was reporting live this morning.
They stopped at lunchtime and the Court isn't sitting this afternoon, it seems.

The stories are a mess on both newspapers websites because they're both the same news group with shit content management systems! The last update is at 13.02
The lancs live is the same as the MEN reporting with a redirect on the URL. For some reason you can't link to Manchester evening news.


JVs conduct/reactions and comments all sound like something from a very crap episode of Casualty. We all react differently to shocking news but this sounds so over the top. I was reminded of Savannah Brockhill as well. Not only do they think that the more dramatic reactions shows they are really upset and shocked the child died but it also shows they have no idea about real emotions and grief. Having just watched the footage on the Mail website it's even worse seeing it. Not sure how niche the reference is but if anyone watched Summer Heights High he's behaving like the character Jamie when she wanted attention. Except that was a comedy and this is a man who killed a baby after sexually abusing him

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

And yet again, Varley "tells" on himself - he whimpers when he sees me
You can hear the anger in the police officer's voice, when you read this - good!
At last JV is being held accountable for his actions!
Not like those stupid heart emojis from that dimwit social worker

Apart from being dangerous leaving ANY child of that age alone in the bath, that bath water will have been freezing after that amount of time. Poor cold, frightened, lonely little Preston. No wonder he was whimpering.

I could tear these men apart with my teeth!

 

[Moronic]

Me too. One other thing i do also think is we need to learn a few lessons about the wide availability of porn and kinks in general. Sadly I dont think this kind of stuff just exists in a vaccuum. JV must have known what he was doing was wrong, wrong on every level.
Maybe instead of the media being so accepting of kinks and porn, there needs to be a few more negative voices condemning it?

Agreed. Kinks is just another word for fucking weird. How many men are watching this stuff that passes for ‘kinky’. Ugh.

 

[Tofino]

I’ve noticed quite often when JV answers ‘no’ he nods when he says it. I’m sure it’s not foolproof but I think a lot of body language people say this can be a sign of lying. He does it on that latest video with the blonde hair ‘did you cause that bruise’ he replies ‘no’ but nods. He does it a couple of times I’ve noticed it on some of the other videos too.

 

[nothinonyou]

What a disgusting comment. Are you for fuckin real?. Get your head out of your arse! The only person / people that are responsible for this boys death ARE NOT the 'fag hags' as you put it . Vile comment

Way to completely misconstrue what I said, well done

 

[maytoseptember]

Probably because abuse comes in many forms, almost all forms are present here; sexual, physical and emotional. Nothing was off bounds to punish this baby because they disliked him.

I understand that, and do agree that clearly nothing was off limits in terms of the horrors they/Varley inflicted on Preston. I guess what I’m saying is, there’s nothing unusual or particularly shocking about an adult being violent and cruel towards a defenceless baby. A man orally and anally raping a baby is just a in different stratosphere. Even for a child abuser, that is rare and taboo.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

I wouldn’t be surprised if adoption rules hadn’t been updated since the explosion of the internet. So many people live huge chunks of their lives online. People are very good at maintaining a facade of being a normal functioning member of society if they have an outlet. The internet gives them that.

You don’t go from zero to r*ping a baby you’ve had in your care for 4 months. This was a calculated plan and I cannot believe either of them acted independently of the other. It’s not credible.

 

[Tofino]

Some thoughts about JMF after reading the reporting.

His story about when he arrived home matches JV. Preston was being sick upstairs and JV started CPR in the car. He’s heard repeating this story to someone on the phone outside the hospital on the video that’s been published (I think it’s his mum).

JV is also saying in the police interview that CPR started in the car, that Preston was awake when JMF got home.

But then in another police interview JV says he started CPR in the house.

and one consultant has said in his experience, the condition Preston was in, he had stopped breathing far longer than the ten minutes the men claimed.

We are only in the sequence of events and witnesses in attendance stage so I would expert the prosecution would want to have a medical expert view on this. If this is true, which I expect it is, it means JMF is lying as well as JV about what the situation was when he arrived home. But the speed of leaving for the hospital makes me wonder if they had discussed this on the phone beforehand as they had spoke (although I can’t recall the timings).

Also I’ve noticed that so far the prosecution have shown evidence of the photos and videos relating to cruelty and indecent images from JV to JMF but there has been no mention of what, if anything, JMF said in response. If he said nothing at all to any of these, is he just cleverer than JV and knows not to put anything in writing?

Example here - I’d be horrified if a partner of mine sent me this. So what did JMF say or do about it? There are reports of SO many videos and photos of this poor baby’s genitals and bottom. It’s not the slightest bit normal.

Spoiler: Sensitive

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

His responses in the police interview remind me of Savannah Brockhill. Arrogant twat who thinks he’s smart but really isn’t. I expect he may give evidence as he is the type to think he can win over a jury.

I hope he does.

The prosecution will slaughter him. His arrogance will be exposed for the entire court to see; he will get overconfident and contradict himself; he'll lose his temper and become abusive; he'll start to panic and begin crying; he'll hurl accusations at Preston's foster mother, the social services, the police, the lawyers, the judge, the jury . . .

 

[rosieflowers]

I also can't get my mind off the foster carer. My heart is absolutely breaking for her I honestly think experiencing something like this would kill me off inside. I help to run a playgroup and have got to know a couple of foster carers of babies and I know how much it breaks their hearts when the children leave them, especially if they know they are not off to the best setting (for example, a recent one where the baby was going back to their birth family which is obviously usually the best outcome, but in this case the family was 'good enough' but you know they are not really in the best place long term

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

This came to my mind too. The texts calling him abusive names and describing normal baby behaviour - let alone a a poor traumatised baby - as manipulative, spoilt etc - people have normalised this so much to the extent of finding it funny it breaks my heart. It seems to be a feature in a lot of child abuse cases. That people think it's okay to talk about and to children this way and to film them mocking them. The sleep deprivation stuff really upsets me, it's so heartless. I remember the description of I think Star Hobbs falling asleep in her dinner and being mocked, in a nasty way. How is that ok? What happens to a person that they don't see that happening, or immediately pick the child up, give them a huge hug and take them to bed or get them somewhere comfy?

The bit about his sister being a sleep trainer is a massive red flag to me too. I am completely against sleep training but understand it is peoples' choice. But it should never be a choice for a traumatised baby moving from foster mother to adopters? Particularly a baby who it is known does not sleep well, and has health issues CAUSING poor sleep, like reflux. I am hating on his sister too right now. Sleep training normalises describing babies crying as 'manipulative', spoilt etc, and teaches carers to detach from, ignore or at worst get angry at the poor baby's only way of communicating with the world bear in mind my 5 year old still doesnt STTN and my 1 year old wakes probably 4 or 5 times so I do get sleep deprivation as a parent!

I have an 19m old son and I can't get this horrendous case out of my mind. The details are absolutely galling. I can't get my mind off the description of the poor baby helplessly sliding around in a bath for 14 minutes while the accused said nothing to him I keep having to look at photos of my own children, to reassure myself how happy we are, what childhood should be, and that they will never ever god willing encounter anything even a tiny percentage as evil or upsetting as this

Sleep training normalises describing babies crying as 'manipulative', spoilt etc, and teaches carers to detach from, ignore or at worst get angry at the poor baby's only way of communicating with the world

Absolutely! Babies can't say that they are hungry, wet, frightened, in pain - so they cry. It's their only means of communication. And Nature wants it to be heard - that's why a crying baby is so hard to ignore, and when we try we get upset or angry - that cry is designed to hit every nerve in our body , so that we have to respond! A caring person responds by comforting the baby and reassuring them, and checking what might be the problem - nappy, milk etc., but these two seem to have left poor little Preston - frightened, in pain, suffering Preston - to have sobbed his little heart out. They didn't even let him have a few hours sleep (a blessed release from pain) and intentionally abused and tortured him with sleep deprivation - an interrogation method banned under the Geneva Convention.

My first child was a colicky baby - he cried and cried, barely slept (and nor did I - to the extent that I actually started to hallucinate for lack of sleep!). I know how hard it can be, when nothing you do seems to relieve your baby's distress - I've been in a state when I could feel the frustration building to horrible levels inside me - and I put him down in his cot, left the room for 5-10 minutes until I was calmer, and then went back in to start again comforting him. It isn't easy for any of us, but we do it. Loving mothers do it. Loving fathers do it. It's part of being a parent.

 

[jessica justice]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned and I’ve missed it.
in JV’s account of his day to the detective at the hospital he goes through the naps the been sick the bath. But he never thinks to mention that the poor child had a seizure (that he filmed but doesn’t remember filming) Ah but he was going to send it up a friend who also had children who had suffered from seizures. There are so many inconsistencies in his story it’s unbelievable. And the fact that he no comments when he can’t think of an excuse are ridiculous.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

I can’t follow the details on this - it’s too horrendous.
I will tune in for their sentencing and I hope it’s LONG.
Bless little Preston

 

[Milliemoo99]

They cancelled repeated meetings with Preston’s foster mother who is a very experienced carer. She contacted his social worker but his social worker didn’t do anything. Neither did she have any concerns about Preston’s repeated hospital admissions

Adoptive parents 'hid abused baby from foster mum', jury told

Sandra Cooper looked after Preston Davey from after his birth until he was adopted at 10 months.

www.bbc.co.uk

OMG this is horrific. What on earth was wrong with Preston's social worker?

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Re: perforated bowel - from Manchester Evening News:
An autopsy found Preston had sustained around 40 injuries during the time he was in the care of the defendants, including internal and external bruising, a perforated bowel and a fracture to his arm.

Tattle won't allow the link to the MEN, but headline is Preston Davey murder trial hears baby boy died after 'sinister' campaign of abuse