No need for the insults. I think it's a valid comment . Especially the fact that there were a substantial amount of red flags in this case ,and there were still allowed the "right to a family life"
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local authority adoption definitely allow potential adopters to start looking at child profiles either just before they go before the adoption panel or once they have had panel approval. it has been like that for a long time now- it may be different when using agency but they will still link in to the profile system. the difference with agency is they have a wider catchement, where as a local authority will only have their own children on the books.
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Reading the court reports today was satisfying. Peter Wright isn’t having to work particularly hard. He’s simply pointing out the many holes in Varley’s evidence. And Varley is thick as tit. Absolutely not sir, that is incorrect sir. He’s trying to sound responsible, mature and polite because those three traits are utterly alien to him and it’s all he’s got. What he doesn’t seem to realise is that when he says ‘absolutely not sir’ he is supposed to follow it up with an explanation as to why it’s ‘absolutely not sir’. And he doesn’t because there is no other explanation and he’s too stupid to comprehend how a jury is likely to interpret the plain frigging obvious. Oh and I’m still not having this idea that JMF is innocent in any way. He’s a dirty scumbag too. How in the hell did these two freaks find one another. This isn’t ‘just’ a child (inverted commas due to sounding flippant, it’s not meant to be) - Preston was a BABY. There will be loads of sx offenders on the pon wing that will find them way more disgusting than they see themselves as being. And they will not last once someone gets bored and wants a bit of fame.
Can anyone remind me of the timeline between these two monsters starting a relationship and them starting the adoption process? Did they know each other long before starting a relationship?
I had a horrible thought the whole relationship could have been staged purely to get access to a baby boy for their sick fantasies. I can’t see how otherwise they started abusing him so quickly. It’s not like you could voice those fantasies with anyone else before acting on them because there’s a very strong chance they’d quite rightly run for the hills in absolute horror. It has to have been planned right from the start.
The whole thing is unfathomable. I cuddle my little boy at night and my heart breaks for Preston and the life he could have had if he’d just been placed with literally any other prospective adopters in the country at the time.
I had a horrible thought the whole relationship could have been staged purely to get access to a baby boy for their sick fantasies. I can’t see how otherwise they started abusing him so quickly. It’s not like you could voice those fantasies with anyone else before acting on them because there’s a very strong chance they’d quite rightly run for the hills in absolute horror. It has to have been planned right from the start.
The whole thing is unfathomable. I cuddle my little boy at night and my heart breaks for Preston and the life he could have had if he’d just been placed with literally any other prospective adopters in the country at the time.
Quoting my own previous post, here is the relationship timeline. They started adoption in 2021, took a year break, then restarted the process and were given Preston in March ? 2023. He died 4 months later.
I noticed JV hasn't been asked about the hot tub yet in cross. Interested to hear how he answers it if questioned (although assuming he'll just brush it off with "absolutely not sir").
Also interested to know whether his tone comes across as angry and annoyed like his police interviews. Given he explains lots of his actions and language choices as his personality, I can't believe he's not snapped back into that yet.
Also interested to know whether his tone comes across as angry and annoyed like his police interviews. Given he explains lots of his actions and language choices as his personality, I can't believe he's not snapped back into that yet.
Someone upthread was saying that the prosecuting barrister, Peter Wright, isn't having to work particularly hard ATM (found it - @Belgerac ) - he's just gently exposing the lies. I'm hoping that having let the inconsistencies in JV's stories just ooze out, he'll go for a grand finale - taking off the kid gloves and really pushing JV to goad him into showing his vicious, spiteful, vindictive side. Letting the jury see the manipulative public face of JV - and then showing the real man behind the facade.
I'd really like to see that mask slip.
Eugh, this reminds me of the interview where Gerry McCann is asked "did you kill your daughter?" And he replies "no. And that's an emphatic no". It's such an odd addition
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Sorry to quote myself - @Belgerac should have read @Beigerac - I apologise.
I am noticing hes saying to john and referring preston as your boy/son instead of our boy/son i find that odd considering they both wanted to go through the adoption process or did he!
Maybe it was just JV version of events in his twisted little mind and didn’t happen quite like that.
All of his ways are so grating “absolutely not sir”, he’s loving the drama and probably thinks he’s putting on a great performance. I’m no semantics or psychology student but I’m sure there’s something there to pick up on. The first word “absolutely” sounds like an agreement then the “not” is like a punchline. Does he really think he’s got the smarts to outwit Peter Wright KC? Hopefully PW is just toying with him and giving him some rope.
I wondered if this is all part of trying to shift blame and make JMF feel guilty for what he knows is happening at home (for what it's worth I do think JMF is completely guilty) ie he is YOUR son, this is YOUR fault. All part of emotional abuse.
(I've also wondered if JMF only stayed with JV as he had too much info on him - we can clearly see from all the evidence that JV is a very controlling character, a narcissist and an abuser)
This is not me feeling sorry for JMF before anybody comments - I think the evidence suggests he IS guilty.
Looking forward to seeing how today plays out in terms of JV's humiliation and being torn to shreds.
I'm just going by what I am reading here, but I'd say spot on. Loving the drama and being the centre of attention.
He may make the most of it, hopefully there is a life sentence ahead of him. I hope he never sees freedom or daylight again.
I’ve been following this thread and listening to the pod but not reading the court reports daily.
One thing I’m struggling to make sense of is the timeline on the afternoon/evening of Preston’s death. In some of JV’s accounts he was napping then went straight in the bath. When was the seizure video filmed? Before or after the supposed bath? Yesterday JV appeared to say he had a seizure after waking up and then he bathed him?!
I’m sure it’s not making sense because he’s tripping up on his lies and this will become clear with further questioning on the stand.
One thing I’m struggling to make sense of is the timeline on the afternoon/evening of Preston’s death. In some of JV’s accounts he was napping then went straight in the bath. When was the seizure video filmed? Before or after the supposed bath? Yesterday JV appeared to say he had a seizure after waking up and then he bathed him?!
I’m sure it’s not making sense because he’s tripping up on his lies and this will become clear with further questioning on the stand.
The seizure was before the supposed bath, I think about an hour. It doesn't make sense because JV "forgot" the seizure and made up the bath. Therefore the seizure was not mentioned in the original timeline.
The very confusing and sketchy timeline was also queried yesterday- indirectly and very brilliantly - as the QC quite rightly said if your baby had just had a seizure why would you go and leave them unattended in the bath...make it make sense (paraphrasing a lot here)
The reason you are struggling with the timeline is because it isn't clear what happened and JV has changed the story a number of times.
To me, he's trying to say that there was a seizure earlier which Preston recovered from (which he filmed but failed to mention to JMF) and the bath incident was just minutes before JMF arrived home (to hide the fact Preston was dying/dead for some time)...except there is no evidence of P being in water.
He’s also claiming that him saying to police “he hates his baths” is now “he hates his baths being rushed”
a baby that hates the bath was in there a hell of a lot. Passed out. With water. Without water. For hours with two or one naked man. Between their legs. Dropped under the water. Left alone in water up to his face on his back for 14 minutes. In there at 2pm. Late at night. Few times a day. b.
I thought it would be useful to remind us of the charges against JV and JMF. I would think there is sufficient evidence to convict them. Initially it seemed to be circumstantial evidence but the amount of phone data, CSI and pathologists' evidence would suggest they are both guilty as hell.
Maybe someone with medical experience can answer this, but would a doctor really say "if your tiny baby has a seizure, just record it it will be fine" surely they'd want to look at brain patterns etc? It's not normal for a baby to have a seizure? What if he stops breathing?
This is absolutely not the same, but one of mine had viral wheeze, which is terrifying as they struggle to breathe and we were told give him an inhaler and get straight to hospital, every single time! I can't tell you how often we ended up there over one winter, overnight stays, interrogations as to whether we smoked around him. And viral wheeze is a fairly common thing.
This is absolutely not the same, but one of mine had viral wheeze, which is terrifying as they struggle to breathe and we were told give him an inhaler and get straight to hospital, every single time! I can't tell you how often we ended up there over one winter, overnight stays, interrogations as to whether we smoked around him. And viral wheeze is a fairly common thing.
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