Preston Davey Trial #3

[ClaraPlum]

I’m just listening to The Trial podcast and I’ve got to the part where foster mum returns to court to clarify the whole “Free Willy” time, and honestly I’m almost in tears.

I’ve mentioned before that I’ve come into contact with foster mum professionally, and she is genuinely one of the loveliest people I’ve ever met. Hearing the lawyer question her practice, integrity, and essentially call her a liar has genuinely pushed me over the edge a bit.

I just need people to know that she is an incredibly upstanding woman, very well regarded in the community for being kind, compassionate, and utterly devoted to the young people in her care. She takes her role extremely seriously, but always with so much warmth and love.

I 100% believe she is telling the truth. I just really needed to say that.

 

[Emsie]

I'm not wasting an ounce of sympathy on the birth mother. Even if Preston had lived, even if he had stayed with the lovely foster carer, he was in for a hard life of trauma and loss. We need to be real about adoption and the effects it has on children. It's not a rainbow happily ever after. They will spend their whole life traumatised and affected by the things done to them in the womb and then the sever from birth parents. That is something that affects their whole brain and they don't recover from it, they just walk alongside it for the rest of their lives.
She didn't give him up for a better life and it's not long lost families. It's messy, traumatic and complicated. He was taken from her as soon as he was born. She hadn't changed her lifestyle for her daughter and wasn't going to change it for her son.

 

[MmmB777]

He's making mincemeat of him
Enjoy your cheeky whole life order you evil twat.

 

[SamPam]

"He was your plaything and you were serially abusing him," Mr Wright KC puts to the defendant.

"No, if that was the case there would be thousands of images," Mr Varley says.

Yeah because the obvious response to being told you were a child abuser is “I’d have taken more photo evidence of it if I was”

 

[Shinythings]

As a mother of a sen child this is very offensive!!!!!

Why on earth is that offensive? Some people with additional needs don't understand when their behaviour may be inappropriate. I didn't say all. It's simply a fact and nothing to take offense to.

 

[sebanna]

Just reading back JV version of Preston's final hours, he has a fifteen minute gap in mobile phone use, during this time he falls asleep and wakes up to Preston having a seizure and stopping breathing - he calmly films this and immediately goes to texting JMF about selling a kayak! There's another suspicious gap in mobile phone activity. He runs Preston a bath, he leaves him to look for underwear and pj's. The child falls in the water with only an ear visible. The bath sealant round the plug fails and drains the water ( the bath sealant round the side of bath failed earlier leading to the inappropriate photo of Preston) the bath seat magically moves to the sink. He changes Preston's nappy while he's fatally declining throwing the dirty nappy out if the window which is never recovered. Preston's hair magically dries on the dash to hospital then despite drowning there is no water in the lungs.
I think JV is cooked and looking forward to him explaining all this under cross examination.

 

[Ghostranch]

For anyone who needs a reminder, here are some of the main findings from the medical experts:

Dr Armour (a consultant forensic pathologist, with 39 years of experience in her field).

"the cause of death was an upper airway obstruction, leading to Preston's collapse by a deliberate act of smothering, or an object or objects inserted into his mouth."

Dr Gifford (an expert in child sexual abuse and the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health's clinical lead).

"Clinically I watched that and I wanted to resuscitate him immediately - he looks terminal in that video."

"...found about 40 trauma injuries - internal and external - to Preston, including tears and lacerations, with "in excess" of 30 bruises found across his body."

"The injuries are clinical signs of sexual abuse. More than one occasion".

Honestly don't see how anyone can see/hear these things and still have doubts. The cause of death is clear. The cause of the injuries is clear. This little, non-walking baby had 40 injuries across his tiny body. That is not normal.

And nobody leaves a baby unattended in a bath, for any length of time, unless they are either incredibly stupid or are sadistic/want to cause harm/getting off on it.

These monsters emotionally, physically and sexually abused this precious child. JV sexually abused him to death and JMF knows it. The evidence is crystal clear.

 

[zogsmum]

Another pic of Preston

 

[KittyGhosts]

I haven’t commented on this thread before, but have been watching. I am particularly interested in child protection.

What I’m about to say sounds like the anti - woke “I’m not racist but..” tribe.

However, I do believe amongst educated professionals there is potentially dangerous bias for certain minority groups. I don’t doubt for a second that gay dads were seen as lower risk, and it probably helped the local authorities diversity criteria.

Please don’t think in anyway I am saying members of the lgbtqia+ community are criminals by default. However, inevitably there will be a small few who are criminals etc. and this may be over looked due to not wanting to come across un-pc.

I say this because my daughter was abused by a trans young man at college, and he definitely wasn’t treated in the same way you’d expect a cis young man to be.

I’m so sorry that your daughter suffered like that and you have a very salient point.

Basic statistics show us that men are responsible for 97% of sexual crimes and the vast majority of violent ones.
That doesn’t change whether those men stick on a dress or are gay. Men are men on an offending population level

It’s just safeguarding 101 and authorities have shown shocking judgement and practices due to not adhering to this.

Safeguarding isn’t ’personal’. It’s applied framework using knowledge of risk.
We’re not allowed to, for example, help out in a children’s group unless we have a DBS. That doesn’t mean little Jimmy’s dad in Y2 is a nonce but he has to be checked as it’s a basic safeguarding policy.
My son would never hurt a fly or be disrespectful to girls and women and is a beautiful teenager but I wouldn’t allow him to help his disabled female relative in a ladies’ single sex space etc.

People shouldn’t get offended by these kind of things that are set up to protect vulnerable groups. Risk of populations are just that, men cannot ‘identify’ out of those groups.


‘Be kind’ has resulted in shocking outcomes in ignoring safeguarding over the past decade or so by people in authority who should have been protecting

 

[MmmB777]

There are lots of things that don't make sense to me. I'm unsure what I think regarding JMF.

Perhaps it's easier for me to imagine JMF was oblivious to the horror JV was inflicting on that poor innocent baby and he did love Preston, than the alternative which is unbearable .

I have faith that the jury will know ALL the answers to see Justice for Preston is served.

Well it’s detailed there what JMF was around for and what he claimed happened. So either his version is believed or it isn’t.
The neighbours heard him shout at Preston. He’s there when this baby is crying an abnormal amount, high pitched wails. Sorry but I don’t understand why it’s more comforting to think JMF was wandering around oblivious that “his son” had a prolapsed bum, brusies, bite marks, a fracture. He filmed JV lash that baby around with his neck unsupported with no visible signs of enjoyment. He is wholly and completely complicit.

 

[nothinonyou]

Spoiler: Spoiler

in the new episode of the podcast they say there is a video of Preston and JV in the bath and Preston is looking at JVs genitals and is moving towards it with his mouth very disturbing and very obviously CSAM

 

[RinsedHoops]

One thing that’s standing out to me is that the defence really haven’t been able to REFUTE any of the medical evidence. They’ve been able to argue that some of the injuries might be have caused some other way, while still agreeing that they’re consistent with sexual assault.

I think if this is their most compelling witness, they have nothing

 

[owen2110]

Why on earth would you strip a baby naked to sit in his high chair and have his tea? Clothes off potentially yes, to not get them messy and stained but you certainly wouldn’t be removing his nappy also - IMO.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Coming back to the photos and videos, and not looking to reignite any cross purposes. My take is that, we are all coming at this from our own innocent perspectives of family life and making memories. We’re also naturally worrying that the jury might take on board some of JV bullshit narrative. Just remember, we only know what’s been reported in the press, luckily for us we won’t have to look and make that judgement call. The facts remain this was 2 unrelated adult males, photographed and videoed bollock naked with a child who, in the grand scheme of things, they had only just met. It’s not a tired mum breastfeeding her newborn in the bath. It’s not a new dad bonding by doing skin to skin. It’s the stuff of nightmares that our brains try to protect us from by looking for any possible way it can’t be true, or might not be as bad as the places our innocent minds have been forced to go. No matter what life experience the jury members have or don’t have they will not be taken in by a bare faced lying weasel in the face of all this evidence. It wasn’t one or two instances where they’ve accidentally caught their own bits in the frame, it was habitual and deliberate. It makes us feel weird trying to reconcile it with our own reality because it is weird.

 

[MmmB777]

The very confusing and sketchy timeline was also queried yesterday- indirectly and very brilliantly - as the QC quite rightly said if your baby had just had a seizure why would you go and leave them unattended in the bath...make it make sense (paraphrasing a lot here)

He’s also claiming that him saying to police “he hates his baths” is now “he hates his baths being rushed” a baby that hates the bath was in there a hell of a lot. Passed out. With water. Without water. For hours with two or one naked man. Between their legs. Dropped under the water. Left alone in water up to his face on his back for 14 minutes. In there at 2pm. Late at night. Few times a day.
Bastard.

 

[raspberryjuice]

I don’t want to police the thread at all but can I please suggest people exercise caution when discussing their own children and exploration of their bodies, how their children behave in the bath, nappy free time etc. This thread that is heavily discussing sexual abuse of a child will be attracting people who have an unsavoury interest in that and who will enjoy some of those stories. As much as you’d like to think we’re all here innocently to discuss the case in a factual way, for some what happened to Preston is sadly a fantasy and I know personally I’d hate for those kinds of people to enjoy discussions of my own child even if they are faceless. I think those of us who don’t have any kind of interest in exploiting or abusing children know what is/isn’t normal without having to share stories and give someone else a sick thrill.
I’m not suggesting anyone posting is that way inclined but I guarantee there will be lots of them lurking here and everywhere this case is being discussed lapping up those seemingly innocent stories.

 

[Happytobedivorced]

It’s totally stomach churning, this is one of the worst baby CSA cases I’ve come across, it’s up there with poor Baby Brianna.

What I don’t understand is that they couldn’t even manage to wait till he was “officially theirs” and the placement signed off - they started the abuse within days of him being there & it’s just escalated - I’m sure JV didn’t intend to kill him on the 27th, but all the abuse would have caught up with them sooner rather than later surely, there were still social workers involved, as lacklustre as they seemed - one of these hospital visits would be too many & then their jizzy show home would come falling down.

How the fuck did they think they could get away it. Blows my mind the fucking audacity of these disgusting bastards.

They operate in plain sight. This has been very triggering for me, but I’m following it as I want to be able to know enough to raise awareness after the trial for Preston and all the many others like him.
I was physically and SA from around the age of two by a close family member for years and he was so arrogant too, often being inappropriate around others but masking it as ‘messing about’
They really are audacious.
Whats really sad is that we had social workers too who did nothing and over 40 years on, nothing appears to have changed.

 

[Anonymous One]

This is a very disturbing trial that’s going to elicit really uncomfortable emotions for everyone following it and I’d imagine for people with young children (particularly little boys) it’s going to be an extremely difficult thing to be following. Everyone knows little boys play with their willies, don’t worry. They’re just not allowed to be nude for their entire lives and given the opportunity for that to be their only toy or encouraged to explore other people’s genitals. The fact that the jury are even being asked to decide if they believe some of the things seen are inappropriate means that some of them, in a different context and without the volume of evidence, may well be considered ‘normal’. A few nude photos of your one year old in a paddling pool for an age appropriate length of time are normal but what they have is inappropriate. The mere idea that a 13 month old could ever be displaying hypersexualised behaviours doesn’t bear thinking about so I’m not surprised that triggers so many people but the reality is that this is clearly a little boy who has been through incomprehensible things. We don’t know if he displayed age appropriate interest in his genitals or whether he displayed hypersexualised behaviours for his age because, thankfully, we’ll never see these videos but we all know your own babies have an entirely normal interest in their own bodies.

 

[chazzlechuzzle]

His wording choices such as "Nothing has been done to Preston" rather than "I didn't do anything to Preston" smacks of dissociation.

 

[MmmB777]

It's interesting to me that immediately after, they went to their respective parents and contact was through JMFs mother.

This leads me to question whether perhaps JMF didn't know.?

We know Varley is a manipulative weaseling toad (to put it mildly).

Is it possible JMF was refusing to speak to him because he DID suspect he had hurt Preston initially.

Could he have been persuaded by JV that the fact he was walking around a free man, indicated the police 'had no evidence' or what they did have was 'flimsy' and they were 'clutching at straws'.
Of course I'm thinking of the lines JV would be feeding JMF.

Would anyone believe their partner was capable of such heinous acts? Or could they be persuaded maybe the police had got it wrong?

Do you think Preston’s fractured elbow was a cheeky accident with a cheeky boy in his car seat oh wait.. cot.. and he winked and went off to sleep? Because JMF is there and backs up JVs account.

do you think Preston really hung himself, legs dangling, over the cot, turning blue, photographed for over 3 minutes, with what looks like semen coming from his mouth, in the spot a mixed sperm and saliva sample would be taken and JMF was just downstairs making a roast? Coming up just to say cheeky boy and lay this blue lipped blue tongued child back down to sleep?

If you don’t believe either of those versions of events then JMF is guilty. And if you think that he was guilty on those occasions but not on the day of Preston’s death, why not? Because tests show Preston was dead long before their version of events could make any sense. JMF has helped JV out with the bullshit story because he was totally and utterly complicit and participated in the abuse of Preston.