Preston Davey Trial #2

[Lolly505]

I'm also sure - from my memories of Anne Geddes - that most of her photos of babies are covered up with only their faces showing. Didn't she do babies in flowerpots, or asleep but wrapped up like a caterpillar/butterfly/ladybird, faces being the middle of sunflowers, etc?

Those were her most famous works, but she did take more realistic portrait style photos as well, I think as her later work. But those weren't the really necessary people were hanging up as decor.

I did find these examples of her work, which...

But it'd be both incredibly pretentious and stupid dangerous to think you can recreate this by just precariously balancing a baby (especially a much older, much heavier baby who has much more movement vs a newborn) on their cot bars as you snapping photos on your smartphone, presumably from a distance.

So even if it's true, it again shows they only saw that boy as a prop and not an actual little human person to keep safe.

 

[LittleMy]

Can’t wait until the prosecution tear into him.

 

[Tanley]

I didn't even think little babies could get erections... Can't believe I've even typed that it's so wrong

They definitely can. It surprised me when I had my baby boy, but it’s perfectly normal.
What isn’t normal is taking a photo of it ‘to show their future partner’

 

[ItsmeImtheproblemitsme]

Now, I followed the Letby trial- not fully as I couldn’t keep up! But there obviously were some people who even in the most glaring evidence, protested her innocence, and I get why, some was circumstantial on it’s own. Dare I suggest there’ll be the same kind of support for these monsters? If we think there will be, is that’s what’s driving some of the uncertainty around the final verdict? Personally I can’t imagine any jury finding them not guilty?!

 

[pixieroo]

Those were her most famous works, but she did take more realistic portrait style photos as well, I think as her later work. But those weren't the really necessary people were hanging up as decor.

I did find these examples of her work, which...
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But it'd be both incredibly pretentious and stupid dangerous to think you can recreate this by just precariously balancing a baby (especially a much older, much heavier baby who has much more movement vs a newborn) on their cot bars as you snapping photos on your smartphone, presumably from a distance.

So even if it's true, it again shows they only saw that boy as a prop and not an actual little human person to keep safe.

Thanks for confirming, and I agree with it being incredibly stupid/dangerous and, I'd add, unbelieveable to say he was trying to recreate those types of images. For one, those babies have, whilst being naked, been photographed with dignity.

 

[Tofino]

Now, I followed the Letby trial- not fully as I couldn’t keep up! But there obviously were some people who even in the most glaring evidence, protested her innocence, and I get why, some was circumstantial on it’s own. Dare I suggest there’ll be the same kind of support for these monsters? If we think there will be, is that’s what’s driving some of the uncertainty around the final verdict? Personally I can’t imagine any jury finding them not guilty?!

I think some people see any alternative reason given (even if it’s a lie) means there is doubt rather than consider if it’s a reasonable explanation. The reasons JV has given for letting Preston sleep in the bath, are not reasonable. IMO. And jurors are allowed to disregard ‘evidence’ if they think it’s a lie / not reasonable etc.

 

[LittleMy]

Now, I followed the Letby trial- not fully as I couldn’t keep up! But there obviously were some people who even in the most glaring evidence, protested her innocence, and I get why, some was circumstantial on it’s own. Dare I suggest there’ll be the same kind of support for these monsters? If we think there will be, is that’s what’s driving some of the uncertainty around the final verdict? Personally I can’t imagine any jury finding them not guilty?!

I’d be surprised to be honest, I’ve only seen a lot of anger directed at these two so far online. I think not only because the evidence in this case is very damning and easier to follow, but because when it comes to the Letby case there are multiple reasons people might want to defend her. For one, she’s a young white British nurse, very unassuming and doesn’t “look” like their idea of a killer; a lot of people didn’t follow the trial thoroughly and don’t understand all of the evidence so then jump on the bandwagon based solely upon their “feelings” about it; many people believe it’s the NHS covering things up, especially people who have had issues with the NHS themselves in the past and a grudge to bear.

 

[owen2110]

The way he is trying to portray himself as some doting, perfect parent is making me mad. He's got an answer for everything. How is he going to explain away the terrible injuries Preston suffered? especially the ones in his last few hours of life when he was the only one looking after him. Pure evil.

 

[sebanna]

JV is now explaining why he took a video of Preston having a seizure, in one of his videos Preston wasn't breathing for about twenty seconds! Who finds a baby not breathing and takes a video rather then ringing an ambulance! Same with Preston turning blue on the cot bars and he's photographing him before releasing the pressure of his neck!

 

[LittleMy]

The way he is trying to portray himself as some doting, perfect parent is making me mad. He's got an answer for everything. How is he going to explain away the terrible injuries Preston suffered? especially the ones in his last few hours of life when he was the only one looking after him. Pure evil.

He can’t explain it, anything he comes up with will just sound ridiculous because the pathologist has already stated the injuries weren’t caused due to the resuscitation attempts or anything that the medical staff did. When it comes the prosecution’s turn to question him I can see it all falling to pieces. We’ll probably get the defensive, aggressive side to JV that was in those police interview tapes.

 

[Tofino]

JV is now explaining why he took a video of Preston having a seizure, in one of his videos Preston wasn't breathing for about twenty seconds! Who finds a baby not breathing and takes a video rather then ringing an ambulance! Same with Preston turning blue on the cot bars and he's photographing him before releasing the pressure of his neck!

And he never even mentions the “seizure” video filmed two hours before he died to the hospital trying to save his life, or any mention of any number of seizures. Plus wasn’t the original seizure meant to be febrile? Yet he doesn’t have a fever in any of the others so you wouldn’t leave it without seeking advice.

 

[RinsedHoops]

‘Defendant denies intentionally taking an indecent photo
"Were you intentionally trying to take an indecent photo of his genitals?" asked the KC.
"No, not deliberately," Mr Varley says.
Mr Varley explains Anne Geddes is a New York photographer who takes pictures of babies in towels or plant pots with lots of focus on the feet. He says growing up there were a lot of her photos around the house and he tried to take that style of photos when he had his own child.’

What the actual f???? Why would anyone have photos like that everywhere? Random photos of babies on the wall next to photos of Nan on holiday or paintings of a Spanish harbour or whatever? Am I an artless phillistine or is that really weird? Also if true it certainly had an interesting effect on the young mind of this cretin.

Anne Geddes is a well known photographer, but her photos are basically cutesy baby photos with the babies in flowers and big shells and stuff. Very tame

 

[owen2110]

“He gave me a bit of a cheeky wink” ? Strange use of words in my opinion. Babies don’t tend to wink at people as far as i’m aware?!

 

[Shinythings]

I'm actually wondering if these two have deluded themselves into thinking Preston was enjoying the abuse. It wouldn't be unusual for pdfs to think this way but some of their phrasing an attitude is giving me the impression they somehow thought this was a reciprocal thing.

 

[pixieroo]

"...the first meeting when he introduced himself he told me there was no fracture.

‘I said he’s in our care as an adopted child. I would feel more comfortable if he was Xrayed.’

An Xray subsequently showed a fracture, he says."

Painting himself as the one who ensured Preston got the right care, and the Doctor as irresponsible (and therefore a poor witness to his lies) of course.

As for the 'wink' and the story about how the injury came about this is the fourth (?) different story heard in the trial and on the messages in evidence... I'm not sure I can imagine how Preston twisted and his elbow fractured as JV 'caught' him?

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

“He gave me a bit of a cheeky wink” ? Strange use of words in my opinion. Babies don’t tend to wink at people as far as i’m aware?!

They don't have that degree of fine motor control.

Infants can't deliberately wink.

 

[Sophieceebee]

I don’t think he means a deliberate wink. My dog winks at me sometimes and I make a comment about it but I know she didn’t do it on purpose. I’m not defending him but we need to keep perspective about how he phrases things, especially as a Northener.

 

[Aberscot]

So the foster parent is lying ( about Willy time) and now the Dr also ( about car seat)….
Any more, I bet it will be the pathologist next!

 

[maytoseptember]

JV is now explaining why he took a video of Preston having a seizure, in one of his videos Preston wasn't breathing for about twenty seconds! Who finds a baby not breathing and takes a video rather then ringing an ambulance!

The answer, of course, is that Preston hadn’t had a seizure - he was recovering from one of several episodes of suffocation.

 

[pixieroo]

I really hope that, whilst I know he can't have admitted guilt to NJ KC, that NJ knows he's guilty as sin and is being brilliant at ensuring JV can't say he didn't receive a fair trial.

How anyone couldn't have noticed, especially when taking photographs that his lips and tongue were blue is beyond me.

I really hope the cross examination is brutal.