I back them 100%. It’s not about “working” ie getting 16% (which they know they won’t, that’s their negotiation) it’s about action and disruption. They’re achieving that and I admire them.
You do realise it’s not just about pay . It’s the protection of the nhs too , improving staff conditions and being understaffed . If we were all greedy and wanted more money , Myself and other nurses could easily hand our notice in tomorrow and join an agency and be on £40/£50 a hour and the nhs would be screwed with nobody to work for them and then it would all go privatised and the general public would realise they were better off beforeDon’t support the strikes at all. Nurses know what he pay is before even entering the workforce.
They are putting public health at risk.
Does the NHS in general need a rethink? Probably yes but this isn’t it and people are already turning on them.
If I had an operation cancelled due to the strikes I’d be fuming.
A lot of nurses had also been bullied into “supporting” the strikes.
Absolute bollocks and nothing anybody says will change my mind. They are better paid than most people
I agree with this so much. Im not a nurse or health care but do work on wards at times, and it really is the health cares that do most of the work with the patients. In one departmebt ive worked at it was onmy the health care that were canular trained,i sometimes fail to see what nurses do other then hand out meds.I’m an ex nurse and would never go back because it’s just not nursing any more. I liked the hands on approach. Spending my day giving out meds and keyboard bashing and shouting for the healthcare assistant when a patient wants to go to the toilet is not my idea of nursing. My friend is an HCA and they do the bulk of the work, blood tests, taking observations, feeding, washing, dressings etc. They aren’t striking, if they did the NHS would fall apart.
Nurses are vital, but they aren’t in the real world if they think they are going to get 16 percent.
The NHS needs a massive overhaul starting with nurses training going back to basics, and stop relying on the overworked and poorly paid HCAs
Rant over
I agree that if there is a pay deal it should be for those who really need it, e.g band 6 and below. Nurses, HCAs etc do an absolutely high pressured job with so much responsibility that is not reflected in their pay.I personally think the whole pay structure of the NHS needs looking into.
What concerns me about Nurses pay is that it’s not just going be a pay increase FOR nurses…..
Most of our nurses are band 5 or 6 on the pay scale….if the nurses get the pay rise they deserve, in effect so will every bugger else at band 5 / band 6 and above…….then all those ‘managers’ of managers and pen pushers will all get a pay rise and in effect, those who do the least and make all the shit decisions that negatively affect the NHS will just get richer…..
Nurses, CSW’s, HCA, domestics, receptionists, porters etc should all be paid separately from the current banding pay scale…..
Just to put into comparison if our wages should match the cost of living energy wise , we should be on 62k a year , if it Matches food costs a year we should be on 37k a year , if it matches fuel costs we should be on 39k a yearI support the right to strike.
However I don't think nurses are as badly paid as is being made out.
But no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.Just to put into comparison if our wages should match the cost of living energy wise , we should be on 62k a year , if it Matches food costs a year we should be on 37k a year , if it matches fuel costs we should be on 39k a year
yes it may seem we are on a lot but it doesn’t reflect the cost of living goimg Up , it’s the same for any job out there who thinks pay should be increased . You can’t increase all the bills and costs of living but not have our wages go up to reflect . Since 2010, we have had a pay cut of 8% so no I don’t think it’s cheeky to ask for a rise Of 4%
Absolutely agree with thisBut no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
I agree with this, which is why I'll always support the right to strike, whether I agree with the reason or not. Everyone benefits at some point.As for the argument someone made that strikes are somehow engineered by union bosses, it’s ludicrous, they follow the wishes of their members after a ballot. Every working person in this country, whether or not they were a member of a union themselves, has benefitted from union actions. Unions won many workers rights which are now enshrined in law, paid maternity leave being one for example. The only bargaining chip workers have is withdrawal of labour.
I was making reference to saying nurses aren’t badly paidBut no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
You're not the bad guys. You can strike.I was making reference to saying nurses aren’t badly paid
Nurses alongside every other job profession are in the same boat , nobody’s wages are going up to reflect cost of living . Everyone is struggling , some have to look for other jobs because they can’t afford to drive every day for their job I.E community nurses . Having to pick up extra shifts losing out on family time
So why are we made out to be the bad guys and got To breaking point and said look enough is enough we are balloting and striking so we can be heard
And everyone should strikeBut no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
I agree with this so much. Im not a nurse or health care but do work on wards at times, and it really is the health cares that do most of the work with the patients. In one departmebt ive worked at it was onmy the health care that were canular trained,i sometimes fail to see what nurses do other then hand out meds.
And then doing all that knowing the ward/clinic is down another qualified member of staff or two…it’s phenomenally stressful, both physically (all the running and lifting) and mentally (the calculations and balancing of risk)I can tell you what I do
I give life saving medication that has to be drawn up to the decimal point and work out how to dilute it/give it. Be aware of current blood results and other meds incase it contradicts the need for blend. Double check all doses. Repeat this maybe 10 -15 times a shift. Manage the unit and my own patient work load, ensure all obs are done, ensure doctors are aware of any obs that are abnormal, do what I can do help fix the obs such as give analgesia, get them something to drink, ask the doctor to prescribe more fluids, hang them fluids, then recheck the obs. Update the family while I do all of this. Ensure everything is documented, move onto the next patient and repeat. I work in a&e so I do this while the managing the unit, when the triage Que starts to build up I triage up to 20 patients an hour, while managing the unit and attending to patients I was looking after earlier. Now imagine doing this and the phone starts ringing, it’s the matrons asking me to investigate incidents or speak to pharmacy/the ward/attend a meeting. Phone rings again it’s a parent who wants to change their apt or they couldn’t get prescribed med anywhere, this is now something I have to fix. But my patients in the cubicles are going to breach (be in a&e for longer the 4 hours so to meet target need to be moved to the ward) I need to phone the ward to see if their ready, they will be in 5mins, great plenty of time to sort this prescription call them back and arrange for them to pick it up. Move the patient to the ward, come back down, start breaks, triage Que is now on 20 people, it’s 10am. It’s me and one other nurse and if I’m lucky and blessed a health care assistant. That is my life every day I go to work. I think that’s should allow me to earn enough to put on my heating thank you very much
Oh and you forgot all the ambulances are piled up in resus getting their patients in but we can’t get anybody out of A&e onto wards because all the ward discharges can’t get home because there’s no ambulances to take them home because They’re all outside of A&eI can tell you what I do
I give life saving medication that has to be drawn up to the decimal point and work out how to dilute it/give it. Be aware of current blood results and other meds incase it contradicts the need for blend. Double check all doses. Repeat this maybe 10 -15 times a shift. Manage the unit and my own patient work load, ensure all obs are done, ensure doctors are aware of any obs that are abnormal, do what I can do help fix the obs such as give analgesia, get them something to drink, ask the doctor to prescribe more fluids, hang them fluids, then recheck the obs. Update the family while I do all of this. Ensure everything is documented, move onto the next patient and repeat. I work in a&e so I do this while the managing the unit, when the triage Que starts to build up I triage up to 20 patients an hour, while managing the unit and attending to patients I was looking after earlier. Now imagine doing this and the phone starts ringing, it’s the matrons asking me to investigate incidents or speak to pharmacy/the ward/attend a meeting. Phone rings again it’s a parent who wants to change their apt or they couldn’t get prescribed med anywhere, this is now something I have to fix. But my patients in the cubicles are going to breach (be in a&e for longer the 4 hours so to meet target need to be moved to the ward) I need to phone the ward to see if their ready, they will be in 5mins, great plenty of time to sort this prescription call them back and arrange for them to pick it up. Move the patient to the ward, come back down, start breaks, triage Que is now on 20 people, it’s 10am. It’s me and one other nurse and if I’m lucky and blessed a health care assistant. That is my life every day I go to work. I think that’s should allow me to earn enough to put on my heating thank you very much
Also forgot to mention the barrage of abuse I will get while trying to do all these jobs, the ‘I pay your wages’ crowd, the ‘I’ve been here for 20 mins with a sore throat you need to get me a doctor now’ crowd. I cry most days in work now. This isn’t what I signed up and left my home country for
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