I back them 100%. It’s not about “working” ie getting 16% (which they know they won’t, that’s their negotiation) it’s about action and disruption. They’re achieving that and I admire them.
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You do realise it’s not just about pay . It’s the protection of the nhs too , improving staff conditions and being understaffed . If we were all greedy and wanted more money , Myself and other nurses could easily hand our notice in tomorrow and join an agency and be on £40/£50 a hour and the nhs would be screwed with nobody to work for them and then it would all go privatised and the general public would realise they were better off before
I agree with this so much. Im not a nurse or health care but do work on wards at times, and it really is the health cares that do most of the work with the patients. In one departmebt ive worked at it was onmy the health care that were canular trained,i sometimes fail to see what nurses do other then hand out meds.I’m an ex nurse and would never go back because it’s just not nursing any more. I liked the hands on approach. Spending my day giving out meds and keyboard bashing and shouting for the healthcare assistant when a patient wants to go to the toilet is not my idea of nursing. My friend is an HCA and they do the bulk of the work, blood tests, taking observations, feeding, washing, dressings etc. They aren’t striking, if they did the NHS would fall apart.
Nurses are vital, but they aren’t in the real world if they think they are going to get 16 percent.
The NHS needs a massive overhaul starting with nurses training going back to basics, and stop relying on the overworked and poorly paid HCAs
Rant over
I agree that if there is a pay deal it should be for those who really need it, e.g band 6 and below. Nurses, HCAs etc do an absolutely high pressured job with so much responsibility that is not reflected in their pay.
But - I do not agree with the daily mail narrative that everyone who doesn't work frontline is essentially not needed and a slacker/pen pusher sitting about making tit decisions and giving the clinical staff the middle finger.
I work in an office based service improvement role in the health service and we absolutely work hard and care about our jobs, making the right decisions and doing the right things. Our conversations on decision making always come back to doing the right thing with the taxpayers money.
Without office and admin staff nothing would get organised, funded, contracted, scheduled etc.
Anyway on topic, I absolutely support the nurses and paramedics right to strike, just like I do the postal and rail workers, I just don't understand why Rishi won't even speak to them or try to negotiate.
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I fully support the strikes! Not just the nurses but every one on strike the government have the money they choose to spend it in the wrong areas! Inflation is up due to profits not wages
I support the strike and everything the nurses are striking for: fairer pay, safer staffing levels, better working conditions and not least better patient care.
I support the right to strike.
However I don't think nurses are as badly paid as is being made out.
However I don't think nurses are as badly paid as is being made out.
Just to put into comparison if our wages should match the cost of living energy wise , we should be on 62k a year , if it Matches food costs a year we should be on 37k a year , if it matches fuel costs we should be on 39k a year
yes it may seem we are on a lot but it doesn’t reflect the cost of living goimg Up , it’s the same for any job out there who thinks pay should be increased . You can’t increase all the bills and costs of living but not have our wages go up to reflect . Since 2010, we have had a pay cut of 8% so no I don’t think it’s cheeky to ask for a rise Of 4%
But no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
Absolutely agree with thisBut no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
The NHS has been deliberately underfunded for years to give the government the excuse it needs to sell more off to private companies which they either have shares or interest in, or from whom they receive donations. I know nurses who qualify for universal credit.
The figures the government quote regarding the costs of increasing pay are never correct. For a start, they recoup a percentage of the increase immediately as taxes.
I support all the strikers and the nurses have made a difficult decision to strike.
As for the argument someone made that strikes are somehow engineered by union bosses, it’s ludicrous, they follow the wishes of their members after a ballot. Every working person in this country, whether or not they were a member of a union themselves, has benefitted from union actions. Unions won many workers rights which are now enshrined in law, paid maternity leave being one for example. The only bargaining chip workers have is withdrawal of labour.
The figures the government quote regarding the costs of increasing pay are never correct. For a start, they recoup a percentage of the increase immediately as taxes.
I support all the strikers and the nurses have made a difficult decision to strike.
As for the argument someone made that strikes are somehow engineered by union bosses, it’s ludicrous, they follow the wishes of their members after a ballot. Every working person in this country, whether or not they were a member of a union themselves, has benefitted from union actions. Unions won many workers rights which are now enshrined in law, paid maternity leave being one for example. The only bargaining chip workers have is withdrawal of labour.
I agree with this, which is why I'll always support the right to strike, whether I agree with the reason or not. Everyone benefits at some point.
I hugely support the strikes…of all industries! It completely sticks in my throat that in less than a generation this government have made living (not owning) in a house unaffordable for many working families, whilst shareholders, the owning classes and billionaires grow their wealth exponentially
However I fear for what will happen because I know the government do not care that people will die and they will not blink first…
In terms of the future of the NHS and social care we need to accept that the natural human lifespan is 70-75 years and anything beyond that is either miserable or unaffordable for most under a Tory government. Old people need to shuffle off at the appropriate time to pass on housing stock and wealth to their descendants (not me, I have no family left)
However I fear for what will happen because I know the government do not care that people will die and they will not blink first…
In terms of the future of the NHS and social care we need to accept that the natural human lifespan is 70-75 years and anything beyond that is either miserable or unaffordable for most under a Tory government. Old people need to shuffle off at the appropriate time to pass on housing stock and wealth to their descendants (not me, I have no family left)
I was making reference to saying nurses aren’t badly paidBut no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
Nurses alongside every other job profession are in the same boat , nobody’s wages are going up to reflect cost of living . Everyone is struggling , some have to look for other jobs because they can’t afford to drive every day for their job I.E community nurses . Having to pick up extra shifts losing out on family time
So why are we made out to be the bad guys and got To breaking point and said look enough is enough we are balloting and striking so we can be heard
You're not the bad guys. You can strike.
I'm saying that nurses aren't badly paid. That's it.
Average salary in the UK is about 27k. Average nurses salary is about 33k.
Do I think you should be paid more. Absolutely.
Do I think I should be paid more. Absolutely. I work hard too.
I guess I'm fed up with the strapline of nurses work soooo hard. You do. Everyone does.
It's not personal.
I am a midwife and 100% in favour of the strikes. 8 years qualified and I no longer work in a contract. I quit to do agency and another flexi job away from the NHS. Morally I don’t agree with what I’m doing however I feel a million times better in myself and I had to prioritise that. I didn’t realise just how unwell I was. The working conditions are horrific and although people think HCAs do all the care (and god they work bloody hard and are grossly underpaid) they don’t have the responsibility that a nurse/midwife does. They’re not risking their registration every shift (a registration we have to pay for every year). Morale is so low and people (like myself) are leaving constantly which doesn’t help the problem however doing agency keeps me in the profession. I don’t work anywhere near as much and can handle the tit easier. Sunday I worked 15 hours with no break. Left two hours late. I couldn’t just leave. Someone came in labouring and there was no one to look after her. Was I at the peak? No. Could something have easily been missed/overseen because I was so exhausted? Absolutely! People are talking about the strikes putting people at risk but people are being put at risk every day because of what has been left of the workforce.
Also, with nursing the majority are band 5’s. Look at their pay. The government are trying to make out they’re paid a lot more than they actually are. That shows what they care about.
Also, with nursing the majority are band 5’s. Look at their pay. The government are trying to make out they’re paid a lot more than they actually are. That shows what they care about.
And everyone should strikeBut no one's pay has gone up with the cost of living crisis... This is the bit I don't get.
Everyone works hard and everyone believes they should be paid more.
I don't know anyone who has had a pay rise in line with inflation. We're all struggling not just nurses
I can tell you what I doI give life saving medication that has to be drawn up to the decimal point and work out how to dilute it/give it. Be aware of current blood results and other meds incase it contradicts the need for blend. Double check all doses. Repeat this maybe 10 -15 times a shift. Manage the unit and my own patient work load, ensure all obs are done, ensure doctors are aware of any obs that are abnormal, do what I can do help fix the obs such as give analgesia, get them something to drink, ask the doctor to prescribe more fluids, hang them fluids, then recheck the obs. Update the family while I do all of this. Ensure everything is documented, move onto the next patient and repeat. I work in a&e so I do this while the managing the unit, when the triage Que starts to build up I triage up to 20 patients an hour, while managing the unit and attending to patients I was looking after earlier. Now imagine doing this and the phone starts ringing, it’s the matrons asking me to investigate incidents or speak to pharmacy/the ward/attend a meeting. Phone rings again it’s a parent who wants to change their apt or they couldn’t get prescribed med anywhere, this is now something I have to fix. But my patients in the cubicles are going to breach (be in a&e for longer the 4 hours so to meet target need to be moved to the ward) I need to phone the ward to see if their ready, they will be in 5mins, great plenty of time to sort this prescription call them back and arrange for them to pick it up. Move the patient to the ward, come back down, start breaks, triage Que is now on 20 people, it’s 10am. It’s me and one other nurse and if I’m lucky and blessed a health care assistant. That is my life every day I go to work. I think that’s should allow me to earn enough to put on my heating thank you very much
Also forgot to mention the barrage of abuse I will get while trying to do all these jobs, the ‘I pay your wages’ crowd, the ‘I’ve been here for 20 mins with a sore throat you need to get me a doctor now’ crowd. I cry most days in work now. This isn’t what I signed up and left my home country for
And then doing all that knowing the ward/clinic is down another qualified member of staff or two…it’s phenomenally stressful, both physically (all the running and lifting) and mentally (the calculations and balancing of risk)
I give life saving medication that has to be drawn up to the decimal point and work out how to dilute it/give it. Be aware of current blood results and other meds incase it contradicts the need for blend. Double check all doses. Repeat this maybe 10 -15 times a shift. Manage the unit and my own patient work load, ensure all obs are done, ensure doctors are aware of any obs that are abnormal, do what I can do help fix the obs such as give analgesia, get them something to drink, ask the doctor to prescribe more fluids, hang them fluids, then recheck the obs. Update the family while I do all of this. Ensure everything is documented, move onto the next patient and repeat. I work in a&e so I do this while the managing the unit, when the triage Que starts to build up I triage up to 20 patients an hour, while managing the unit and attending to patients I was looking after earlier. Now imagine doing this and the phone starts ringing, it’s the matrons asking me to investigate incidents or speak to pharmacy/the ward/attend a meeting. Phone rings again it’s a parent who wants to change their apt or they couldn’t get prescribed med anywhere, this is now something I have to fix. But my patients in the cubicles are going to breach (be in a&e for longer the 4 hours so to meet target need to be moved to the ward) I need to phone the ward to see if their ready, they will be in 5mins, great plenty of time to sort this prescription call them back and arrange for them to pick it up. Move the patient to the ward, come back down, start breaks, triage Que is now on 20 people, it’s 10am. It’s me and one other nurse and if I’m lucky and blessed a health care assistant. That is my life every day I go to work. I think that’s should allow me to earn enough to put on my heating thank you very much
Oh and you forgot all the ambulances are piled up in resus getting their patients in but we can’t get anybody out of A&e onto wards because all the ward discharges can’t get home because there’s no ambulances to take them home because They’re all outside of A&e
I give life saving medication that has to be drawn up to the decimal point and work out how to dilute it/give it. Be aware of current blood results and other meds incase it contradicts the need for blend. Double check all doses. Repeat this maybe 10 -15 times a shift. Manage the unit and my own patient work load, ensure all obs are done, ensure doctors are aware of any obs that are abnormal, do what I can do help fix the obs such as give analgesia, get them something to drink, ask the doctor to prescribe more fluids, hang them fluids, then recheck the obs. Update the family while I do all of this. Ensure everything is documented, move onto the next patient and repeat. I work in a&e so I do this while the managing the unit, when the triage Que starts to build up I triage up to 20 patients an hour, while managing the unit and attending to patients I was looking after earlier. Now imagine doing this and the phone starts ringing, it’s the matrons asking me to investigate incidents or speak to pharmacy/the ward/attend a meeting. Phone rings again it’s a parent who wants to change their apt or they couldn’t get prescribed med anywhere, this is now something I have to fix. But my patients in the cubicles are going to breach (be in a&e for longer the 4 hours so to meet target need to be moved to the ward) I need to phone the ward to see if their ready, they will be in 5mins, great plenty of time to sort this prescription call them back and arrange for them to pick it up. Move the patient to the ward, come back down, start breaks, triage Que is now on 20 people, it’s 10am. It’s me and one other nurse and if I’m lucky and blessed a health care assistant. That is my life every day I go to work. I think that’s should allow me to earn enough to put on my heating thank you very much
Also forgot to mention the barrage of abuse I will get while trying to do all these jobs, the ‘I pay your wages’ crowd, the ‘I’ve been here for 20 mins with a sore throat you need to get me a doctor now’ crowd. I cry most days in work now. This isn’t what I signed up and left my home country for
