IdeletedbutI'mbackagain
VIP Member
No it's not is it!? Ya see this is the exact sort of language I was on about, what's the point in needlessly slinging insults and demeaning others intelligence!? All it serves is the posters ego. It's so reductive.
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markcorriganscrisps
VIP Member
The percentage of non-UK nationals living in council housing is really, really small (less than 5%). We've already seen the impact of fewer doctors, nurses and care workers from overseas and it's only going to get worse. It really isn't these people taking up housing or doctor's appointments, it's the absolute desecration of public services and funding and it's been happening for such a long time. Sending people to Rwanda is not going to get British people a house or a GP appointment any quicker. Germany have a lower population and higher immigration rates and they manage just fine.We have way too much immigration for a small island. Cut it in half and watch things improve- it would free up housing for a start. Baby stepsOf course immigration's not the only issue and austerity HAS had an impact, but it does contribute
It's not about being callous towards migrants in need, but we get it ALL and we can't cope. There needs to be more of a balance
SharkAttack
VIP Member
Agree with all of this. I actually voted for him this morning as I think he is a decent person.
Oh dear. We don't get it all. The UK ranked 16th when compared with the 27 EU countries for the number of asylum claims granted in 2021. Stop believing the shit that Farage comes out with.We have way too much immigration for a small island. Cut it in half and watch things improve- it would free up housing for a start. Baby steps
It's not about being callous towards migrants in need, but we get it ALL and we can't cope. There needs to be more of a balance
soph30
VIP Member
That’s not very constructive is it. If you made a point that wasn’t so hyperbolic (comparing him to a murderer) we might be able to see why you don’t like him
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Corfu-blue
Well-known member
It resonated with me and I'm neither. We're chocka. Why are you so sure you're right?
soph30
VIP Member
He’s probably just taking it on the chin, if he shows he’s upset it will just encourage them
A lot of his immigration views seem to be muddied with racism, which I actually think is quite racist in itself. People are always shocked when black Brits for example say they like him, like they think the black Brits.. aren’t British and don’t like Britain and want the best for the country? Because of their skin colour?
We're all entitled to change our minds and opinions over the years.
A few years ago, a friend gave off stink about 'so many foreigners coming to live in the UK'. I was outraged by this declaration and told him that we were so fortunate to be living a decent life and taking it for granted, and why shouldn't other poor souls who lived in horrible, poverty-stricken countries have the right to come here and have a slice of living an equally decent life.
Then, after a few years of seeing what the UK has become, with people arriving here in droves, intent on turning our nation into the ones they'd left behind, demanding this & that. So many cities now almost no-go areas for white people, and horrible, archaic rituals/cultures carried out in the name of religion ie children, girls and even animals - I'm afraid I now see his point, and I regret arguing with him because I see now that he was right to be concerned.
No-one with any decency about them wants to deny anyone else a chance of a better life, but I know if I was to escape any horrible regime/war-torn country, etc, wanting a better life for myself and my children, I think I'd be happy to live by their laws. I'd certainly not be showing my gratitude by turning on the very country that was good enough to take me in and start demanding the host country accommodated every horrible ritual that British people find offensive and abhorrent. FGM, Honour killings, Sharia Law, animal sacrifices (and even children sacrifices!) to name but a few.
A few years ago, a friend gave off stink about 'so many foreigners coming to live in the UK'. I was outraged by this declaration and told him that we were so fortunate to be living a decent life and taking it for granted, and why shouldn't other poor souls who lived in horrible, poverty-stricken countries have the right to come here and have a slice of living an equally decent life.
Then, after a few years of seeing what the UK has become, with people arriving here in droves, intent on turning our nation into the ones they'd left behind, demanding this & that. So many cities now almost no-go areas for white people, and horrible, archaic rituals/cultures carried out in the name of religion ie children, girls and even animals - I'm afraid I now see his point, and I regret arguing with him because I see now that he was right to be concerned.
No-one with any decency about them wants to deny anyone else a chance of a better life, but I know if I was to escape any horrible regime/war-torn country, etc, wanting a better life for myself and my children, I think I'd be happy to live by their laws. I'd certainly not be showing my gratitude by turning on the very country that was good enough to take me in and start demanding the host country accommodated every horrible ritual that British people find offensive and abhorrent. FGM, Honour killings, Sharia Law, animal sacrifices (and even children sacrifices!) to name but a few.
Corfu-blue
Well-known member
Agree with all of this
SharkAttack
VIP Member
OK so that’s equivalent to a city bigger than Hull arriving every year, needing all the infrastructure that Hull needs: doctors/schools/social workers/housing
Where does the money come from for all that?
Where does the money come from for all that?
BasilRathbon
Well-known member
And you're an immense twat for using the crude americanism "gotten". Learn to speak English, you illiterate moron!
Wynonna
Chatty Member
I'm from London and that's not always true
soph30
VIP Member
To be honest the reason why he appeals to a lot of people is because he actually proposes solutions for issues real people care about. Immigration is AN issue, but it’s not the only issue by far. Get a left winger to do a hard hitting poster about the appalling way some of the disabled and poor are treated in this country and that would also resonate with a lot of people. But all the left seem to do is go “oh, racist” whenever immigration is mentioned and “it’s the Tories” if the subject is money for services or poverty. So discussions are never had
Nigel also upholds British culture and values, and patriotism is so important. A lot of people feel left behind as we seem to be being everything to everybody at the moment for fear of offending. That’s nothing to do with skin colour.
Nigel also upholds British culture and values, and patriotism is so important. A lot of people feel left behind as we seem to be being everything to everybody at the moment for fear of offending. That’s nothing to do with skin colour.
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The'Liberal', self-righteous usually are the most mean and intolerant people.What gesture did Lygo actually make? Middle finger?
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Do you reckon Nigey’s just sat at home all day smoking and watching 21 hours of footage haha
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Some mean people
SharkAttack
VIP Member
Well that was my point really Mark. Farage and crew just don’t say or think ‘plebs’ - I think that’s a really dated term and also just not true.
Nowadays it’s the Left who look down on the poorer end of society, dismissing their fears of not being able to access decent schools, healthcare or social housing as they see waves of immigrants arriving and being put up in hotels, given flats etc. I have friends living with not much money in London council estates who aren’t racist, just scared they cannot access basic things and angry as they see new arrivals being catered for.
I think, as you suggest, that it’s the Left who view eg Brexit voters as thick plebs, albeit not using that word. And it’s my richest friends (some with Coutts and Hoare’s accounts!) who vote Labour now, while the poorer ones absolutely don’t. The rich ones aren’t touched by mass immigration - they have private healthcare, private schools and private housing.
The council estate ones are now wondering who to vote for as the Tories are appalling now. But I think Labour not being keen to describe what a woman is will probably swing them back to vote Tory when push comes to shove.
I don’t know who I’d vote for now. Not a clue.
[Love your Tabitha line! I literally know a Tabitha (different name but just as unusual) who helps out at her food bank, pictures herself helping out at her food bank, and endlessly disses Brexit voters as thick. Come election time she’ll be preaching to the converted about voting Labour but it won’t sway anyone know in the estates round here]
Nowadays it’s the Left who look down on the poorer end of society, dismissing their fears of not being able to access decent schools, healthcare or social housing as they see waves of immigrants arriving and being put up in hotels, given flats etc. I have friends living with not much money in London council estates who aren’t racist, just scared they cannot access basic things and angry as they see new arrivals being catered for.
I think, as you suggest, that it’s the Left who view eg Brexit voters as thick plebs, albeit not using that word. And it’s my richest friends (some with Coutts and Hoare’s accounts!) who vote Labour now, while the poorer ones absolutely don’t. The rich ones aren’t touched by mass immigration - they have private healthcare, private schools and private housing.
The council estate ones are now wondering who to vote for as the Tories are appalling now. But I think Labour not being keen to describe what a woman is will probably swing them back to vote Tory when push comes to shove.
I don’t know who I’d vote for now. Not a clue.
[Love your Tabitha line! I literally know a Tabitha (different name but just as unusual) who helps out at her food bank, pictures herself helping out at her food bank, and endlessly disses Brexit voters as thick. Come election time she’ll be preaching to the converted about voting Labour but it won’t sway anyone know in the estates round here]
