Michael Jackson

[Sir Lancelot]

As an artist, MJ was incredible and truly a genius.

As a person, he was deeply flawed and throughly broken by his father and his upbringing and by being famous since being a boy.

His behaviour, whether you believe he was up to no good or not, was strange to say the least.

Should we stop listening to his music?
No.
Art and artist are always two different things; otherwise we'd lose everyone from Elvis to Bowie to who-knows-who else.

I do still think he started to looklike Michael Morbius by the end, though...

 

[GiggleBee]

Jimmy Saville is dead and can’t defend himself, Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a weirdo ffs.

MJ is such an icon that people don’t WANT to believe it. There’s a lot of evidence and statements from other people that don’t look good on him

He was never going to say when he was alive ‘yeah I’m into young boys’ was he. Let’s be realistic

I just think that once a person is dead it should be laid to rest.

 

[Horatio]

Yes I have x

I watched the documentary and I believed they had been abused. It's very convincing and upsetting. But I wanted to look into it further. There's a good documentary on YouTube called entering Neverland which is an eye opener. Wade is so shady. I just thought, Michael isn't here to defend himself and it's only fair I took a look at the other side x

Ok fair enough. I was asking genuinely and wondered how anyone could watch it and not believe them so I will look into these things.
I do think the argument of him “‘not being here to defend himself” is a weak one though. In fact him being dead is quite clearly what seems to be empowering people to speak - his power was too great when he was alive. People were scared.
And no one said that about Jimmy Saville - because he doesn’t have a devoted fan base determined to defend him.
But still, as I said, I will look into your links.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Either way,I really can't bring myself to listen to any of his songs anymore,which is a huge shame. It just feels so wrong...

 

[Abominatrix]

They asked potential jurors if they were fans and many either said they weren't or they could be impartial which clearly wasn't true. It happens more than people realise.

Another reason celebrity worship she be scorned by society. People are way too willing to protect the stars they love out of some warped and misplaced loyalties. It happens at all levels of criminal investigation, prosection, and even in family services departments. The wrong fan gets hold of a case and purposefully lets a monster off as easily as they can.

 

[Abominatrix]

I am an ex superfan that now sees him as the creep he is. Can’t stand his music and can’t believe it is still played it on the radio in public. Let alone trying to promote a stage show and movie WTF no way. Both would be so biased and not reveal the truth.

Side not: what parent would allow their kids to have sleepovers with a grown man? If I were one of his victims I’d be pissed at my parents.

Hollywood is absolutely overflowing with them, parents who want fame/wealth for themselves or their children and will do anything to get it.

I don't doubt that some of the parents were successfully manipulated by an absolute master of the game (that Peter Pan bullshit of his was worth its weight in gold, it's still doing the work of making people think he's just an overgrown child) but there are a number for sure that didn't care and were happy to look the other way.

Hell, I'm still reeling after watching a horrible story about a woman who basically let a total stranger walk off with her daughter for the promise of a WalMart gift card and some McDonald's.

 

[shellie]

Hmm the movie is being slated but die-hard MJ fans will love it.

I do find it curious that no mention is made of the allegations it seems. But it’s a film for fans.

I will not watch it, I know of his irregular and abusive childhood. I know he was a very talented star. I saw him in concert and he was more than amazing.

I do believe he was a paedophile. A paedophile who did a lot of good, but a paedophile nevertheless.

Seemingly they did shoot stuff and the original ending was just after he was arrested. Part of the deal when he paid off Jordy was he or his likeness couldn't be used in anything on screen but the idiot lawyers didn't look into it before filming so it had to be scrapped and scenes reshot.

Inside the ‘Michael’ Overhaul: $15 Million Reshoots, Removing Child Abuse Allegations and What’s in Store for Sequels

'Michael' underwent reshoots that cost $10 million or more in order to scrap an original ending that included the child abuse allegations against him.

variety.com

 

[Web30]

Iv watched the first part today. Now iv read and seen so much about Wade and his pushy stage mum that i just dont believe him at all. Jimmy iv not really heard much about. Im not falling for it though, i just dont look at mj as someone who would do those things to a kid.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

Hmm the movie is being slated but die-hard MJ fans will love it.

I do find it curious that no mention is made of the allegations it seems. But it’s a film for fans.

I will not watch it, I know of his irregular and abusive childhood. I know he was a very talented star. I saw him in concert and he was more than amazing.

I do believe he was a paedophile. A paedophile who did a lot of good, but a paedophile nevertheless.

 

[Dotty Merton]

I had no idea Jackson took inspiration from this 1974 film. It’s uncanny to see.

MJ pinched sooo many of those moves, and the addition of the little prince just sitting watching is eerie as feck.

 

[KINGAA]

why would MJ beg young male fans to share his bed? beg their parents, pay them off with gifts.

MJ was enabled, he was a huge star back then with an entourage of enablers keen to keep his dirty secrets hidden.

I believe MJ was a paedophile. I was a big fan and went to see him in an amazing concert.

he shouldn’t have shared his bed with kids, he was proud of it, announcing how natural it was on more than one occasion.

It was either Mark Ronson or Culkin brothers that said he never shared the actual bed, his room was apparently like an apartment and had multiple bedrooms or something and the kids would sleep in one and him in another which was in another part or something and his security would be with him. I don’t remember which celeb said it or which doc it was said in or there was something like he’d actually leave and not sleep there - allegedly.

I think he was VERY stupid to do that and his team were careless to allow it to ever happen! Again, don’t think he’s innocent but I don’t think he’s fully guilty and clearly had issues. I think he was on the spectrum if im honest and didn’t fully comprehend he was a grown adult.

With Weinstein and Epstein it was very black and white with evidence so it’s just so bizarre to me that MJ’s case lack a shred of something, like nothing at all. Even the 2005 trial had next to nothing and Sony settled not MJ , he didn’t want to settle. It’s just not adding up, it’s what I can’t get my head around.

 

[Islawight]

The standard of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. The jury had reasonable doubt.

I think having cameras and recordings of the bedroom if MJ was innocent of the abuse would open up another can of worms...

I feel that Michael was innocent but I also understand why people think he isn't. To me the stories of the alleged victims just don't add up and they have some shady behaviours around MJ (selling his underwear...seriously...it is totally fucked up).

I find it difficult to believe that someone who is innocent of these allegations would continually put himself in a situation without backup proof that it’s just an innocent cuddle in bed.

 

[Ivegone]

We are never going to agree on this.. you find him guilty with out proof and just hear say from the accusers. people close to him and the time lines ect have changed constantly, I find him innocent because there is not one single bit of evidence.

I hope we can agree that these new claims are for money. Wade & cascio family demanded a payout and the estate has refused this, would they of came forward with these claims if the estate paid out? I highly doubt it.

These lies ( my opinion ) must be hurting his family so bad, prince defends his dad, Paris has obviously struggled so bad, I read she self harmed and was addicted to drugs at a early age, bigi just looks lost. He’s been dead for 17 year and still this continues.

People read too much shit. We are a nation of guilable sheep that read things and believe anything

 

[Belleeyes]

I haven't had a chance to see the doc yet, but from what I've heard it could be convincing.

There's definitely something wrong, everyone can agree that sleeping with young boys is wrong even if nothing happened. Boundaries were crossed.

What I don't understand though, is the fact that the parents were okay with these sleepovers? Everyone is having a go at the parents of the Abuducted in Plain Sight documentary, quite rightly. Why isn't it as clear cut in this case?

I still am in two minds, having heard that there were lawsuits against Jackson's estate that didn't come to anything, and that they testified for him but now are coming out and saying they lied under oath?

It seems a bit suspect that now they aren't benefiting from their relationship with him, now they have produced this documentary.

Also I hate that on Twitter and elsewhere that people are saying that if I dont believe these two particular people I am victim blaming, and I am contributing to why victims don't come forward in a general sense.

I have no doubt the relationships were not conventional and definitely crossed some boundarys. But I also don't want to ignore that the parents continued to support these 'friendships' as they benefited from them on a lot of ways, as did these two men. Plus their testimonials under oath. I just don't think it is as clear cut I'm afraid.

 

[KINGAA]

I watched it, it added nothing new at all. Just felt like a reminder that this thing potentially happened. I still cannot bring myself to believe either of them. They’ve lied waaaay too much and changed stories too many times. I don’t think MJ was innocent but Wade especially is dodgy AF.

I get the fact why it’s thrown out, MJ Productions is not and never was Michael is was his business to run his music and tours therefore nothing to do with the situation so suing that for the hundreds of millions they’re asking for is kinda pointless - esp as MJ was broke so where is that money coming from???? It’s like suing the whole company because of a CEO, when it should be the CEO. Of whom is dead and cannot defend.

what has never added up to me, is how the FBI watched MJ for years, tapped in on everything and found absolutely nothing, not a shred of evidence… it’s just odd!

 

[Miss Havisham]

But he never got away? And wasn’t hiding in plain sight like Saville - the conversation has been ongoing for years, he went to court, he went under the FBI investigations multiple times, he was never convicted.

He has been in the public court of law for 33 years and it will never ever end because as the public we see him generally as guilty because it’s hard to fathom why a grown ass man was having sleep overs and giving minors alcohol etc. It’s all layers of messed up but he never got away with anything really, he was done and over since that first case. The only thing people want now is millions of dollars, but these families were fine with shipping their kids off to him though at the time… like I know grooming is a thing but come on, really letting a grown man be alone and share a bed with your child. They wanted his money, the parents of these children who are suing should also be cross examined if these go to court.

I agree - the parents of those (then) children, should be answerable. He played on the notion that he was a Peter Pan figure and an odd ball. I now find him to be very manipulative. He was probably right when he said he was falsely accused, as it is sort of inevitable that someone will falsely accuse a man of his wealth and fame. I feel he conveniently hid behind a couple of false accusations, whilst he was actually abusing children.

 

[Pretty Hate Machine]

To me he seemed like the most asexual man on the planet. I know he had supposed relationships but nothing of any substance. They looked like publicity stunts for both parties. The marriage to Lisa Marie was weird. His obsession with looking like Liz Taylor and Liza minelli was in line with feeling more feminine than masculine. I think if anything he was a gay man in the closet. Am I right in that no girl children were invited into his bed? Not a question just to you but a general question.

I always thought the same about no girl children, but I read an article the other day that talked about a payoff to a female child. It was accompanied by a 90 something page court document which talked quite graphically about the abuse (I would highly recommend not reading or scanning it) I'll have a quick look later and see if I can find where I saw it.

 

[Venuslurker]

I would so love to know what the deal is with those kids. It seems very unlikely that they are genetically his.

He was quite happy for them to not have a mum which is just so selfish and sad.

And prince's angelic blonde hair when he was little was suss.

 

[Twinkle6]

People are starting to notice every time there is something MJ lucrative there’s media slander and some sort of law suit/grifter asking for money. There is a definite pattern.

1993 – Chandler allegations: Emerged during the Dangerous Tour, at a time when the tour was generating massive revenue and Michael Jackson was consolidating control over his catalog assets.

2003 – Arvizo allegations: Surfaced as Jackson was preparing the Number Ones compilation and negotiating his exit from Sony, positioning himself for independent monetization of his catalog as a free agent.

2013–2014 – Robson and Safechuck civil filings: Filed amid a surge in posthumous estate revenue, with Cirque du Soleil shows running and catalog valuation rising toward the eventual $750 million Sony buyout.

2019 – Leaving Neverland: Released as the estate was preparing a Broadway musical and finalizing the latter phase of the Sony/ATV transaction.

2026 – Cascio lawsuit: Surfaced the same weekend Lionsgate released the estate-partnered biopic, which was projected to significantly boost catalog interest and merchandising.

Also Leaving Neverland rushed into Toronto film festival the day Harvey Weinsteins trial started.

I’ve always been on the fence with everything but is it true that not one of the accusers pushed for criminalisation, it was always about compensation? If he was such a bastard wouldn’t you want him off the streets?

This is where I fear one of two things - that none of it were true, or that some of it was and others have hopped onto the whole thing of the back of true victims. The Cascios are at it. They even named one of their daughters after him.

I don’t think the media has helped at all. The truth is so far buried under sensationalism at this point.

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

I can't believe the jurors danced to his music. Even if you're a fan, doing that shows the highest level of disrespect for the victims of the very serious accusations they had to deliberate on. Of course people like that were going to exonerate him no matter the evidence.

I saw it on another podcast where they interviewed a few of the jurors.