Michael Jackson

[AllSeeingEye123]

They left out all the scandal so it's not a real life biography. It's telling Paris won't go to any of the premieres.

 

[PurvyPanda]

Really enjoy reading everyone’s opinions on MJ. I always thought he was guilty because I naively thought why would you pay someone out when you’re innocent. I keep seeing things popping up on my Instagram feed of people saying that MJ died because of the whole Epstein thing (again something I’m not fully clued up on!) why are these theorists saying that all the celebs that died early or took their own life was because they knew about Epstein

If it isn't Epstein, then it's Israel, reptilian overlords, aliens, or we are in the Matrix.

 

[Dexy]

Really enjoy reading everyone’s opinions on MJ. I always thought he was guilty because I naively thought why would you pay someone out when you’re innocent. I keep seeing things popping up on my Instagram feed of people saying that MJ died because of the whole Epstein thing (again something I’m not fully clued up on!) why are these theorists saying that all the celebs that died early or took their own life was because they knew about Epstein

Evan Chandler ( the boy’s father ) demanded $20 million before going to police. Secret recordings reveal him saying “ if I go through with this, I win big. “ You can find this phone call online.
The insurance company settled the civil case, not Michael Jackson. Civil cases can proceed before criminal cases. Michael Jackson wanted to wait but was advised that settling prevented testimony being used against him in a criminal trial that never happened - because the DA had no case.
The civil case going first infringed on his human rights to a fair trial. Once they got the payout the chandlers weren’t bothered about going forward with a criminal trial. California actually changed its laws after this because of this situation.

I’m not massively educated on all the legal background but there’s a woman on TikTok called Nicole Marie - she explains it all much better and answers people’s questions in full. Go check her out.

Epstein is a whole seperate rabbit hole! Was he killed off? Who knows? The only mention of Michael Jackson in the Epstein files was when he was buying some property.

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

I doubt they were up having a party in the court room, I think anyone would find it had not to have a little seat dance to most music.
I didnt realise the documentary was played as evidence, surely they should have shown unedited footage that was concerning if they had to show anything related to Martin Bashier

Really? You think anyone would find that hard during a child sex abuse case? So if you end up on the jury of a rape case but they play a little bit of MJ you’re gonna dance are you?

 

[Web30]

I don't know how anyone could watch Leaving Neverland and not believe those men. It was one of the most compelling and heartbreaking things I've ever watched, that was 6-7 years ago and everyone just brushed over it.

Now with this new biopic that's a total biased account produced by (and starring) his family, I wonder if the conversation will come up again.

I didnt believe them, not fully. One of the story's took place in a building that didnt exist till years later for a start.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I actually don't think he did abuse the celebrity kids, or at least not all of them, because then he had credible people to defend him.

A lot of his supporters use Culkin's defence of him as "proof" he never did anything.

Culkin's family were already well off so MJ wasn't able to buy their silence. That's why he never did anything to him. He knew what he was doing. He was very calculated.

 

[Tothemoonandback]

Completely understand @vikka but Wade Robson deliberately concealed his emails and book drafts from the court (in his multi million pound civil suit against the MJ estate). The documents he tried to hide from the court make for interesting reading.

I cried after the MJ documentary, I felt so sad for those poor boys. But having done some research I’m now angry that I was so misled as a viewer. Recipients of false accusations are victims too. I don’t know if these are false but everyone even Fred West deserves a fair trial, not a one sided hit piece that leaves out so much key information.

I say this as a victim of abuse.

I noticed after the documentary, Wade Robson set up a “charity fund” registered in Hawaii (so no need to declare what happens to the money). The minimum donation he was accepting was 250 dollars. I feel very uneasy about this amongst other things.

 

[Libertine1975]

Iv said on here before, there wasn't a bigger MJ fan than me- I even named my son after him. When I was little I never believed the allegations, however since I became a mum and iv got older I have changed my view on some things. I now look at his need and desire to hang around with so many kids as really concerning and unhealthy. But then I do stop and think about his own upbringing. He was born in Gary Indiana, and the house he shared with all his brothers and sisters only had 2 bedrooms. They shared beds and so his memories of his 'normal' childhood would have held this core memory, hence his insistence on sharing a bed being 'normal' I feel sorry for Michael as a little boy because he was a little boy that should have been protected, like most children stars. But instead he was beaten by his dad, forced to be the perfect performer, dragged around sketchy clubs and then sold to the highest bidders. He didnt have peers around him to have a benchmark for social development, he was around older men in the music business. Men with money and power, who promised him 'i can make you the biggest star' ...He was a little black boy in a country and time that was still dealing with racism quite heavily. Iv always believed that he most probably was sexually abused as a child- and I think as he entered his later teenage years his hormones and trauma of that caused him to be withdrawn and developed his 'weirdness' that we see in later life. He obviously never dealt with the trauma and because he became so powerful and wealthy he did what he wanted and there was no one there for him to answer to. And because of his success from an early age I really don't think we can compare him to a normal person. He was the most famous man on earth, reclusive and surrounded by sycophants. Can you imagine how this develops your personality? He would have been a raging narcissist for a start. And I think that unfortunately, all of these issues and his arrested development were displayed in his weirdness.i also think his skin disorder and his plastic surgery made his outer appearance seem just as bizzare as his personality which didn't help the public to understand him. We couldn't understand him because he was so far removed from our own lives.
But my heart breaks for that little boy that he once was. If we can have sympathy for his alleged victims, surely we must extend our sympathy to him as a little boy. They were all victims.
Do I think he was a PDF? I think he always displayed red flags, you would be silly to think he didn't. There's no way I'd have allowed my son around him. Did he act on his PDF feelings? Again, who knows. I wasnt there. I don't find many of his accusers credible- there are too many holes jn their testimony and they always seem to go after the money. If someone came out who didn't have anything to gain financially then I would find that more concerning. I never liked his protestations that he 'never hurt a child' I'd have much preferred him to say 'I never sexually abused a child' and I always felt it quite telling that he was so emphatic with that statement 'I would kill myself before I hurt a child' because I believe he was being truthful here, he wouldn't ever physically hurt a child. It's almost like an admission of guilt in his denial. Because he doesn't actually address the sexual allegations does he? I'd love to see a statement analysis on his denials.
I think he made terrible decisions and had no emotional intelligence, he just acted like a grown toddler who demanded everything his own way. He didn't like to be told no.
If he was a PDF I dont think he ever believed he was one, I think he was in denial of a lot of things in his life. I find it sad that the most famous black man in the world, who paved the way for so many black artists ended up drug addicted and died as a result of it. Its the same story all over the world now....look at skid row...thousands upon thousands of men and women, who had abuse in childhood, who live and die for their next fix....Michael was just the same. Joe Jackson wanted so much more for his son, but look where he ended up.

I think you and I have a similar opinion on the matter. I don't feel like he did anything but I can't also say he was innocent.

There are a lot of things that don't add up with the accusers and there are major credibility issues with most of them from what I have seen.

I try and look at a wide range of sources and not just things that defend MJ.

There is a clip with the 2005 accuser Gavin where he says about sleeping in Michael's bed and Michael does say that he (Michael) slept on the floor.

Ultimately we will never know for sure what did and didn't happen.

 

[Abominatrix]

Jafar really came into it during the Thriller and Bad eras. His dancing and mannerisms were incredible. The guy playing Joseph was really good too. I may have to see it again...

Those are the best era for MJ, anyway. He still looked human and wasn't grabbing his dick all the time in his performances.

Definitely going to see it myself, I do so love that crappy The Jacksons: an American Dream or whatever that VH1 mini-series was called. Fascinating family, giant mess that they often are.

 

[Abominatrix]

I can only see the marriage as an absolute sham. Married in May 94, Presley filed for divorce in January 96.
I have scented diffusers that lasted longer.

There is nothing to suggest that the marriage was authentic in any way, but then it looked very orchestrated - following allegations against him.

All his interactions with adult women were weird, with the exception of more motherly figures like Liz Taylor. I still remember that weird kiss with Presley on the Mtv awards, being rather young at the time even then I thought it was uncomfortable and odd.

 

[shellie]

Totally agree with everything you've wrote! Even down to the stuff about Diana, I dont think of her as the saint the world seems to either

What really annoys me is she was always portrayed as the victim, hamming it up in interviews like when said 'There were three of us in the marriage' when she hereself was the other woman to several married men when married to Charles and after they divorced with a few wives/girlfriends calling her out on it. Dodi also had a girlfriend when she got with him, something a lot of people forget as well as the fact that she was giving interviews hinting about marriage when even friends said it was for attention and would have got bored with him pretty soon and was only using him to piss off people. There is no denying she did do a lot of good things but there are still far too many people who have rose tinted glasses where she is concerned, same as with Michael.

 

[Web30]

Jafar is incredible, was worried as the reviews weren't great but its such a good film, definitely made for the fans.

 

[Piff paff puff]

So if he was the best dad as they have claimed what is it of your or my business if they are biologically his. Honestly the crap people write in papers and it just escalates.

Imagine living a life where you have to prove every move in life to everyone. Even in death people are still wanting to invade his private life

Unfortunately that's the price of fame and this is after all a forum where within the rules we can all opine and disagree and agree. I don't do social media or news in any form and I've never followed Pop culture to any degree so I don't know the details of any news articles but I love a bit of tattle
If you believe MJ is great, was a great person, great dad, great entertainer then that's great.

 

[Dexy]

Still can't get away from the fact he let (mostly)young boys in his bed. Whatever the facts,this is wrong surely??

Of course facts matter! I think he was maybe naive or eccentric but it doesn’t automatically mean sexual behaviour between adult and child if you are a normal human being. He’d grown up in the limelight, I don’t think he had a grasp on what we would call normal behaviour. How could you? Everyone knows your face since five years old. But that still doesn’t make me label him a pedophile.
Most importantly though in court the mother said they only visited four times and I think three he wasn’t even there! It’s just stuff like that that makes me query it. It wasn’t mostly boys either. Lisa Marie Presley has done many interviews explaining this. I’d rather listen to his wife than The Sun paper. I just feel there’s so much that doesn’t add up with this case. No one can know for sure of course but it makes for food for thought. I’m not media lead that’s all. I read the court documents and it really opened my eyes to how much was wrongly put in the press. Since all this stuff with Epstein came out I’ve been a lot more open minded. It seems the real people were protected for years and he’s been labelled over and over in death. Why do they constantly bleat on about it? It just seems really odd to me. Dead, black man accused even in death despite being proven not guilty in court ( even the term Wacko Jacko is racist ) but elite, white men get away with it for decades.

 

[Anotherct]

I am an ex superfan that now sees him as the creep he is. Can’t stand his music and can’t believe it is still played it on the radio in public. Let alone trying to promote a stage show and movie WTF no way. Both would be so biased and not reveal the truth.

Side not: what parent would allow their kids to have sleepovers with a grown man? If I were one of his victims I’d be pissed at my parents.

I’ve only just found this thread so apologies if it’s been mentioned, but his ex body guard describes his bedroom as the average day house. It had two floors and the children slept on a different floor to him, he also states the parents were also there. Do I find MJ incredibly odd? Absolutely. But I’m not convinced he abused all these children. Even Aaron Carter came out against his own mother saying nothing happened and she was trying to make out it did for money. No one will ever know the real truth but I think he was just an oddball. Of course he shouldn’t have been having sleepovers with children but I do think it was just that, a sleepover.

 

[Glaschelle]

My take on MJ is this - he was an incredibly talented, driven person. Probably because of his daddy issues.

He wanted to be the biggest star in the world and he was,

I think apart from one nose job he always denied he'd had any plastic surgery. Which is crazy cos his whole face changed. So we know he didn't always tell the truth about himself.

Regarding the allegations for me it's simple. After the chandler lawsuit and toll that investigation must have taken on him - why did he carry on being involved with wee boys??? Common sense tells you to stay away from them.

Even if you've done nothing wrong and only have the best intentions towards these kids, surely as the biggest star in the world with a "brand" to protect, some level of self preservation would kick in??? But it didn't. Very strange.

But the fact is if you think MJ is innocent, you're not gonna change your mind. Same as if you think he's guilty.

Personally I think he was a total oddball that I wouldn't let anywhere near my kids. But if I had a son who liked singing and dancing and the biggest star in the world said they could help him, would I change my mind???

And 2 final things, this one is especially for UK tattlers - if you believe MJ is innocent after paying out cash to the Chandlers, do you also think the Artist formerly known as Prince Andrew is also innocent as he paid out a civil claim, which was raised during the platinum jubilee???

And lastly - who's Bigi!!!

 

[Prodcon21]

I just think that once a person is dead it should be laid to rest.

Sorry - but That Is such an awful attitude to have.

 

[Abominatrix]

Finally saw Michael, which is a fantastic film and really made me remember how exciting and wonderful and sweet his public persona was. I wound up feeling really angry at him, because he was someone truly special and had to go ruin it all by being a predator.

And yes, I know the whole thing's a puff piece to begin with, but damn I remember watching some of that stuff when it happened and being that excited. The Grammies moonwalk moment for instance, hell I remember talking about that on the playground afterwards!

Shame it all went down the way it did.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

They left out all the scandal so it's not a real life biography. It's telling Paris won't go to any of the premieres.

Jeez,how many times now? The movie only goes up to 1988. BEFORE the allegations.

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

She keeps distancing herself from her father. She didn't support his movie with the rest of the family and now a weird mother's day post that feels there is a lot more to it than celebrating her mother.