Michael Jackson

[Miss Havisham]

I don’t see any physical similarities between Michael Jackson and any of his children.
Children don’t always look like their parents - but in the case of his children, the differences are quite extreme. The whole family set up is not usual anyway - they are not children born of a usual relationship, or appear to be adopted in what is the usual sense.

The set up with Debbie Rowe is not something that I can compare to, of what I know of in real life, so feels very alien to me anyway.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I just watched Michael Jackson: The Trial on Channel 4. I always adored his music but thought he was a bit weird and ultimately believed everything I read about his abuse of children. Now I’m not so sure having watched this. Knowing now how much Martin Bashir manipulated the whole Diana situation, did he do the same with his reporting on MJ?

No. Jackson still had little boys in his bed. You cant manipulate that

 

[avb00]

I would so love to know what the deal is with those kids. It seems very unlikely that they are genetically his.

He was quite happy for them to not have a mum which is just so selfish and sad.

And prince's angelic blonde hair when he was little was suss.

Prince absolutely adores his father. You can tell it in every interview so clearly he doesn’t believe the allegations at all. Clearly very comfortable on camera. Seems a lovely man though.

Hard to know what Biggie thinks. He’s insanely private and not in the media bar the odd photo here and there. He went to the Berlin premiere and looked very uncomfortable with the publicity. I thought it was strange he flew across the world for that one and didn’t attend the LA one since he lives in LA surely it’d be easier.

I seen Biggie in Ireland a few months back on a tram. He’s a very tall lad and he smiled back. Very shy and reserved.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

I think some parents were star struck and easily groomed.

Nevertheless to some level complicit, I wouldn’t let my kids share a bed with a pop star I idolize.

 

[shellie]

Totally agree with everything you've wrote! Even down to the stuff about Diana, I dont think of her as the saint the world seems to either

What really annoys me is she was always portrayed as the victim, hamming it up in interviews like when said 'There were three of us in the marriage' when she hereself was the other woman to several married men when married to Charles and after they divorced with a few wives/girlfriends calling her out on it. Dodi also had a girlfriend when she got with him, something a lot of people forget as well as the fact that she was giving interviews hinting about marriage when even friends said it was for attention and would have got bored with him pretty soon and was only using him to piss off people. There is no denying she did do a lot of good things but there are still far too many people who have rose tinted glasses where she is concerned, same as with Michael.

 

[Upintheair83]

Yeah as a parent of two boys what the fuck are the parents doing letting their kids stay with him?

It's absolutely ridiculous! If it was Joe blogging down the street you would run a mile. I can't believe they allowed it

 

[KINGAA]

My issue with the Leaving Neverland documentary was how some facts were so inaccurate with dates, location and times. Even the director some things were made that way to make a better story.

They’d already had their case thrown out of court when they tried to sue the MJ productions and venture for 1.5 billion in 2013 and 2015. This happened after Wade got upset that Cirque du Soleil wouldn’t hire him to choreograph the MJ Cirque du Soleil show and tried to write a book about MJ but no one wanted it.

The judge said, he’d sworn under oath twice and you can’t sue a corporation for molestation. Which you now can as of 2020 due to law changes so they’ll try again but MJ was broke so they will only be taking money from his kids I guess.

I’ve read the court documents, the FBI watched him for years and years and found nothing. No eveidence, MJ never paid anyone it was Sony and Insurance to shut people up. It wouldn’t be hard for Wade to create a similar story all these years later to make some money as he was broke.

 

[MrsBsDayOff]

He definitely displayed red flags and id never have allowed him near my child...... but all of his accusers were weak grifters in my opinion.

I agree he was stupid and irresponsible at the very least for doing that. I wouldn't let my child share a bedroom with any adult. Having said that I do struggle to believe that he's guilty based on lack of hard evidence and the accusers seeming very money hungry.

 

[kevin1223]

Controversial opinion maybe , but I don't believe that Michael Jackson sexually abused those children

 

[Abominatrix]

Finally saw Michael, which is a fantastic film and really made me remember how exciting and wonderful and sweet his public persona was. I wound up feeling really angry at him, because he was someone truly special and had to go ruin it all by being a predator.

And yes, I know the whole thing's a puff piece to begin with, but damn I remember watching some of that stuff when it happened and being that excited. The Grammies moonwalk moment for instance, hell I remember talking about that on the playground afterwards!

Shame it all went down the way it did.

 

[Upintheair83]

Could anyone recommend a good documentary about his life? I feel like I actually know very little and would like to before I see the movie (not all that keen on seeing it but promised a friend I’d tag along)

I find the new BBC one a very fairly balanced one. Not too much in favour of him, but doesn't bash him totally either.
I feel its honest and unbiased. Definitely one of the better ones and iv seen and read almost everything on him that's out there. It doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable truths but also remains balanced.

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

I think it would be hard not to move a little bit, I'm not saying it was right or that any one would be up partying.

I genuinely can’t believe you. I just have no words at all.

 

[GingerSquid]

Naked child videos??!! Where have you seen this evidence? Iv never heard or read that he was found with naked child videos.

Latest doc on Netflix. They show things that were found in the investigation and testimonials etc .. unless you think there is a conspiracy and it’s all been planted etc it’s pretty damming. I was a huge MJ fan and desperately wanted it all to not be true; but now I think he suffered SA as a child and went on to be an abuser himself.

 

[Mayday]

I've only watched part 1 of the documentary so far...but now that I've actually watched it, I believe them. I still believe that Corey Feldman & Macaulay Culkin were never abused (I know that Corey is supporting the two men in the documentary now though).

What I don't get is why the hell the parents didn't question him? The fact that he would always refer to them like 'I'm so glad I have a friend in your son' not even I'm glad I'm friends with your family...always the child. James's mum went from 'you can't sleep in his room' to not even being placed on the same floor as him and making sure he stayed with her...and barely knowing which room they were in at what time in Neverland?? Then Wade's entire family went back to Australia without him and left him in Neverland with Michael for 5 days!! Wtf?!

 

[Upintheair83]

He definitely displayed red flags and id never have allowed him near my child...... but all of his accusers were weak grifters in my opinion.

 

[Dexy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8821432/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-evidence-james-safechuck/

I think there was a train station, but maybe didn't have planning permission or for some reason they decided to change it and build another train station later on? who knows, but a few accounts suggest he is actually telling the truth, however it's not the train station we all thought he meant.

I personally believe James and think MJ took a very unhealthy liking to him, I don't know why he tried to pretend him and Wade had never met before though or maybe he just didn't remember. I do actually believe Wade Robson in half of his story.. even though he is so sneaky and has actually done himself an injustice, obviously stretched his truth alot. I don't even think Michael liked him and kept trying to fob him off onto his cousin to get rid of him.

Surely if Wade just wanted to make money and sell a book like originally planned before he tried suing, he would of sold his story about Britney and Justin affair as I believe he is the reason they broke up and any inside information he has on that, back in 2013 that would of been a huge story?

I personally don’t believe Wade Robson.

Wade Robson defended Michael Jackson for 20 years, then in court under oath( memory wasn’t triggered by all this CSA talk at all ?! As a grown man? Really ? So he committed perjury ) he was the star DEFENSE ( wow risky or what? MJ was cocky AF ), actually DATED MJ’s niece Brandi during this time for 7 years ( while alleged abuse was going on apparently and it was MJ who set them up - say what?! ) he begs to go to his funeral, writes two full pages on how much he loves him in the Opus, hangs out with the family, asks the family can he get married at Neverland because it’s his favourite place ( say what ?! ) , does tributes after his death, begs to work on MJ Cirque de Soleil , copies his moves in his own video wearing a glove given to him to ‘ be close to him.’ This is all by a GROWN MAN not a child. But he didn’t know it was abuse…
He then tried to get a book deal, it flopped, tried to sue the Michael Jackson estate and failed , got no work on and won’t be touched by Hollywood after being known for cheating and lying ( the Britney/JT saga cry me a river ) a note found written by him states ‘ my abuse story will make me relatable ‘ and - oh wait.. It’s all coming back to me ...
That’s the victim “ the child “ you are talking about. A 40 something year old man who’s pissed because MJ died and he couldn’t fleece him for any more cash or contacts. Him dying also meant he couldn’t defend himself He didn’t go to the POLICE when he suddenly remembered the abuse, oh no let’s go on Oprah! Wade Robson has been trying to sue the estate for the last few years and failed. Three times in total. He also set up a website shortly after the documentary with “ help SA victims “ and the minimum donation was $250. However it didn’t say what the money would be used for or where it actually went. It’s all about the dollar, dollar, dollar.
His wife threatened to leave him because he’s such a loser.
If MJ hadn’t of passed away these claims would not of happened. It’s all about money and cashing in on his name. They were clever in that they used the #metoo movement to propel this but not so clever they could get facts or dates right. There was only one train station and it wasn’t even built when they claim the abuse took place. This is fact. In the court documents Joyce Robson states they only visited Neverland five times and three of those Michael Jackson wasn’t even there. One time he claims abuse took place Michael Jackson was on his Bad tour, on stage, in Oz, in a different country!! He’s the most documented, followed, photographed human being! The whole thing would be laughable if it wasn’t such a disgusting claim to make. They are the lowest of the low. It’ll eventually all come out when people can finally use some critical thinking and see none of it makes sense.

Anyways, I hope I have given you some points to think about.

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

He also favoured celebrity kids who wouldn't want to go public ala Culkin. He paraded him around like a boyfriend.

I actually don't think he did abuse the celebrity kids, or at least not all of them, because then he had credible people to defend him.

A lot of his supporters use Culkin's defence of him as "proof" he never did anything.

 

[Boogs]

Is the singer a bachelor boy? Trying to think who it could be and that's the one which springs to mind having been raided?

I was thinking that. A master assassin on the side too.

 

[Upintheair83]

Yes I have heard the same, they stayed close friends. Her daughters said in interviews she remembers it as a real relationship

Her interview with Oprah after MJs passing gets buried abit under other quotes of LMP. But she clearly adored him, and was so upset she couldn't save him in the end. She said any anger she had towards him had subsided.
Abit off topic but ..
I always thought it fascinating that she once told the story about when she was little. her and her father were at the breakfast table and Elvis saw someone on the TV he didnt like. He got his shotgun out and fired straight at the telly!
She always said that whe was the only one who truly could understand the level of fame that MJ and her dad had and just now bizzare and unconventional their lives were as a result.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

It’s sad to see people still trying to defend this absolute freak. He was literally hiding in plain sight all along, no different to Savile. Wake up