Michael Jackson

[MrsBsDayOff]

He definitely displayed red flags and id never have allowed him near my child...... but all of his accusers were weak grifters in my opinion.

I agree he was stupid and irresponsible at the very least for doing that. I wouldn't let my child share a bedroom with any adult. Having said that I do struggle to believe that he's guilty based on lack of hard evidence and the accusers seeming very money hungry.

 

[kevin1223]

Controversial opinion maybe , but I don't believe that Michael Jackson sexually abused those children

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

My aunt and two other women were abused by my uncle as girls. He was a powerful man, millionaire, well respected, well-loved. All three of them weren’t aware of each other but they didn’t speak up until he died, because the genuine fear of his power and connections and what he could do to them wasn’t worth it. This is a normal Joe Bloggs.

 

[annanuttall]

This doesn't surprise me as it screams The Jackson Estate all over it - desperate for money and that tiny bit of fame.

 

[shellie]

I whole heartedly believe he was guilty. The cognitive dissonance from fans astounds me and I constantly feel like banging my head against a wall in comment sections that defend poor little never had a childhood himself Michael

If, and this is massive fucking if I dont for a second believe, he was innocent hes STILL guilty of creating confusing barriers and boundaries for children. Even if he didnt commit sexual abuse, those children would have a warped view of what is acceptable in regards to sharing space with a grown adult you arent related to. Making them susceptible to (further) abuse from others.

I think he was a massive pos though and believe if he was alive today I actually think he'd have less defenders.

He didn't have a childhood....that is something I don't get as an excuse because there are millions who went through the same or worse who didn't grow up to do what he did. It's as bad as the 'he was still a child/asexual' excuses when there is tons of evidence he was far from it. There are videos of him lusting after women and people talking about buying him porn etc which proves it was bullshit. Of course they then use that as an other excuse to proof his innocense like there havent't been countless instances of straight men married for years with kids being caught with CSAM containing just boys.


BIB - it's the saint effect that happens to everyone when they die. Diana is the perfect example. When she was alive she could be a right nasty cow. Even friends said she could be really vindictive yet the minute she died, people forgot she had flaws and could be nippy and decided she was a saint who was too good for us idiots. There are people out there who think the likes of Bundy, Dahmer and other serial killers were poor guys who just weren't treated right....it's mad but it happens.

 

[Dexy]

This thread always alarms me, the clarity vs the denial, blows my mind.

Just imagine he is a bloke called Barry who lives on your street. Are you letting your kids go sleep overs with this....

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I will answer this honestly.
Apologises now if it gets long.
The whole if he was Barry down the street is a void argument. He wasn’t just someone off the street. He was the most well known person in the world and still is.
Would I leave my children with Michael Jackson? Truthfully NO.
I do not leave my children with anyone.
As someone who has been SA on two separate occasions and it messed me up for years I am a very over protective mother. I trust no one.
Having said this did I go to the men who SA me and ask for a payout as compensation.
Also NO!
Do I believe this is extortion and not true claims? YES.
How much research have you done because I have done a lot. I could not continue to listen to this man’s music if I thought there was a possibility these accusations were true. I’ve studied the case thoroughly. I’ve seen the patterns with the media. The discrepancies with dates. The victims conveniently waiting until the stature of limitations is up. Why will 40 million help ease their trauma? I watched LN and I couldn’t believe how at ease they talked about it all. They seemed fake. I hate injustice. It’s all of it together that forms a bigger picture. I believe he had age regression and trauma from his childhood. He doesn’t fit the profile of a pedalo according to many experts. I do think he acted inappropriately. He should never have put himself in that situation. As you say no average Joe would do this. But again he wasn’t average. There was nothing ordinary about his upbringing and nothing ordinary about his life as an adult. Maybe his behaviour was odd for that reason.
I don’t know, I don’t claim to have all the answers but what I can say is I believe in his innocence because of many, many reasons.
I’m not just here like “ oh Billie Jean is a good bop, can’t possibly stop liking him, I’ll just let it slide he’s a pedalo. “

 

[Dexy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8821432/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-evidence-james-safechuck/

I think there was a train station, but maybe didn't have planning permission or for some reason they decided to change it and build another train station later on? who knows, but a few accounts suggest he is actually telling the truth, however it's not the train station we all thought he meant.

I personally believe James and think MJ took a very unhealthy liking to him, I don't know why he tried to pretend him and Wade had never met before though or maybe he just didn't remember. I do actually believe Wade Robson in half of his story.. even though he is so sneaky and has actually done himself an injustice, obviously stretched his truth alot. I don't even think Michael liked him and kept trying to fob him off onto his cousin to get rid of him.

Surely if Wade just wanted to make money and sell a book like originally planned before he tried suing, he would of sold his story about Britney and Justin affair as I believe he is the reason they broke up and any inside information he has on that, back in 2013 that would of been a huge story?

I personally don’t believe Wade Robson.

Wade Robson defended Michael Jackson for 20 years, then in court under oath( memory wasn’t triggered by all this CSA talk at all ?! As a grown man? Really ? So he committed perjury ) he was the star DEFENSE ( wow risky or what? MJ was cocky AF ), actually DATED MJ’s niece Brandi during this time for 7 years ( while alleged abuse was going on apparently and it was MJ who set them up - say what?! ) he begs to go to his funeral, writes two full pages on how much he loves him in the Opus, hangs out with the family, asks the family can he get married at Neverland because it’s his favourite place ( say what ?! ) , does tributes after his death, begs to work on MJ Cirque de Soleil , copies his moves in his own video wearing a glove given to him to ‘ be close to him.’ This is all by a GROWN MAN not a child. But he didn’t know it was abuse…
He then tried to get a book deal, it flopped, tried to sue the Michael Jackson estate and failed , got no work on and won’t be touched by Hollywood after being known for cheating and lying ( the Britney/JT saga cry me a river ) a note found written by him states ‘ my abuse story will make me relatable ‘ and - oh wait.. It’s all coming back to me ...
That’s the victim “ the child “ you are talking about. A 40 something year old man who’s pissed because MJ died and he couldn’t fleece him for any more cash or contacts. Him dying also meant he couldn’t defend himself He didn’t go to the POLICE when he suddenly remembered the abuse, oh no let’s go on Oprah! Wade Robson has been trying to sue the estate for the last few years and failed. Three times in total. He also set up a website shortly after the documentary with “ help SA victims “ and the minimum donation was $250. However it didn’t say what the money would be used for or where it actually went. It’s all about the dollar, dollar, dollar.
His wife threatened to leave him because he’s such a loser.
If MJ hadn’t of passed away these claims would not of happened. It’s all about money and cashing in on his name. They were clever in that they used the #metoo movement to propel this but not so clever they could get facts or dates right. There was only one train station and it wasn’t even built when they claim the abuse took place. This is fact. In the court documents Joyce Robson states they only visited Neverland five times and three of those Michael Jackson wasn’t even there. One time he claims abuse took place Michael Jackson was on his Bad tour, on stage, in Oz, in a different country!! He’s the most documented, followed, photographed human being! The whole thing would be laughable if it wasn’t such a disgusting claim to make. They are the lowest of the low. It’ll eventually all come out when people can finally use some critical thinking and see none of it makes sense.

Anyways, I hope I have given you some points to think about.

 

[Boogs]

Is the singer a bachelor boy? Trying to think who it could be and that's the one which springs to mind having been raided?

I was thinking that. A master assassin on the side too.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

It’s sad to see people still trying to defend this absolute freak. He was literally hiding in plain sight all along, no different to Savile. Wake up

 

[Midsummer Son]

It’s well-known that MJ was obsessed with Elvis, who was the first global star and the MJ of his day. I think his marriage to Lisa Marie was an attempt to have a part of Elvis for himself so to speak, almost like collecting a living part of him. And he probably relished the status/idea of the King of Pop being married to the daughter of the King of Rock n Roll.

Regarding the jury clearing MJ, I don’t think anyone reasonable would consider that an unbiased trial. The jurors were clearly starstruck with MJ and he was also still incredibly famous and beloved. Let’s be real, a fat Dave from down the road accused of the same crimes would have been convicted without a doubt.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

I listen to all sorts really, my favourite artists being Queen, Abba, The Beatles, Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Rolling stones, Lost Prophets, Aerosmith, you name it, a huge variety.

I'm putting this down to being a very poor trolling attempt; if you can't listen to Michael Jackson but do listen to Lost Prophets... sheesh.

It's bad enough that you'll listen to the Stones and Aerosmith without any problems, but Lost Prophets? Ok.

 

[shellie]

Suppose it makes sense

He groomed them. Offering this and that for them to be awed over while he did what he did. I'm not excusing them or absolving them of blame because as an adult you know if something is too good to be true, it usually is but he knew exactly what he was doing...picking people who had nothing and offering them the world only to throw them out when he was done and move on to the next family.

 

[Reality_tv_lover]

I remember in the first documentary when at least one of them said that they had no relationship with their parent(s) any more, I just thought, 'yeah, that tracks'. The very idea of letting your kid have 'sleepovers' with an adult stranger, what the fuck. Did all the holidays and gifts make them lose all common sense?!

Clearly did that's awful imagine seeling your child's innocence for free holidays and gifts they should all be investigated

 

[shellie]

The thing is though he was investigated very heavily I believe on numerous occasions yet nothing was found to even attempt to charge him.

If there was any truth to any of it wouldn't it have at least come out after his death? Like if it was a Jimmy Saville scenario he was protected by higher ups I mean

There is confusion about the FBI investigating him with many thinking it was a year's long thing when it only happened for a year or so at a time (93-94 and 04-05) and it wasn't a solo FBI investigation and more of them giving assistance to the police during the years stated. So, while there was no 'proof' he did it in those years mentioned, there were many years he wasn't being investigated so it was possible he did do things he was accused of.

Surprisingly, many of his fans (the ones who don't think he was God) refuse to quote the FBI files when claiming his innocence as while some files were released, over three hundred were redacted and no one knows what was on them. Add that to everything that's come out the last few years about the FBI and how many were caught taking bribes at the time (many think he was tipped off about being watched), I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he threw money at them to look the other way.

According to the new documentary, he paid off a tomboy girl in the 1980s, he paid off the housekeepers son, he paid off Jordy Chandler, another boy was willing to testify but dropped out when Jordy wouldn't testify, there was the boy who appeared in the documentary that resulted in the criminal case and now Wade and James.

If this was the guy living at the end of your street, you'd be starting a petition to get him moved!!!

Man in the mirror is one of my favourite songs but I struggle to listen to it now.

The housekeeper has come out a few times saying she saw things. Of course, even back then she was called everything under the sun with many saying 'she took money to keep quiet so shouldn't be believed' not realising their Freudian slips when trolling her.

I'm one of those people who can't separate songs from artists and like you loved MITM as well as a lot of his earlier stuff like She's Out of My Life, Got to Be There and One Day in Your Life among others, squealing along to him as a kid thinking how talented he was. I was a teenager when he was first accused and that was when I started to step back from his music. It was too close as I had been abused myself for years and finally told just a few months before it all came out. After that, listening to them was always marred because I remembered what he did to the children which then brought back memories for me, and it was too much. It was the same with R Kelly, Aerosmith, Diddy, and any others accused of it. I'm not calling out those who can separate as it's none of my business but personally...no.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

I think some parents were star struck and easily groomed.

Nevertheless to some level complicit, I wouldn’t let my kids share a bed with a pop star I idolize.

 

[Ivegone]

I think we should separate private and professional you can hate the arse of someone but still admire their music
There's loads of artists who are tainted but have brilliant music

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I cannot listen to his music because he was a pedalo. He paraded his favorite child stars around like trophies. I also feel he messed with Lisa Marie Presleys son.

You can't throw around accusations because of a feeling you have FFS Jesus Christ

 

[Dexy]

I can understand both sides of this, but for those just condemning Jackson based on the Leaving Neverland documentary- would you please watch the Square One documentary posted? It makes for a fairer picture overall. It's filled with facts whilst the former is purposefully leading people by emotions in the absence of hard facts. Both of them together provide a clearer picture.

The other thing to note (which I think others have mentioned before me) is that MJ was investigated 20 times (or some such insane number) by the FBI but they found absolutely nothing incriminating against him and said so repeatedly.
It's not like Weinstein where the local police and press were on his payroll and covered up for him (I think I read that tidbit in 'Catch and Kill'). This wasn't a coverup by a local police station (because none of the accusers or their families ever informed the police or filed a criminal case against Jackson). This was various departments in the FBI each coming up empty when they raided MJ and his family's homes repeatedly.

Guilty or innocent, nobody will know for sure, and I'm not trying to convince anyone. I was swayed by the documentary and then found the facts to mostly be proven false. I appreciate a counter documentary that aims to present a more factually researched picture of what occurred (and since this is a "documentary" and not fiction, I am shocked that Leaving Neverland didn't get fact checked).

You’re like me. You’ve done your research I see and there is just so much that doesn’t add up. There was something like 60 lies found in that “documentary “ hit piece. So anyone can be tried and convicted on two charlatans bad acting now? Disturbing and graphic accounts do not make for evidence and facts. He went through court and they found nothing. He wasn’t even in the same country when one of the man claim abuse happened. They also only went public with their allegations after the stature of limitations were up so they couldn’t get done for purgery and lying under oath.
The media have loved to peddle the narrative. Oprah Winfrey, got the “victims” on her show and watched LN on a boat on her birthday ( who does that ??) . Someone who then turns out to be best friends with Harvey Weinstein and lined up girls for Harvey to sexually abuse. Call me daft but I do believe that MJ knew too much about what was going on in Hollywood and that’s why they tried to pin it on him. He was used as a scapegoat for the likes of all the pedophiles coming out now.

 

[PineappleQueen19]

I had no idea Jackson took inspiration from this 1974 film. It’s uncanny to see.

 

[shellie]

But he never got away? And wasn’t hiding in plain sight like Saville - the conversation has been ongoing for years, he went to court, he went under the FBI investigations multiple times, he was never convicted.

He has been in the public court of law for 33 years and it will never ever end because as the public we see him generally as guilty because it’s hard to fathom why a grown ass man was having sleep overs and giving minors alcohol etc. It’s all layers of messed up but he never got away with anything really, he was done and over since that first case. The only thing people want now is millions of dollars, but these families were fine with shipping their kids off to him though at the time… like I know grooming is a thing but come on, really letting a grown man be alone and share a bed with your child. They wanted his money, the parents of these children who are suing should also be cross examined if these go to court.

Being investigated by the FBII doesn't mean much They claimed to fully investigate Epstein and claimed there was no proof he was trafficking girls to others yet we have now found out it was worse than was even suspected. They have also had countless agents over the years end up in court and jailed, including those high up because they took bribes to look the other way.

I agree it's wrong to let your child sleep in a bed with a strange adult but if you are gonna call out the parents then you sure as hell should be calling the person who thinks it's alright to do it...the same person who as soon as they passed a certain age, threw them and their parents out with the trash and found some more younger ones and started the cycle again. He gets far too many allowances that others wouldn't because of who he. Paris said it perfectly when she said people have this fantasy of him but that's all it is as the Michael he showed and the real Michael behind closed doors were two completely different people. His fans know the Michael he showed the world, they don't know the person he became when doors were shut and everyone left.