Madeleine McCann

[Bitofthebubbly]

I think there were some articles at the time about her grandparents saying they sometimes sedated them as well

I vaguely remember that too actually.

I think in the early days relatives said a lot of things that maybe didn’t show k&g in the best light, unintentionally of course. Pretty sure the whole Madeleine being a difficult child was said by a relative too.

I found this timeline on the pj files website. Not finished it yet as it’s quite a long read but thought it was worth sharing.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

The Portuguese police have never been able to find any evidence they are responsible, and have been shown over and over to be completely incompetent. In fact if they had secured the scene and followed a higher standard for forensics there might be some evidence of what happened to her

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

The Portuguese police have never been able to find any evidence they are responsible, and have been shown over and over to be completely incompetent. In fact if they had secured the scene and followed a higher standard for forensics there might be some evidence of what happened to her

Where have they been shown over and over again to be incompetent? I’ve only ever seen the British press slagging them off which of course they would.

 

[_basic_]

The only reason this came about is due to the calpol syringe. Which isn’t used to sedate.

of course no one can prove Madeline wasnt sedated- but why would she be? The twins weren’t. Why would anyone think that’s an obvious thing to happen?

kate used to be an anaesthetist. She’s one of the last people who would accidentally kill their child with sedatives.

are posters above claiming kate and Gerry called sky before the police? That’s completely untrue

Why would they be exonerated? That’s not what the police do. The police don’t go around proving people innocent of crimes.

It was said that Kate was checking the breathing of the twins, she said in case someone had come in and given them something that was why they didn’t wake up. I don’t think they woke up either when all the people came into the apartment.
Also the guy who gave Micheal Jackson the fatal dose of what was it Propofol? Was a doctor. Mistakes can be made, that been said I don’t have an opinion on if she was accidentally given too much sedation

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

What are your opinions on the group repeatedly changing their stories when it first happened? The body language experts on Kate McCann? The fact their charity only follows up on leads that follow their narrative? The trained dogs alerting? Have you looked into these?

Yes everyone has heard about these- they’re all mainstream. Can you provide the evidence that the group repeatedly changed their stories? You keep throwing things out there, asking me my opinion on them, but you don’t have any further detail about what you’re actually referring to. You’re not looking like the best researched yourself to be fair

 

[_basic_]

The Portuguese police have never been able to find any evidence they are responsible, and have been shown over and over to be completely incompetent. In fact if they had secured the scene and followed a higher standard for forensics there might be some evidence of what happened to her

Yes I agree they didn’t investigate properly from the first second of this case
ETA after a question above, from what was reported in the Netflix doc

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Where have they been shown over and over again to be incompetent? I’ve only ever seen the British press slagging them off which of course they would.

they didn’t wear gloves or other PPe at the crime scene
They didn’t secure the crime scene, allowing multiple people to walk in and out
They didn’t even brush for prints (And when they did- gloveless of course) for hours

and that’s Just the incompetence of the first few hours.....

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

they didn’t wear gloves or other PPe at the crime scene
They didn’t secure the crime scene, allowing multiple people to walk in and out
They didn’t even brush for prints (And when they did- gloveless of course) for hours

and that’s Just the incompetence of the first few hours.....

Proof? Since you seem to be asking everyone else for proof.

Not saying they didn’t make mistakes but seems like a good way to try and shut down any criticism of the parents what so ever by simply saying “the police ducked it up” there is far more to this case than that in my opinion.

And did you miss my comment saying the McCanns were never exonerated by the PJ.

 

[Renegadedancer]

they didn’t wear gloves or other PPe at the crime scene
They didn’t secure the crime scene, allowing multiple people to walk in and out
They didn’t even brush for prints (And when they did- gloveless of course) for hours

and that’s Just the incompetence of the first few hours.....

I think this is just the narrative that you are choosing to follow. That’s fine , we all have our minds.

 

[Hannah_204]

Yes everyone has heard about these- they’re all mainstream. Can you provide the evidence that the group repeatedly changed their stories? You keep throwing things out there, asking me my opinion on them, but you don’t have any further detail about what you’re actually referring to. You’re not looking like the best researched yourself to be fair

Im not saying your wrong I’m just wondering if you have more info than the rest of us. You just seam very positive on their innocence when others are suggesting possibilities. I was wondering what makes you so positive?

 

[killerqueen]

I don't understand why people say the cadaver/blood dogs were trained to alert in certain spots. What would the handler gain from from this? Another argument I've seen is that they are trained with pig blood so it's not proper evidence that's a totally logical explanation- pigs blood in the car and apartment. Should all scent dog evidence be discounted on the fact they don't train them with real human remains?

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Literally the first thing when you google

Madeleine McCann investigation: The mistakes

A COLOSSAL number of mistakes were made in the first hours of Madeleine's disappearance and even more in the days and months that followed.

www.google.co.uk

There are tens of thousands of similar articles if you google mistakes made by Portuguese police Madeline McCann

 

[Renegadedancer]

Im not saying your wrong I’m just wondering if you have more info than the rest of us. You just seam very positive on their innocence when others are suggesting possibilities. I was wondering what makes you so positive?

it is highly unlikely anyone on a chat forum has any more info than the rest of us, let alone the police . It’s jus5 a narrative that one chooses to follow.

 

[monga]

The only reason this came about is due to the calpol syringe. Which isn’t used to sedate.

of course no one can prove Madeline wasnt sedated- but why would she be? The twins weren’t. Why would anyone think that’s an obvious thing to happen?

kate used to be an anaesthetist. She’s one of the last people who would accidentally kill their child with sedatives.

are posters above claiming kate and Gerry called sky before the police? That’s completely untrue

Why would they be exonerated? That’s not what the police do. The police don’t go around proving people innocent of crimes.

Were the kids ever tested to see if they were sedated ?

 

[Hannah_204]

Just goggle tapas nine change their story there are countless articles to read through

 

[Renegadedancer]

We can discuss this until the cows come home, but like anything we all think what we think and are unlikely to be swayed until definite proof shows up!

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Im not saying your wrong I’m just wondering if you have more info than the rest of us. You just seam very positive on their innocence when others are suggesting possibilities. I was wondering what makes you so positive?

Because it’s just unthinkable in the time and resources they had available (they were present at the tapas bar, verified by multiple witnesses, with no long absences) that they could’ve killed her and disposed of her body so incredibly well that she has never been found. They’d only just arrived in the place.
The Netflix series is really good for an accurate portrayal of what happened (the McCanns refused to cooperate with it)

 

[_basic_]

We can discuss this until the cows come home, but like anything we all think what we think and are unlikely to be swayed until definite proof shows up!

That’s the sad thing we can debate forever but it’s unlikely we will ever find out unless Maddie ever turns up

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Just goggle tapas nine change their story there are countless articles to read through

There is ONE story from Nov 2007 saying 2 of them want to Change their witness statements. That’s all I get.

 

[Apple In My Pie]

I also heard that the nanny, Cat, went up to the apartment when she found out Madeleine was missing. Not that I'm pointing fingers - but that so many people were in and out of the crime scene it muddied the waters a bit.