Madeleine McCann #8

[Tangerine Dream]

Iirc K&M stopped talking so publicly after CB's arrest. It could affect current investigations. I have some memory they were written to by german police and have stood back somewhat since then.

Here it is 'Since German prosecutors announced they have "concrete evidence" that Madeleine is dead and that Brueckner is responsible, the McCanns have remained supportive of this line of inquiry.' bbc

That was yet another bizarre moment in this story. They were certain Madeleine was dead but couldn't say what they think happened/how they knew. Then the McCanns were apologised to for this. Then the investigators kept chasing CD. It also came out that an ex-policewoman had ruined evidence she'd found and it severely harmed the investigation, and another ex-policewoman paid for CB to be released IRRC.

Could be language barriers and things getting lost in translation but I've found the German/Europe side handling of this all to be a real head scratcher.

 

[Dotty Merton]

That was yet another bizarre moment in this story. They were certain Madeleine was dead but couldn't say what they think happened/how they knew. Then the McCanns were apologised to for this. Then the investigators kept chasing CD. It also came out that an ex-policewoman had ruined evidence she'd found and it severely harmed the investigation, and another ex-policewoman paid for CB to be released IRRC.

Could be language barriers and things getting lost in translation but I've found the German/Europe side handling of this all to be a real head scratcher.

Indeed. Am I right in thinking CB sold CSA material online? Iirc there was talk of lots of arrests not long after some contacts data on his stuff was found. What if he sold that material to some german judge or bigwig? Something seems off. Fishy.

 

[Nelly's mum]

It also came out that an ex-policewoman had ruined evidence she'd found and it severely harmed the investigation, and another ex-policewoman paid for CB to be released IRRC.

I'd heard about the contaminated evidence but not the bail;
After completing his seven-and-a-half-year sentence for the 2005 grape, Brückner had been expected to stay behind bars until January 2026 because he owed €1,447 (£1,253) in fines for a separate offence. However, a former police officer who had worked on the investigation into Brückner paid the fine because she said she “felt sorry” for him. She has since said she made a mistake.

And Germany won't extradite citizens to a non-EU country.

 

[Dotty Merton]

However, a former police officer who had worked on the investigation into Brückner paid the fine because she said she “felt sorry” for him. She has since said she made a mistake....

Frankly, it's as fishy as duck. That last woman turning up, bleeping it up, then changing her mind. Who the very duck is she ffs? And why has CB got such a fancy lawyer too?

'Christian Brückner’s lawyer is funded by the German state through the country's mandatory legal aid (Prozesskostenhilfe or Pflichtverteidigung) system, which guarantees legal representation for defendants. Because Brückner is in state custody, the government covers his statutory defense costs. In instances where specialized or extra legal representation is sought beyond standard state-appointed fees, there are reports that some funds have been raised privately through his legal team.'

Privately? Wtf does that mean? Have we any german tattlers to give us some other perspective on what the very feckery is afoot?

 

[Nelly's mum]

Frankly, it's as fishy as duck. That last woman turning up, bleeping it up, then changing her mind. Who the very duck is she ffs? And why has CB got such a fancy lawyer too?

'Christian Brückner’s lawyer is funded by the German state through the country's mandatory legal aid (Prozesskostenhilfe or Pflichtverteidigung) system, which guarantees legal representation for defendants. Because Brückner is in state custody, the government covers his statutory defense costs. In instances where specialized or extra legal representation is sought beyond standard state-appointed fees, there are reports that some funds have been raised privately through his legal team.'

Privately? Wtf does that mean? Have we any german tattlers to give us some other perspective on what the very feckery is afoot?

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Lawyers always love these high profile cause celebre cases, they get to flex their muscles and receive lots of recognition 🥱

 

[Dotty Merton]

Lawyers always love these high profile cause celebre cases, they get to flex their muscles and receive lots of recognition 🥱

Sold his soul to the devil that one.

 

[Dotty Merton]

"German police have handed over crucial files to Scotland Yard regarding Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner."

 

[PineappleQueen19]

Interesting…


A British couple have been given suspended jail terms after abandoning their three young children in a Spanish hotel to go partying.

The man and woman left their children aged 6 months, 1 year, and 4 years alone in the room where they were found on Thursday morning.

The pair were each sentenced to 1 year and 4 months in prison with the terms suspended for 2 years on condition of no further offences. They were also disqualified from parental authority for 2 years and 8 months and banned from approaching their children within 500 metres for 2 years.

The children are now under the care of Andalusian Social Services with plans to transfer them back to the United Kingdom via the British consulate. The couple appeared in court in Spain after being arrested following the discovery of the abandoned children in the hotel.

https://archive.ph/7SoXc

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Yet even now the official narrative is you must not ever question poor Kate and Gerry, everybody does it, etc.

 

[Nelly's mum]

Yet even now the official narrative is you must not ever question poor Kate and Gerry, everybody does it, etc.

This is always trotted out but I don't see anyone saying this - where is anybody saying that everybody does it?
Maybe I'm living under a rock - do you have anything you can share, or are you talking about things people were supposed to have said 20yrs ago?

 

[PineappleQueen19]

This is always trotted out but I don't see anyone saying this - where is anybody saying that everybody does it?
Maybe I'm living under a rock - do you have anything you can share, or are you talking about things people were supposed to have said 20yrs ago?

I remember it constantly being said in both print and broadcast media
Eg

 

[Nelly's mum]

I remember it constantly being said in both print and broadcast media
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When is that from?

 

[PineappleQueen19]

When is that from?

Around the time. The McCann case is what shifted social norms around leaving your children, imo. ‘We did it then but we wouldn’t do it now’ attitude, so the McCanns were supposedly acting within social norms at the time.
I get the feeling the tide of public opinion has turned against them now, although I don’t see much outright criticism of them (outside true crime podcasters) - I wonder if that’s because they are notoriously litigious and their key message “we made a terrible mistake and paid the ultimate price” did land with a lot of people.

 

[Mugginsme]

Around the time. The McCann case is what shifted social norms around leaving your children, imo. ‘We did it then but we wouldn’t do it now’ attitude, so the McCanns were supposedly acting within social norms at the time.
I get the feeling the tide of public opinion has turned against them now, although I don’t see much outright criticism of them (outside true crime podcasters) - I wonder if that’s because they are notoriously litigious and their key message “we made a terrible mistake and paid the ultimate price” did land with a lot of people.

The 'terrible mistake ultimate price' line make me feel queasy. As if it excuses neglect.

 

[PineappleQueen19]

The 'terrible mistake ultimate price' line make me feel queasy. As if it excuses neglect.

Same.
An absolutely brazen and wicked path to go down, considering how they treated those children.

 

[Naffdoff]

What makes me shake with anger is the sheer lies they told to try & cover themselves. This completely hindered any enquiry. They were clearly more interested in covering their backs than finding out what happened to madeline. They were more negligent than this couple in Spain as they left the children in an unlocked apartment next to a busy road & pool.

 

[Nelly's mum]

Around the time. The McCann case is what shifted social norms around leaving your children, imo. ‘We did it then but we wouldn’t do it now’ attitude, so the McCanns were supposedly acting within social norms at the time.
I get the feeling the tide of public opinion has turned against them now, although I don’t see much outright criticism of them (outside true crime podcasters) - I wonder if that’s because they are notoriously litigious and their key message “we made a terrible mistake and paid the ultimate price” did land with a lot of people.

I think, pre MM people, were more relaxed in general about keeping their children safe, there is more awareness now about risks and how many pweirdos are out there.

People are also more relaxed on holiday, this was a factor, you're out of your routine and your guard is down - would the McCanns have gone out for dinner in the UK and left their children home alone, I doubt it somehow.

There seems to be less sympathy for the McCanns at present compared to after MM's disappearance. I think the 'we all left our children alone' comments in the immediate aftermath were partly out of sympathy for the parents, people were also questioning their own parenting, the McCanns were also very litigious, but nowadays people are questioning their actions more than they did.

(obviously the McCanns shouldn't have left their children alone and my sympathy lies with MM, before anyone asks)

 

[Scubasf]

I don’t know, I remember the news breaking and I don’t remember anyone other than the McCanns saying it was ok to leave children like that. Everyone was horrified. I was a primary teacher at the time and the parents were shocked.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

The 'terrible mistake ultimate price' line make me feel queasy. As if it excuses neglect.

And it was Madeline that paid the ultimate price. Not them.

 

[Dotty Merton]

Interesting…


A British couple have been given suspended jail terms after abandoning their three young children in a Spanish hotel to go partying.

The man and woman left their children aged 6 months, 1 year, and 4 years alone in the room where they were found on Thursday morning.

The pair were each sentenced to 1 year and 4 months in prison with the terms suspended for 2 years on condition of no further offences. They were also disqualified from parental authority for 2 years and 8 months and banned from approaching their children within 500 metres for 2 years.

The children are now under the care of Andalusian Social Services with plans to transfer them back to the United Kingdom via the British consulate. The couple appeared in court in Spain after being arrested following the discovery of the abandoned children in the hotel.

https://archive.ph/7SoXc

Poor kids. One of the children, i think the baby, tested positive for c. Iirc the staff saw the parents leave to go out on the razz.

Might of mentioned this before but was chatting to me Dad recently, I'm a 70's kid, he's mid 80's now. He admitted they used to pop over the road for drinks at their friends when I was asleep sometimes. It was a small wee terrace road. I guess they thought it was safe too. These are weirdly the same parents that made me go to a childminder until I was 13. So I guess I am saying, in relation to how common it has been in the past to leave kids, that it's more common than parents like to admit from my personal experience.