Madeleine McCann #5

[50sGirl]

They abandoned those kids they’re responsible , if the kids had’ve burned to death in the apartment would we just say” oh how unlucky pity their parents didn’t finish dinner sooner they may have saved them,after all the poor parents deserve a holiday too”

No one with a shred of humanity would turn around to two parents whose children had burned to death and say "bleeping serves you right".

I have read and reread Monga’s post and she never wrote “bleeping serves you right” so I don’t know where you got that statement from.

So @MrsPiggleWiggle if your neighbours went out for dinner a few doors down, leaving their children alone and their house burnt down and the children died, are you saying that your neighbours should be blameless and anyone who dared to question their neglect told should be told that they don’t have a shred of humanity? I don't think anyone with a shred of common sense would find that acceptable.

Whatever happened to Madeleine in that apartment that night it could not or would not have happened had the children not been left alone.
Without her parents selfish actions she’d still be here. Cause and effect.
Poor Madeleine deserved better.

 

[missmina]

If you're so tired come off the thread my friend
We can all post our opinions you don't own the thread and we don't have to bear you in mind when we're posting

Though I agree with your last point of other people / children not getting assistance.

The headline I read said "Portuguese police stand down" so why would I not assume she had been found?!

As it stands it was just a click bait article which is journalism for ya! 100s of articles to encourage posts, comments and ad. But that's irrelevent.

Well I can post my opinion too. Idk why would you get so offended at a simple „omfg” on a discussion thread. So maybe apply your advice to yourself first

Besides, imo McCanns will be milking it forever pretending they never stopped looking for their beloved daughter. They really did it well for themselves with how naive public is.
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I have read and reread Monga’s post and she never wrote “bleeping serves you right” so I don’t know where you got that statement from.

So @MrsPiggleWiggle if your neighbours went out for dinner a few doors down, leaving their children alone and their house burnt down and the children died, are you saying that your neighbours should be blameless and anyone who dared to question their neglect told should be told that they don’t have a shred of humanity? I don't think anyone with a shred of common sense would find that acceptable.

Whatever happened to Madeleine in that apartment that night it could not or would not have happened had the children not been left alone.
Without her parents selfish actions she’d still be here. Cause and effect.
Poor Madeleine deserved better.

Exactly. If there was actually a fire and they died it would be much more likely they would actually be prosecuted for negligence. That’s why to me the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment is most likely, especially how they intensely refuse to accept anything else than brutal abduction - legit the only situation in which they are not to blame as much and they get people to feel sorry for them since after all in their story an awful man broke into the apartment and forcibly took her and them - sad parents - have been looking for her all these years

 

[Emsie]

I have read and reread Monga’s post and she never wrote “bleeping serves you right” so I don’t know where you got that statement from.

So @MrsPiggleWiggle if your neighbours went out for dinner a few doors down, leaving their children alone and their house burnt down and the children died, are you saying that your neighbours should be blameless and anyone who dared to question their neglect told should be told that they don’t have a shred of humanity? I don't think anyone with a shred of common sense would find that acceptable.

Whatever happened to Madeleine in that apartment that night it could not or would not have happened had the children not been left alone.
Without her parents selfish actions she’d still be here. Cause and effect.
Poor Madeleine deserved better.

This has actually happened. A woman went food shopping left her 4 boys and the house burnt down. I am sure I've mentioned this in an earlier thread. She was buying their food.
Obviously not her fault the house burnt down but her fault she wasn't there to protect her kids. I can't remember what the press coverage was but a totally normal reaction for people to say "why the hell did you leave them"

 

[monga]

I have read and reread Monga’s post and she never wrote “bleeping serves you right” so I don’t know where you got that statement from.

So @MrsPiggleWiggle if your neighbours went out for dinner a few doors down, leaving their children alone and their house burnt down and the children died, are you saying that your neighbours should be blameless and anyone who dared to question their neglect told should be told that they don’t have a shred of humanity? I don't think anyone with a shred of common sense would find that acceptable.

Whatever happened to Madeleine in that apartment that night it could not or would not have happened had the children not been left alone.
Without her parents selfish actions she’d still be here. Cause and effect.
Poor Madeleine deserved better.

I used to say I’d need eyes in the back of my head when mine were toddlers, I put up safety gates , strapped them into prams, car seats, even pulled up the cot side for a reason ,I saw it my duty to minimise damage and put their safety first,at no time did I think it was a good idea to leave them alone while I went out for dinner, that’s just downright negligent …If people think it’s inhumane for me to think that I personally don’t give a duck my sympathy lies with the poor child they failed, not their failures.

 

[Facehugger]

I've done the same to all my kids cuddly toys/blankets. The difference is though that our children got to cuddle their things and transfer their smell onto them again.
If my kids favourite toy was disgusting, but they were missing and presumed dead then no way would I wash it ever again. It's the last precious thing of theirs and only link to their sticky fingers and scent. I think we'd all rather smell their sweat and dirt than washing powder

When she washed it there was no reason to presume she was dead, she was just 'missing' and could quite easily have been found somewhere to come home to her favourite toy again. This makes me think Kate was hoping she'd be found, otherwise, like you say, if she knew she was already dead she might not have washed it

 

[PrincessCharming]

When I was a kid, in the early 80s, we mainly had our holidays in Costa del Sol. Another holidaymaker told my folks a local had warned them about keeping close eye on their kids because there was a known gang of wrong ‘uns nearby. My geography isn’t brilliant but Costa del Sol is just a few hours drive from Portugal and when MM went missing I thought of back then.

Also, with the introduction of the internet to the world I believe it emboldens/encourages bad people.

 

[Boring Monday]

When she washed it there was no reason to presume she was dead, she was just 'missing' and could quite easily have been found somewhere to come home to her favourite toy again. This makes me think Kate was hoping she'd be found, otherwise, like you say, if she knew she was already dead she might not have washed it

According to her own book, Kate says she washed it in July when she had been missing cracking on for 70 days.

 

[Twintwin]

Let's remember if they did find something it could be bone fragments. They wouldn't ever be able to announce they have 'found her' as it's been so long her skelaton would be in pieces. I hope they found something at least so it will be another piece of the puzzle revealed

 

[Facehugger]

According to her own book, Kate says she washed it in July when she had been missing cracking on for 70 days.

Still hoping she'd be found I presume at that point in time. I would be, if that were me.

 

[Emsie]

I think smell is really subjective and really depends on your sensory impact. My kids favourite teddy doesn't smell of my kid. It doesn't really smell of anything. I probably wouldn't have washed it but I probably wouldn't have found comfort in sniffing it either and to that end I don't see the fact Kate washed it as a big thing.

 

[PrincessCharming]

My daughter’s favourite used to stink to high heaven of dried saliva as she held it to her face to mop up drool when she sucked her fingers. Even the dog won’t go near it.

I still think if something happened to her (duck don’t even like going near that thought) I wouldn’t wash it.

Also if MM loved cuddle cat as much as my kid loved hers if she had got up during the night and left the apartment of her own accord it would be in her hand.

But every person is different, kids and adults.

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

My daughter’s favourite used to stink to high heaven of dried saliva as she held it to her face to mop up drool when she sucked her fingers. Even the dog won’t go near it.

I still think if something happened to her (duck don’t even like going near that thought) I wouldn’t wash it.

Also if MM loved cuddle cat as much as my kid loved hers if she had got up during the night and left the apartment of her own accord it would be in her hand.

But every person is different, kids and adults.

That’s what makes me think she didn’t leave of her own accord. She didn’t take the cuddly and her shoes were still there. I reckon if you could do a sample of kids of that age leaving the “house” (presumably to go find parents) by themselves, the majority of them would either take their comfort object or another toy with them and/or put shoes on. Especially in an unfamiliar place at night. Ben Needham for example had at least one toy with him.

The seeming vanish into thin air just seems wrong for a child of that age.

 

[missmina]

That’s what makes me think she didn’t leave of her own accord. She didn’t take the cuddly and her shoes were still there. I reckon if you could do a sample of kids of that age leaving the “house” (presumably to go find parents) by themselves, the majority of them would either take their comfort object or another toy with them and/or put shoes on. Especially in an unfamiliar place at night. Ben Needham for example had at least one toy with him.

The seeming vanish into thin air just seems wrong for a child of that age.

On the other hand, if she got abducted it would’ve made sense that the abductor would take the cuddle cat as a thing that would help relax her a bit and make her less problematic.

With that in mind I remembered the documentary in which the portugese police was trying to reenact the night she went missing and Amaral mentioned that when they came in to the bedroom Madeleine’s bed was made as if no one slept there. If Kate made the bed in the meantime she’s a total moron. Though what could be expected of a person that let random people come in and touch stuff before police arrived when she was suspecting her child was abducted… Or even more so, what could I expect of a parent that leaves their kids under 4 y.o. for hours at night in an unlocked apartment abroad to drink with their friends. idon’t think she can actually be that stupid, she’s a doctor after all, so I definietely believe McCanns had something to do with the disappearance.

 

[hashtagtea]

Let's remember if they did find something it could be bone fragments. They wouldn't ever be able to announce they have 'found her' as it's been so long her skelaton would be in pieces. I hope they found something at least so it will be another piece of the puzzle revealed

I’m not sure about that - Daniel Morcombe went missing in Australia in 2003 and his bones were found in 2012 and they were able to do DNA testing on them to confirm it was definitely him.

 

[Twintwin]

I’m not sure about that - Daniel Morcombe went missing in Australia in 2003 and his bones were found in 2012 and they were able to do DNA testing on them to confirm it was definitely him. View attachment 2198637

Oh thats not what I meant. Of course they would be able to identify her bones after DNA testing.

 

[Emsie]

That’s what makes me think she didn’t leave of her own accord. She didn’t take the cuddly and her shoes were still there. I reckon if you could do a sample of kids of that age leaving the “house” (presumably to go find parents) by themselves, the majority of them would either take their comfort object or another toy with them and/or put shoes on. Especially in an unfamiliar place at night. Ben Needham for example had at least one toy with him.

The seeming vanish into thin air just seems wrong for a child of that age.

See I don't know if a 3 year old would have the thought process to "leave to look for their parents". Don't get me wrong I think a 3 year old would leave an unlocked room because they physically could not necessarily to carry out a task if that makes sense but I don't think she left to find her parents. Do 3 year olds think like that? Thinking of the times my son has tried to escape our house and garden he just leaves he has no rhyme or reason it's just because he's able to.
Which is why I struggle so much with the unlocked door! If you were risk assessing it it's not the fact that someone would come in, it's more the fact that they could leave that you would think about. The reality is that someone entering would be low risk and unlikely to happen. But a toddler making a dash for it... Way more likely.

 

[PineappleQueen19]

See I don't know if a 3 year old would have the thought process to "leave to look for their parents". Don't get me wrong I think a 3 year old would leave an unlocked room because they physically could not necessarily to carry out a task if that makes sense but I don't think she left to find her parents. Do 3 year olds think like that? Thinking of the times my son has tried to escape our house and garden he just leaves he has no rhyme or reason it's just because he's able to.
Which is why I struggle so much with the unlocked door! If you were risk assessing it it's not the fact that someone would come in, it's more the fact that they could leave that you would think about. The reality is that someone entering would be low risk and unlikely to happen. But a toddler making a dash for it... Way more likely.

This, combined with the fact that ‘staying in my bed’ was on Madeleines reward chart makes the unlocked door even more incomprehensible / unbelievable.

 

[PrincessCharming]

Another thing… just how shitfaced were the tapas gang? I know if I drink a lot of wine and don’t eat enough I couldn’t reliably tell you details of what happened last night. Had they been day drinking too? Another common holiday pastime.

 

[Emsie]

This, combined with the fact that ‘staying in my bed’ was on Madeleines reward chart makes the unlocked door even more incomprehensible / unbelievable.

It really does. If I was thinking about leaving my children to eat tapas I'd think about: the fact that they could leave the room, they might cry, they might get ill, they might lose their dummies or teddies, they might fall out of bed. All of those things would convince me alone that it's not a wise move!!!
3 year olds love to get out of bed! It's literally their favourite thing to do and yes like you said it was on Maddie's reward chart so she clearly had form. I will never get it.
And the media reporting on it seems to think that this was absolutely okay and we shouldnt mention it because those poor parents blah blah blah. Not denying that theyve been through a lot no matter what happened to Maddie losing a child in any circumstances would break you but Jesus guys you didn't even try to keep her safe.

 

[Boring Monday]

See I don't know if a 3 year old would have the thought process to "leave to look for their parents". Don't get me wrong I think a 3 year old would leave an unlocked room because they physically could not necessarily to carry out a task if that makes sense but I don't think she left to find her parents. Do 3 year olds think like that? Thinking of the times my son has tried to escape our house and garden he just leaves he has no rhyme or reason it's just because he's able to.
Which is why I struggle so much with the unlocked door! If you were risk assessing it it's not the fact that someone would come in, it's more the fact that they could leave that you would think about. The reality is that someone entering would be low risk and unlikely to happen. But a toddler making a dash for it... Way more likely.

Wasn’t the door supposedly left open so she could go to her parents if there was a repeat of the crying episode from the previous night? (Which was put down to an intruder doing a dry run?)