So the woman who is on trial for murder has her Facebook searches of the dead babies families even years later normalised as something many HCPs do, and a note where she wrote she killed them on purpose was excused as anguish and despair, but now the consultant who is a witness and tweets about his day is what? Not credible? So must be part of the cover up to get Lucy convicted of murder?
That’s the number of babies, not the number of charges. 7 babies murdered, 10 attempted with murder. The extra attempts were on the same babies (a couple of babies have 3 attempts).
I’m sure it’s the same doctor in the case of baby k who said he was worried about her being in the room alone with the babies that tells me he suspected foul play not just mistakes. I can’t buy into the idea he was told to not worry about it and then did nothing
I see both sides to this if you knew there was compelling evidence then why even bother.
Yes, I did say “it’s from Facebook so Dunno if it’s true”
If you are a raging serial killer you aren't likely to give a shit how the parents feel , you have murdered their pride and joy already. If she's innocent why would she plead guilty. I never believed she would plead guilty there's no benefit it's a whole life order and a serial killer isn't likely to care about their victims families.My point was that if she did enter a guilty plea now it would save those poor parents 6 months of torture. I think anyway not 100% how it works clearly
Yea something really stinks about it all. I just can’t comprehend how someone didn’t document it, didn’t feel relevant to include it in police statement but is certain enough about remembering it 7 years later to say about it in court?! Strange memory. If they spot any clinical signs or symptoms it is their job to record it. Even if it was something they’d seen before. I’m still not decided if she’s guilty or not guilty, there are a lot of unusual coincidences but there are also a lot of things that I am certain that hospital wasn’t following good practice. Could be a case of those babies were failed by LL and the hospital or only the hospital, but my god my heart aches for those parents and families having to listen to all this.
I haven’t put any of the reports into the wiki only because they have not yet been used in court. I’m happy to discuss but my thinking was to keep the wiki purely trial based only to avoid it getting into speculation / biases etc. plus it’s hard enough to keep it organised with trial stuff.I think we’ll hear this more and more of this narrative as time goes onI feel so sorry for them all and for the parents hearing this, that it could have been stopped. It must be awful for them to live with. Heads at the top will absolutely roll after this if they’ve not already!
Oh gosh so many acronyms aren’t there… I think it is that one, sounds familiar! I don’t know if it’s in the wiki yet. Sorry not very helpful. It was linked a fair while back.
Scary to think the jurors have to make a decision on something that even experts disagree on
I could be wrong and I think the reporting has been poor today but I think he’s saying air is possible in that way but his opinion is that this can’t be what happened here and that’s to do with volume and placement. He’s very clear that he doesn’t think it’s from that, similar can be seen in car crashes (force), overwhelming infection (for which there’d be lots of medical evidence but there isn’t - it’s why they played so hard on the line and temp though) and that the only time he’s seen anything just like this is another baby in this case. And that implies it’s administered - a large enough volume put in the baby on purpose with force - highly unlikely the kind that would be accidental through a line. I’d imagine force and amount is then going to have a massive impact on whether a baby could survive this kind of impact. Hence why you will see some discrepancy in babies surviving or passing away - and of course how quickly and effective treatment is. So again if treatment isn’t effective - it’s more likely again that it’s a large amount and used with force that then cannot be rectified.
Exactly. If she was on her own it would be obvious that it was her, as we've all discussed before. But in a room full of people? Hiding right under your nose is the best disguise.
