Drilled into all nurses “if it isn’t documented it didn’t happen”. Shocking if they have simply failed to document!
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A planned week break in the ben mendy case was put in at the start of the trial.they have had their break and back in court
Yes - someone who asked you a question based on your previous non-sensical post just intended to cause tension. There’s been plenty of sarcasm and cattiness and it’s gonna be a llloonnggg 6 months if it continues like this
I’ve asked you to leave me out of these type of posts.Yes - someone who asked you a question based on your previous non-sensical post just intended to cause tension. There’s been plenty of sarcasm and cattiness and it’s gonna be a llloonnggg 6 months if it continues like this
I’m here to discuss the case.
I think the junior docs explanation for baby A is they were giving cpr for over 30 minutes and he was in extreme distress in the time afterwards. That’s not a good excuse, I completely agree it’s definitely bad it wasn’t noted. It has been noted this second time with baby B and from the nurse that witnessed it on baby b she remembers seeing it and thinking not again. I think that’s now three witnesses maybe more and now one note of it.
They’ve documented. Read the previously linked Daily Mail article.
This. Whilst it doesn’t prove she’s guilty/not guilty it’s going to be bloody hard proving it if important evidence like this is quite sketchy. Perhaps it’s something that was only truly seen as odd once it was seen in more than one child, which of course isn’t right and if something is unusual ideally would have been documented etc. Perhaps someone mentioned it and people started talking.
Not defending anything here, but I know after an arrest/medical emergency I’m shaking and there’s a million thoughts going round my head. You really do have to take 5 minutes out to come round to be able to think straight. Especially if you work somewhere you don’t witness it very often. Having said that, still difficult to comprehend everyone involved would not of documented it. If I remember rightly someone even had to come in the next day to document?
Edit - just read the DM article, it’s hard to keep up tbh. Is the documentation in reference to baby B?
I was discussing it, you clearly didn’t like my point of view and replied to me instead of just scrolling past. I’ve asked you twice to leave me out of this type of behaviour. I’ll ask a third and final time, leave me out of it.Try discussing it then?
Moving on!
Hmm perhaps ‘new’ pale appearance rather than unusual?
It’s interesting isn’t it because at what stage does it become ‘unusual’? And I’d certainly think if something was outside the frame of normal reference then it would be notable and highlighted in notes/discussions.
A question for medics if I may jump on? Would there be case study discussions/monthly meetings etc re: cases? Surely these would have come up?
Yet the word ‘pitchfork’ has been mentioned twice on this thread today aimed at anyone who thinks she’s guilty.Yes - someone who asked you a question based on your previous non-sensical post just intended to cause tension. There’s been plenty of sarcasm and cattiness and it’s gonna be a llloonnggg 6 months if it continues like this
The sarcasm and cattiness is definitely two way.
It would of come up in the child death review and possibly the M&M.
Seeing as there’s 40%+ that have voted they think she’s guilty I’d say it’s surprisingly one sided, especially at the moment. You might be the best person to ask but I promise to look through the wiki too - somebody notes ?? and I think that is about the mottling? Maybe it’s the time they try to photograph it. XYet the word ‘pitchfork’ has been mentioned twice on this thread today aimed at anyone who thinks she’s guilty.
yea i think it’s a different baby. Not A or B. I can’t remember off the top of my head which one. I’ll have a quick look now. There is also a parent that takes a photo for one baby too.
not coming for you at all but that is such a sad view on males working in care,teaching or anything like that! I'm not in the UK anymore but I'm in HK and so many of the male teachers,nurses,care workers are so amazing but they are so scared to even apply and try for these jobs because of this mentality!If it was a man I would more likely feel he's guilty but I question men who get jobs centered around children anyway. Dont come for me. I feel how I feel and everyone will deal.
But imagine the paleness had presented itself in such a way that you’d never seen before. Would you make it clear that this is something you’d never seen before?
Yes and I would have also documented any discussion with staff. I know in critical events our fight/flight kicks in but this in my experience has caused me all the more to over document if you know what I mean. Often staying late or revisiting the record. Being understaffed increases risk too so I would also document this. Even now I will write regularly “sudden change, discussed with (name colleagues” and informed consultant of same.
I used to help out the males by always covering anything like toilet or getting changed stuff - it’s really hard for them. I guess some women do have very concrete and horrible reasons for mistrusting men though
I do agree there would be a bias if Letby was a man but it’s important to remember - men that kill children are usually motivated by violence and or sexual deviancy (a polite way of saying sick bleeping cunts) and this is a very different style and motivation for murder. It looks very different. I think this is also why she doesn’t fit what we know and expect of a child killer.
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