Exactly. It seemed to become more about poor little Lucy being bullied than evil Lucy murdering tiny babies. When it's all put together like this, it seems so freaking obvious that something was very very wrong.
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I wonder if we’ll ever get the details of what her Mummy said in the meetings. I wonder if Letby was at salsa with Karen laying it on very thick. Perhaps she used the threat of suicide
This bit is soo important for all the NG crowd “these babies may have been premature but were stable, there was no reason to explain the collapse and then when they didn’t respond to what was an entirely timely and correct intervention, this as well as the numbers made us worry”yes I’ve noticed this. We’ve always said it but I’m more convinced than ever that there are at least two other babies she’s killed, but for some reason they’ve struggled with the evidence to charge her.
I am also reading CS reports (Mark has definitely upped his game in the past year) and it’s so frustrating seeing them come close to calling police but then not for some reason that’s not clear yet.
I notice Jane Hawdon initially issued her report in November 2016 but it took until 13 April 2017 for Harvey to ask ‘what do you mean by forensic review’!!! And even then… it took another 2-3 weeks for Chambers to report to the police.
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Yet end of June/July 2016 you had multiple people suggesting the police for the first time.
Stephen Cross - Director of Corporate Legal Services:
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Doctor Saladi
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Sian Williams - Deputy Director of Nursing:
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Even Tony Chambers himself mooted it in July 2016:
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They won’t believe it as it’s from from Dr J but still, this is exactly why she is guilty.
I hadn't thought of that, but it is a possibility.
Urgh her parents seem vile. I’m starting to see where she got her smug, condescending nature from.
As a hypothetical, how damaging would it have been to the hospital if they had constructively dismissed Letby?
We always knew her parents accompanied her to the meeting but we didn't know the finer details until yesterday. I always thought they probably attended in a quiet, supportive way. But no they were ruling the roost and the executives present appeared to be intimidated by them to the point of grovelling. Then her audacity to send the high handed email to everyone on the NNU about her exoneration, apology and imminent return. The tea party they arranged and her attitude to everyone is extremely revealing. Letby's parents are now shown to be arrogant and they treated their daughter like a pampered princess.
Indeed. It makes it all the more surprising that they didn't attend the retrial of Baby K's murder.
Oh it’s back! I checked the website and saw the 12th so assumed they weren’t on today!
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Don’t know if this will work
www.bbc.co.uk
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Interesting. A midwife highlighted and noticed letby. He’s described her as there at most of the deaths now he’s said “all or most of the deaths”.
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Don’t know if this will work
Lucy Letby hospital inquiry: Anyone questioning Lucy Letby’s guilt ‘should be ashamed’, lawyer tells inquiry
The inquiry, which is examining the NHS response to Lucy Letby's crimes, heard that "expert medical evidence" showed her guilt "beyond reasonable doubt".
www.bbc.co.uk
Interesting. A midwife highlighted and noticed letby. He’s described her as there at most of the deaths now he’s said “all or most of the deaths”.
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Thank you so much. I've been looking for this but couldn't find it and nothing was showing on Chester Standard.I was hoping he might come through!!! Yes! Thanks for sharing
The hospital governance and assurance processes are going to get absolutely hammered by the look of things, as well as some of the individuals involved. I wouldn't like to be in any of those people' shoes.
Not really damaging but I think the problem was there was suspicion but not enough evidence to form a constructive dismissal case at that stage? I can't think of what they could have used to dismiss her at that point without evidence she had breached the code of conduct or hospital policy. They should simply have gone to the police so much earlier than they did
"Bringing in a risk midwife was done with the intention of reputation, not patient safety." Says it all about the boards priorities. How unbearably sad.
So, as a for instance, is there a website for nurses on which if it were reveled that Lucy Letby had been constructively dismissed thus making recruitment more difficult?
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Omg - after leaving it for months before discussing formally or informally the Letby neonatal deaths increase , the trust seemed more concerned with the damage to their reputation associated with the increased mortality rate 
Well I suppose if she had been constructively dismissed they would have had to report her to the NMC and there would be a red cross against her name on the register rather than a green tick, but the hearings process for nmc cases takes a long time for that to happen. I've known nurses reported to the nmc who have been able to get other jobs until their cases were heard simply because the red cross doesn't appear until their cases are heard?
The man who was in charge during Allitt’s spree clearly didn’t learn lessons with Letby, did he! Completely unacceptable. I’m so angry!
Relentless in our focus on the individuals at those meetings. Jeeeez.
FFS Mark at the Chester Standard, after a good start yesterday are you back to sleeping at your desk for day two? I thought we were past this. 
Would it lead to her being struck off as a nurse?
Wasn't one of the options for her to resign?
At which point, presumably, she could go to an employment tribunal.
The irony of which would be that employment tribunal would require evidence, and those involved would be suitably prepared - unlike the grievance process.
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