Lucy Letby Case #74

[IGiveUp22]

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This is the kind of ignorance that is out there. ‘Mum saw some blood IN mouth’

NO!!! STOP!!! Mum did a diagram for the police showing where she saw the blood. This was shown to jury. I saw it with my own eyes. It was all around the mouth. There was no mistaking how it appeared and you are not going to misremember something like that.

Again this comes back to the same thing, people who didn’t go to the trial, didn’t see the evidence, didn’t follow it are again, cherry picking random things and trying to offer “explanations” that are ridiculous because they don’t even have the basics correct in the first place.

A lot of these people very obviously have 0 understanding of how the criminal justice system work and how impactful witness evidence is during a criminal trial.

They will never understand and don’t appear to even have the capacity to understand how offensive a lot of there posts actually are. It’s disgraceful. This is one of the main reasons I hate the internet - it gives people like this a platform and they’re able to spout so much rubbish as if it’s fact.

 

[Tofino]

Dad of two triplets killed by Lucy Letby has 'vivid nightmares' of hospital

The triplets parents say hospital bosses should have never taken them as patients while knowing something untoward was going on with Lucy Letby on the ward

www.mirror.co.uk

He added: "I am often sat up night until 1am unable to switch my brain off... I still have vivid nightmares of being back in the hospital. I also have angry dreams where I tell myself I should have done more, I also have angry dreams about Lucy Letby
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https://amp.archive.is/oldest/https...y-tells-inquiry-of-frantic-scenes-at-hospital

 

[AllieBee]

Dad of two triplets killed by Lucy Letby has 'vivid nightmares' of hospital

The triplets parents say hospital bosses should have never taken them as patients while knowing something untoward was going on with Lucy Letby on the ward

www.mirror.co.uk

He added: "I am often sat up night until 1am unable to switch my brain off... I still have vivid nightmares of being back in the hospital. I also have angry dreams where I tell myself I should have done more, I also have angry dreams about Lucy Letby
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https://amp.12ft.io/https://www.arc...y-tells-inquiry-of-frantic-scenes-at-hospital

The parents statements just break my heart. Far from being a scapegoat it seems like the hospital went to endless lengths to cover for that evil twisted witch!

 

[Tofino]

Tomorrow we have the first expert witnesses (safeguarding and child death process). It’s my understanding we may get broadcasting clips going forwards, limited to a maximum 5 mins per witness, unless the witness has agreed in advance it can be longer. I’ve no doubt some press will have requested this from some witnesses!!

I think this policy suggests news outlets can each have 5 minutes. So they might choose different parts. Next time there will be continuous live streaming will be closing statements. Also only the outlets below can have access to the broadcast quality live stream to take clips from.

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-documents/Media-Broadcast-Protocol.pdf

and as an extra funny, Peter Elston was refused all access

 

[sebanna]

I think it was mmmbop that pointed this bit out the other day and I just want to revisit it because something is suspsicious and doesn’t sit right with me.

Baby E died at 1.40am. At some point the parents left him to go back to their unit. Letby writes at 8.21am parents resident on unit and wish to be left alone.
parents come back in the morning (time not specified) to find their dead baby still in the incubator and letby says ‘you haven’t told us to take him’.
Questions really and I’m not sure they can be answered - why weren’t they offered the family room after he died, we know it happened with baby c
When they left to go back to their room, what was said about would happen with baby e’s little body
Why would any nurse say ‘you haven’t told us to take him’
But why were other staff not questioning why he was left in his incubator for hours after the parent had left? Or am I naive in how quickly the hospital can take a baby away?
if Lucy manipulated this entire situation for some sadistic thrill then how did she get away with it?

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I agree that baby E's mum's evidence is very strong.

The fact that Baby E's mum immediately noticed the time error and then contacted her mobile phone provider for evidence speaks volumes. She would have visited at 9pm with the milk seen the blood and then rang her husband. If she had been visiting at 10pm she would have stayed on NNU and the midwife would not have been needed to bring her down. The crime scene 2 youtube video was really good at explaining the strength of her evidence.
The way the family was treated after baby E's death was horrific. While a terrible time, it was the only opportunity the parents had to spend private time with their son but Letby took that. How those poor parents cope with the fact that both babies were with Letby and she was plotting to attack baby F, I don't know.
The hospital must have a policy for supporting bereaved parents but it can't have been followed here. I wonder if Lucy took control if the situation and the other staff left her to it.

 

[Tofino]

I agree that baby E's mum's evidence is very strong.

The fact that Baby E's mum immediately noticed the time error and then contacted her mobile phone provider for evidence speaks volumes. She would have visited at 9pm with the milk seen the blood and then rang her husband. If she had been visiting at 10pm she would have stayed on NNU and the midwife would not have been needed to bring her down. The crime scene 2 youtube video was really good at explaining the strength of her evidence.
The way the family was treated after baby E's death was horrific. While a terrible time, it was the only opportunity the parents had to spend private time with their son but Letby took that. How those poor parents cope with the fact that both babies were with Letby and she was plotting to attack baby F, I don't know.
The hospital must have a policy for supporting bereaved parents but it can't have been followed here. I wonder if Lucy took control if the situation and the other staff left her to it.

Yep even if you discount all phone records, mum bringing down milk for their feed (which Letby agrees she came down for) is backed up by the feeding chart that the babies feed was at 9pm. The phone records supports her further, but her account is still credible even without it.
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Sarah Knapton
Letby hospital baby delivery ‘like something out of horror film’

Lucy Letby hospital baby delivery 'like something out of horror film'…

archived 25 Sep 2024 16:36:10 UTC

archive.ph

Wow. She actually dared include something negative about Letby. Right at the end of the article though

 

[Aberscot]

Why have they only got up to 10th October for the inquiry, I thought it wasn’t due to finish till beginning of the year?
Also do we recon it’s Drnoname next week, I bet he’s shitting himself.

 

[Tofino]

Why have they only got up to 10th October for the inquiry, I thought it wasn’t due to finish till beginning of the year?
Also do we recon it’s Drnoname next week, I bet he’s shitting himself.

Do you mean on the timetable? they started off only showing the first three weeks and then as it’s progressed they add another week. I’m wondering if it’s to do with scheduling and incase there are any unexpected delays. I’m hoping they will add actual names to the hospital staff days in advance. Tomorrows just said expert witness for until the end of last week then they added specific names

 

[Aberscot]

Do you mean on the timetable? they started off only showing the first three weeks and then as it’s progressed they add another week. I’m wondering if it’s to do with scheduling and incase there are any unexpected delays. I’m hoping they will add actual names to the hospital staff days in advance. Tomorrows just said expert witness for until the end of last week then they added specific names

Yeah, thanks I hadn’t noticed they were adding them gradually.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Yes I have read somewhere that the live feed starts again tomorrow.

 

[jolt321]

but then they ignore that Letby told mum she had already called a registrar at 9pm when her own notes prove she hadn’t.

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Oooh… excellent point to raise from baby E’s mum

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Yes I would not be surprised if no one at Liverpool women's does this or has any memory of telling Letby this.

It would be fairly easy for the police to find out if this was actual protocol when Letby was there and if it wasn't, it's another massive fib from Letby and makes her look even guiltier for trying to get into room 1

 

[Tofino]

@O'lee I’ve been wondering if you are you planning to go to the inquiry in person? I remember you went to the Chester hearing.

 

[craig84]

And I hate to say this but presumably Baby F was being kept warm and poor Baby E at that point needs to be kept cool I can just imagine that if any other nurse questioned seeing the poor babies there together despite baby E having been dead for several hours, that Letby must have told them the parents requested it or something? Or has Letby retrieved baby E from somewhere and placed them there?? It’s just beyond my comprehension. I cannot imagine how Mother E felt seeing baby E back in there and her alive baby next to her deceased baby. Just horrifying.

Didn't she take a photo of Baby F with Baby E's teddy after she'd murdered him and tried to make out that Baby F had rolled over and cuddled his dead brothers teddy? or did this happen with another set of twins?

 

[MmmB777]

Didn't she take a photo of Baby F with Baby E's teddy after she'd murdered him and tried to make out that Baby F had rolled over and cuddled his dead brothers teddy? or did this happen with another set of twins?

Oh god yes there was definitely something like this and people pointed out newborn babies, especially preemies, can’t roll. I can’t remember for sure which twins but I feel like it was E&F

 

[Tofino]

NHS duty of candour 'not honoured' - Letby inquiry

The parents of two triplets killed by Lucy Letby say they were left in the dark about what was happening.

www.bbc.co.uk

The BBC telling it straight at least


The triplets were born in good health and continued to be stable until Letby returned from a holiday in Ibiza and became their designated nurse, the inquiry heard.

She injected air into the bloodstream and stomach of Baby O and also inflicted a liver injury of the kind usually associated with the impact of a road collision.

Baby P died after Letby administered air into his stomach via a nasogastric tube.

Lady Thirlwall is always so compassionate towards the families and has really understood them

Lady Thirlwall praised them for saving the third child's life despite their "awful experiences".

She added: "Thanks to your quick thinking at a time when you were devastated you insisted and managed to achieve [the surviving triplet] being transferred to Liverpool Women's Hospital where they seemed to thrive from the moment they got there.

"There is no question that made a huge difference."

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Oh god yes there was definitely something like this and people pointed out newborn babies, especially preemies, can’t roll. I can’t remember for sure which twins but I feel like it was E&F

yes it was I remember reading it in the transcript this morning.

 

[kabukigirl]

I think it was mmmbop that pointed this bit out the other day and I just want to revisit it because something is suspsicious and doesn’t sit right with me.

Baby E died at 1.40am. At some point the parents left him to go back to their unit. Letby writes at 8.21am parents resident on unit and wish to be left alone.
parents come back in the morning (time not specified) to find their dead baby still in the incubator and letby says ‘you haven’t told us to take him’.
Questions really and I’m not sure they can be answered - why weren’t they offered the family room after he died, we know it happened with baby c
When they left to go back to their room, what was said about would happen with baby e’s little body
Why would any nurse say ‘you haven’t told us to take him’
But why were other staff not questioning why he was left in his incubator for hours after the parent had left? Or am I naive in how quickly the hospital can take a baby away?
if Lucy manipulated this entire situation for some sadistic thrill then how did she get away with it?

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I don’t like her gratuitous addition of “both distraught..” into the notes - of course they are going to be. She’s revelling in it the horrible ag

 

[Tofino]

Actually I can’t find it in the transcript but it’s in the wiki from the trial.

 

[MavisBeacon]

bleeping grief thieving ghoul

 

[Aberscot]

Transcript of baby J and K parents is now up

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Thirlwall-Inquiry-23-September-2024.pdf

 

[sebanna]

Just read the transcript of baby J. She was a surviving twin. Her mum's breastfeeding milk went missing on Letby's shift. She had a central line to give medicine directly into her aorta and Letby removed the stoma bag!