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So she was tampering with machines to turn the alarms off. Exactly as Dr Jayaram said with Babt K(?).

Also poor Baby L being her “favourite”. She was clearly enjoying ‘experimenting’ on him 😭
 

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From reading the transcripts I get the impression the unit as a whole was a bit chaotic. It seems like the procedures that were in place weren't always followed, and I can see how her actions were able to fly under the radar as no one seems to really be in charge or in control of anything at all. Absolutely not trying to absolve her of any blame here, because I 100% believe she is guilty, but I think it is important to recognise the flaws in the system that enabled her.
 
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So she was tampering with machines to turn the alarms off. Exactly as Dr Jayaram said with Babt K(?).

Also poor Baby L being her “favourite”. She was clearly enjoying ‘experimenting’ on him 😭
I think she was probably doing this kind of stuff really regularly. Whilst I appreciate that CocH is coming out of this less than perfect (obviously management side of things totally crap) I cannot help but see the ward as literally like having a cancerous growth eating away at it. She was messing with the stomas, she was cutting lines, she was turning off alarms, she was throwing away milk, she was overfeeding, likely missing feeds, shoving feeds down, poisoning who knows how many, putting liquid in babies, blood in nappies, dislodging tubes. That description baby J’s mum gives of the nurse just with her head in her hands, totally exasperated really says it all. Letby seemed to delight in creating shifts like that.
Round GHIJ she was just causing total total chaos I think so much so that this is when parents were talking about this bizarre virus as babies just weren’t getting on how they should have been. No wonder everyone was completely and utterly stretched and not on dazzling form. Some things are inexcusable but I cannot imagine how stressful and horrendous it must have been to be trying to work and give care in that environment.
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Wow. Letby who is experiencing all these awful sudden deteriorations and deaths of babies on her shift seems very nonchalant about baby M not having the monitor on. Seeing as this is a baby that had a completely unexpected prolonged cardiac arrest to the point that they thought he was dead previously. I get the impression Letby was cross with Mum for turning up and noticing and remarking on the monitor.
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Lucy didn't appear to want to work at another hospital. Given her love of medical drama you would think she would want to work at a level 3 NNU, maybe she thought she was more likely to fly under the radar at Ccoh.
 
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From reading the transcripts I get the impression the unit as a whole was a bit chaotic. It seems like the procedures that were in place weren't always followed, and I can see how her actions were able to fly under the radar as no one seems to really be in charge or in control of anything at all. Absolutely not trying to absolve her of any blame here, because I 100% believe she is guilty, but I think it is important to recognise the flaws in the system that enabled her.
Eirian Powell needs to shoulder a lot of the blame, not only for how appallingly tge unit was managed but because she refused to act on concerns when they were raised.
 
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That sounds to me that Hitchens is starting a very long climb down. For the first time he's said "Of course I may be wrong and Miss Letby may well be guilty but we need to have a re-trial just in case"

Which is ridiculous obviously but also a long way from his free dumb flag waving of the past few weeks where it was all a travesty and an unravelling of the golden thread of British justice before our very eyes!

ETA: I forgot the bloody link, didn't I?
twit.

 
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That sounds to me that Hitchens is starting a very long climb down. For the first time he's said "Of course I may be wrong and Miss Letby may well be guilty but we need to have a re-trial just in case"

Which is ridiculous obviously but also a long way from his free dumb flag waving of the past few weeks where it was all a travesty and an unravelling of the golden thread of British justice before our very eyes!

ETA: I forgot the bloody link, didn't I?
twit.

And what's happened to Davies and Dorries? They've completely shut up about Letby, all we need now is for Hammond to button his mouth! And for the 'experts' to bow out. Wonder what the flat earthers will do then?
 
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That sounds to me that Hitchens is starting a very long climb down. For the first time he's said "Of course I may be wrong and Miss Letby may well be guilty but we need to have a re-trial just in case"

Which is ridiculous obviously but also a long way from his free dumb flag waving of the past few weeks where it was all a travesty and an unravelling of the golden thread of British justice before our very eyes!

ETA: I forgot the bloody link, didn't I?
twit.

Oh he quite often likes to say he could be wrong and he doesn’t know enough and isn’t sure. Because I don’t believe for one second he does want to actually look at the evidence in any detail. Far too lazy. Just likes the money rolling in, the work and attention it’s bringing him. Being fawned over by the Butterly bleeps. It’s been pointed out to him several times on X that if he doesn’t know enough and isn’t sure then he probably shouldn’t be making himself this bleeping spokesperson for the weirdo crew and putting the parents through hell.
 
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Articles today all seem to be along these lines
It's difficult to see how you could have training etc to spot a murderer. They are so so rare, and probably be good at hiding giveaway signs if they knew what they were. Far simpler surely to make sure that all managers act immediately on concerns once raised. No one can ever stop a serial killer because they aren't a killer till they've murdered someone and by then it's too late, but you can limit their potential to kill and harm so many.
 
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I’ve just seen this on Reddit. I pinched the photos. From Private Eye. Any guesses who it is? 🤣

I guess they have not been called due to their inability to answer the questions asked. And I expect this is the reason Myers wouldn’t have called her as a defence witness.

It literally has zero meaning if a nurse (or all of them for that matter!) think Letby is innocent. It’s not a miscarriage of justice because Letby’s colleagues don’t think she did the crime. You don’t determine someone’s guilt based on what Janet Cox or the like think ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

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It's difficult to see how you could have training etc to spot a murderer. They are so so rare, and probably be good at hiding giveaway signs if they knew what they were. Far simpler surely to make sure that all managers act immediately on concerns once raised. No one can ever stop a serial killer because they aren't a killer till they've murdered someone and by then it's too late, but you can limit their potential to kill and harm so many.
The RSS say they will be at the inquiry to inform on how to use statistics to "facilitate early detection of anomalies". Not quite sure how that works seeing some of their members believe Letby was just a spike and spikes happen all the time: someone wins the lottery every week, move along nothing to see here, etc, etc.

Someone should have told Dr Brearey straight away about Bayes theorem then poor Lucy would not have been subject to this gross injustice.
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I cannot abide Hitchens. Pompous lazy bleep.
He's just a clown. What I find unforgiveable is the experts giving their opinion to the media from an uninformed position. The very fact they have done this raises questions about their integrity and motivations. It would not surprise me if none of them sees the inside of a courtroom as an expert witness in this case.
 
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I’ve just seen this on Reddit. I pinched the photos. From Private Eye. Any guesses who it is? 🤣

I guess they have not been called due to their inability to answer the questions asked. And I expect this is the reason Myers wouldn’t have called her as a defence witness.

It literally has zero meaning if a nurse (or all of them for that matter!) think Letby is innocent. It’s not a miscarriage of justice because Letby’s colleagues don’t think she did the crime. You don’t determine someone’s guilt based on what Janet Cox or the like think ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

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This is quite shocking how a NNU nurse can be so blasé about that number of deaths and unexpected collapses. " The very reason these babies require admission to a NNU was because they had a high chance of dying or collapsing". This is just not true, they were in a level 2 not 3 NNU. Babies L, M, O and P were over 33 weeks. Babies J and N over 34 weeks and baby D full term. Baby J was stable enough to be cared for in a room with her parents. It worries me that parents with babies currently will be worried by Private eyes obsession with proving Lucy is innocent.
Surely the majority of the nurses worked out what she was doing and hated working with her. This nurse was probably Janet.
 
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This is quite shocking how a NNU nurse can be so blasé about that number of deaths and unexpected collapses. " The very reason these babies require admission to a NNU was because they had a high chance of dying or collapsing". This is just not true, they were in a level 2 not 3 NNU. Babies L, M, O and P were over 33 weeks. Babies J and N over 34 weeks and baby D full term. Baby J was stable enough to be cared for in a room with her parents. It worries me that parents with babies currently will be worried by Private eyes obsession with proving Lucy is innocent.
Surely the majority of the nurses worked out what she was doing and hated working with her. This nurse was probably Janet.
It must have been a great unit. All these poorly babies and hardly any died until Letby came back from her training.
 
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This is quite shocking how a NNU nurse can be so blasé about that number of deaths and unexpected collapses. " The very reason these babies require admission to a NNU was because they had a high chance of dying or collapsing". This is just not true, they were in a level 2 not 3 NNU. Babies L, M, O and P were over 33 weeks. Babies J and N over 34 weeks and baby D full term. Baby J was stable enough to be cared for in a room with her parents. It worries me that parents with babies currently will be worried by Private eyes obsession with proving Lucy is innocent.
Surely the majority of the nurses worked out what she was doing and hated working with her. This nurse was probably Janet.
I thought it was shocking for a nurse to say that about the collapses and the death rate, like none of this was any big deal at all.

I don’t think Janet was a nurse though was she? I thought a nursery nurse so I think she must have been mainly in room 4? and obviously not as qualified.
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I still think it’s Janet but I think the article or Janet herself has been misleading calling her a nurse. Everyone will assume qualified, registered nurse.
 
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She’s mentioned as a Nurse in one of the parent’s testimonies but I’m sure she was called a Nursery Nurse in the trial. I can’t remember which one but they say she had a go at another nurse who was going to let their baby have a bath. She sounds like a total gob just like her bestie 🤢 little weirdos together. She can duck right off.
 
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Janet is definitely a nursery nurse.
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My niece gets her pin on the 1st October … we went into Manchester today for lunch to celebrate. She’s terrified !
Sorry for the de rail
 
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