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Dr Hall, criticising Lady Thirlwall for making the point that people doubting Lucy's guilt didn't sit through the trial when he did. The article says he produced 17 reports on the indictment babies for defence. After reading them BM chose not to call him.
he’s just butt hurt Myers didn’t call him up. His expert opinion clearly wasn’t robust enough.

honestly I’m sick of the press on both sides. I’ve seen Peter Hitchens and Chris Snowdon have recorded a podcast and I just feel like people are just using the case to keep themselves relevant. I suspect all articles are click generators so it’s worth it for the press to keep debating it and have the likes of Hitchens, Snowdon and Dan Hodges keep arguing about it on social media.
 
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Dr Hall, criticising Lady Thirlwall for making the point that people doubting Lucy's guilt didn't sit through the trial when he did. The article says he produced 17 reports on the indictment babies for defence. After reading them BM chose not to call him.
Dr Hall is in no position to say that she had an unfair trial, the court of appeal judgement confirmed that she did so that is not up for debate. He clearly doesnt have any understanding of the law. There was a reason BM didnt chose not to call him. He said that some of the causes of death were hard to explain and he couldn't rule of air embolism as a cause of death in many. That ìs not a great deference for Letby.
 
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I think Myers thought it was safer to cherry pick parts of Hall's report for his closing statements rather than risk BNE cross examination.
 
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he’s just butt hurt Myers didn’t call him up. His expert opinion clearly wasn’t robust enough.

honestly I’m sick of the press on both sides. I’ve seen Peter Hitchens and Chris Snowdon have recorded a podcast and I just feel like people are just using the case to keep themselves relevant. I suspect all articles are click generators so it’s worth it for the press to keep debating it and have the likes of Hitchens, Snowdon and Dan Hodges keep arguing about it on social media.
It's disgusting that the babies and families are being treated a pawns in this and journalists have completely ignored and disrespected their pleas to stop spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories.
 
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https://www.removepaywall.com/https...EqM6yT5GMn0s8h7kDg_aem_6nEm2WLMy1yZ7IP250OL0Q Another day and another installment of innocence fraud from the Telegraph's Sarah Knapton

The jury in Letby's first trial were provided with a "heat map" showing which Doctors were present for which events
They are going to have to be careful with how much they complain about this because it might undermine every argument they try to make, particularly sharp shooter fallacy and evidence of harm.

If they want to start accusing the doctor of doing the harm and they got the wrong person with Lucy (just like Stepping Hill) then to do so would be to accept the evidence is strong enough to not doubt harm.

Anyway why does it matter to them if they think the doctor wasn’t included - I thought the chart was bad statistics and shouldn’t have been used anyway?
 
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She is vile. She keeps writing deliberately misleading articles like this. Very irresponsible considering how much abuse the doctors have received from conspiracy theorists.
Indeed she is. She's punting absolute nonsense that a nobody on the internet like me is able to debunk in two minutes with a few screenshots from the Chester Standard live feed.
 
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It's must be so infuriating for the parents. The newspapers twisting the facts to make their child's murderer look like a victim when she's as guilty as sin.
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The statistics argument is falling apart because they wasn't suspicious collapses/ deaths when Lucy wasn't there. She was present for far more incidents then she was charged with.
The sewage argument isn't supported by the medical evidence. Most of deaths showed no markers of infection.
The scapegoat theory doesn't work because the senior managers desperately wanted to sweep it under the carpet.
Yet these articles keep appearing.
 
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I think Myers thought it was safer to cherry pick parts of Hall's report for his closing statements rather than risk BNE cross examination.

the reddit experts will lecture you that there was no case to answer so the defence didn't need to call witnesses (apart from a plumber)
 
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Dr Hall, criticising Lady Thirlwall for making the point that people doubting Lucy's guilt didn't sit through the trial when he did. The article says he produced 17 reports on the indictment babies for defence. After reading them BM chose not to call him.
There was a barrister on the Trial podcast that dealt with this. According to him, one reason for not calling an expert witness is that what they are going to say is potentially detrimental to the defence case - particularly under cross examination.
 
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It appears she was dislodging breathing tubes, cutting long lines, giving injections of insulin nearly all the time but mostly it didn't lead to a major problem. It says on the police interview, three days after being told she was being moved to day shifts, because of suspicious incidents she struck again. This suggests she had some kind of uncontrollable compulsion to attack when common sense would be to lie low for a while. She was then thankfully removed from babies but then left with these horrible impulses that had no outlet.
Hopefully not being around babies anymore put an end to her impulses, unless she really did go into nursing just to do what she did (personally I don't think so but who knows) I absolutely think she just couldn't help herself whilst on the unit so laying low would've been out of the question. If she could control herself that much she probably wouldn't have done any of it. She was totally addicted to the attention and drama of it all. I mean she said she loved her job in the police interview which is a bit telling considering all the trauma of having so many babies die and collapse unexpectedly on her shifts! Still can't get over her being moved to the risk and patient safety office.
 
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There was a barrister on the Trial podcast that dealt with this. According to him, one reason for not calling an expert witness is that what they are going to say is potentially detrimental to the defence case - particularly under cross examination.
And those two barristers on the podcast both agreed they themselves had had cases where they had not called witnesses because it wouldn't have helped their cases. They concluded by saying that was the probable explanation for Myers not calling a medical witness.
 
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And those two barristers on the podcast both agreed they themselves had had cases where they had not called witnesses because it wouldn't have helped their cases. They concluded by saying that was the probable explanation for Myers not calling a medical witness.
Yes Ben Myers knew their evidence would not stand up under cross-examination. It's the only plausible reason they weren't called.
 
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Yes Ben Myers knew their evidence would not stand up under cross-examination. It's the only plausible reason they weren't called.
My reckoning is that even the defence experts couldn't justify a more likely natural explanation for each episode of death or harm, in babies that were otherwise mostly doing OK. So they'd have been torn apart by the prosecution.
The first thing the prosecution proved was that there was deliberate harm, the second thing was that it was Letby causing it.
If it wasn't Letby, then the Innosimps (and the hospital) still have to explain how so many babies came to unexpectedly die or suffer harm on that ward.
 
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My reckoning is that even the defence experts couldn't justify a more likely natural explanation for each episode of death or harm, in babies that were otherwise mostly doing OK. So they'd have been torn apart by the prosecution.
The first thing the prosecution proved was that there was deliberate harm, the second thing was that it was Letby causing it.
If it wasn't Letby, then the Innosimps (and the hospital) still have to explain how so many babies came to unexpectedly die or suffer harm on that ward.
Seems like Dr Hall in particular was desperate to share his expertise with the Court but was kept on a short leash by Ben Myers - who knew the disaster that awaited.
 
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My reckoning is that even the defence experts couldn't justify a more likely natural explanation for each episode of death or harm, in babies that were otherwise mostly doing OK. So they'd have been torn apart by the prosecution.
The first thing the prosecution proved was that there was deliberate harm, the second thing was that it was Letby causing it.
If it wasn't Letby, then the Innosimps (and the hospital) still have to explain how so many babies came to unexpectedly die or suffer harm on that ward.
Innosimps is perfect 🤣

The way Dr Hall is slutting his indignation at not being called up, around on social media / the press I bet BM is relieved they didn’t use him
 
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