Lucy Letby Case #74

[Tofino]

I find it infuriating that despite the families' pleas for people to stop spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories as it is causing them a huge amount of distress. The likes of Knapton are completely ignoring this and are creating clickbaity articles like this to whip up the conspiracy theorists. Trying to frame the consultants as liars, less than a week after it was reported that a medical witness was physically attacked and another had to report abuse on social media to the police. They are morally bankrupt.

Doctor who helped convict Lucy Letby previously said there was 'no ob…

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To me this reads like both Breary and Jayaram were purposely avoiding direct criminal allegations against a colleague on formal record. Rather than the insinuation that they are just making up allegations at a later date. We know they wanted it to go to the police by this stage and they were not being supported by their own employer.

But anyway sounds like this will be covered with them in evidence.

 

[AllieBee]

I'm just catching up (it's been a week!) so apologies if this has been covered, but I can provide some answers re. emails.

Emails are part of the official record, so the inquiry will have access. In the public sector organisation I work for, the inboxes and sent items folders of specific key individuals are retained in their entirety, but we also have the ability to do a search across all emails for keywords. For example, we harvested and retained emails mentioning Covid to demonstrate how we responded to the pandemic.

As for deleting incriminating emails, once there is an investigation underway the organisation are forbidden from deleting any records as part of the discovery process. Anyone doing this would be breaking the law. Also, you can delete emails from your computer but they may still be available on the organisation's servers, at least for a period. Trying to cover up incriminating behaviour like this would be very risky.

ETA we work with a lot of inquiries, and this is the way it usually works in my experience anyway

Thanks for this its a great answer
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To me this reads like both Breary and Jayaram were purposely avoiding direct criminal allegations against a colleague on formal record. Rather than the insinuation that they are just making up allegations at a later date. We know they wanted it to go to the police by this stage and they were not being supported by their own employer.

But anyway sounds like this will be covered with them in evidence.


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Exactly. It's so rare that I'm sure they thought she was simply incompetent initially. And they are right it's not for them to decide if someone's a criminal all they could do is raise their concerns and get it investigated

 

[Fruitshop]

I know this is irrelevant but her head was proper massive when she was a kid

 

[AllieBee]

I know this is irrelevant but her head was proper massive when she was a kid

I bet she used to torture animals as a kid.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

ahhh this is a great find!! Very very interesting thread.

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they ask her about it in the police interviews. This is the transcript bit. The jury will have heard this but I don’t remember it being reported as any extra evidence.

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So was she going back into the notes weeks or months after they had died?! I can’t imagine any legitimate reason to do this other than on request if you’re being called to the coroner’s. You would absolutely know if you had accessed a deceased patient’s notes because you would have a reason. The only other instance where it would even cross my mind was if you were still on shift after an unexpected death and suspected something had been apparent/overlooked on the bloods and wanted to be clear in your mind when writing it up. It’s disturbing and ghoulish (and illegal) if this is what they are talking about.

 

[Nattyratty]

Ha ha and quite bleeping right too!

Dr Gibbs is the most amazing caring paediatrician Consultant and this must have broken him as he’s aged so much.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Oh do duck OFF you moron.

 

[wibble]

Why aren't abbreviations used in the post it notes?

 

[Tomi2015]

Oh do duck OFF you moron.

My god that man’s bleeping ego. He’s so far up his own a, he could lick the back of his tongue
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I think it's this perverted b that's the thick one. So narrow minded and completely blinkered to the truth. Why are Letby fans so dense and stupid.

He’s bleeping depraved

 

[Daisydunn15]

I know this is irrelevant but her head was proper massive when she was a kid

What an odd face, she looks ill.

 

[jolt321]

To me this reads like both Breary and Jayaram were purposely avoiding direct criminal allegations against a colleague on formal record. Rather than the insinuation that they are just making up allegations at a later date. We know they wanted it to go to the police by this stage and they were not being supported by their own employer.

But anyway sounds like this will be covered with them in evidence.


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Yes didn't Dr Jayaram also have some sort of legal or union advice when writing the apology letter, so that he specifically wasn't stating that Letby hadn't done anything wrong.

 

[sebanna]

I bet she used to torture animals as a kid.

Hopefully not! She had a Yorkie as a child, who was called Whiskey, nicked name Tiny boy, he was mentioned on a post it note. Wonder if Tigger and Smudge were always at the vet. I hope she didn't take it out on them when she couldn't get to babies.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Ok, own up. Which of you lovely lot posted this beauty?

 

[Tomi2015]

I bet she used to torture animals as a kid.

Some serial killers are not necessarily animal abusers. Dennis Nilsen loved his dog. It was the first thing he showed concern about when he got arrested

 

[LittleMy]

Some serial killers are not necessarily animal abusers. Dennis Nilsen loved his dog. It was the first thing he showed concern about when he got arrested

She probably showed more care and concern for the pets than the tiny babies she murdered.

 

[AllieBee]

Some serial killers are not necessarily animal abusers. Dennis Nilsen loved his dog. It was the first thing he showed concern about when he got arrested

Yeah, guess I've always thought that a lot of psychopaths start off with torturing animals before they move on to humans.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Yeah, guess I've always thought that a lot of psychopaths start off with torturing animals before they move on to humans.

She might’ve cared well for her pets but it wouldn’t surprise me if they had dramatic vet trips over non-existent problems. JMO. But then again, on the surface she doesn’t fit the classic serial killer profile. I’m still intrigued to hear from people who actually had dealings with her away from work, like when she had her knee surgery etc- was that a factitious problem (knees and backs are favourites of “malingerers” because you would often need several different X-rays, scans, appointments to identify a problem. They can then complain it’s still painful and push for exploratory surgery. I grew up around a family friend who had factitious disorder and she had multiple investigations and procedures on back and knees over the years- none of which achieved a diagnosis or got rid of the problems). Again just speculation on my part but there’s no way she could have appeared 100% normal 100% of the time.

 

[sebanna]

It appears she was dislodging breathing tubes, cutting long lines, giving injections of insulin nearly all the time but mostly it didn't lead to a major problem. It says on the police interview, three days after being told she was being moved to day shifts, because of suspicious incidents she struck again. This suggests she had some kind of uncontrollable compulsion to attack when common sense would be to lie low for a while. She was then thankfully removed from babies but then left with these horrible impulses that had no outlet.

 

[sebanna]

Just noticed in the September 10th transcript, that babies O and P cause of death is listed as " extreme prematurity" when they were born at 33 weeks! I wonder if an error has occurred somewhere when the board was reviewing their deaths.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Just noticed in the September 10th transcript, that babies O and P cause of death is listed as " extreme prematurity" when they were born at 33 weeks! I wonder if an error has occurred somewhere when the board was reviewing their deaths.

I always remember this about the triplets, how mum had managed to carry them and keep them safely growing for so long. They were expected to do well even if they would require help and be smaller than single babies.

Off topic
I’ve just re-read my earlier post and wanted to add it was in no way aimed at people who genuinely suffer chronic pain of unknown causes, my sympathy goes out to them, particularly women who don’t get believed when it comes to health matters. I was literally drawing on my own experience of our dear friend who suffered with factitious disorder and underwent many unnecessary procedures over the years because the doctors got worn down and couldn’t say no. The very sad irony is that she eventually died from an undiagnosed heart condition which she was symptomatic of, and which was treated as anxiety due to her mental health problems. She however was a very kind person who only did harm to herself and couldn’t really help it.