Not common at all unless there's a reason for it such as a complaint coming in or something like that. I've never hone back to a record without a reason. I guess she was making sure she had covered her tracks but not as clever as she thought she was.I don’t think we heard about her going back to access patient fileshow common would it be for a nurse to do something like that after a baby has discharged? Maybe for the reflections thing that this thread discussed during the trial but then that would be far more easy to explain and backed up by your actual reflections notes.
The photos could have been in the cloud? Or saved to her laptop?
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Did they ever have a laptop for her? Good shout about a cloud. Would love to know for sure because if she got rid of it and can’t remember even what type of device it wasI don’t think we heard about her going back to access patient files
The photos could have been in the cloud? Or saved to her laptop?
very suspicious. Oh yes reflections 
no evidence of that in her paper collection though 
Those interviews are all about HER.
I had a vague recollection but on checking I think they just called it a computerDid they ever have a laptop for her? Good shout about a cloud. Would love to know for sure because if she got rid of it and can’t remember even what type of device it was
Two odd things from the interviews...
First when she claimed not to have had any training on the dangers of air embolism.
And then when she made a similar claim about insulin - which made me question if she had ever done GCSE Biology.
First when she claimed not to have had any training on the dangers of air embolism.
And then when she made a similar claim about insulin - which made me question if she had ever done GCSE Biology.
I have an odd feeling about the handover note in the keepsake box. I wonder if that baby survived. I wonder if we'll ever hear any more about that. The keepsake box is so chilling.
Just saying thank you to the people here doing all your research and analysis. I found these threads back at the 'Wrong Fella Della' point and they've really brought all the evidence together for me.
I'm not surprised at the obsessive band of fans and social media amplifying them but I'm more annoyed at the trad media giving them house room and Hitchens et al jumping on - clearly imagining they are going to be prophets in some Birmingham Six type scenario.
But I am SO glad to see this enquiry and I hope it's the start to calling some of these dreadful incompetents to account. I've been in meetings with managers like that - with their phoney BeKind viciousness and their f***ing lanyards. Cowards.
I'm not surprised at the obsessive band of fans and social media amplifying them but I'm more annoyed at the trad media giving them house room and Hitchens et al jumping on - clearly imagining they are going to be prophets in some Birmingham Six type scenario.
But I am SO glad to see this enquiry and I hope it's the start to calling some of these dreadful incompetents to account. I've been in meetings with managers like that - with their phoney BeKind viciousness and their f***ing lanyards. Cowards.
If I remember correctly the handover sheet she kept in the keepsake box was blank and in pristine condition. It was a long time ago so I could be wrong.
She’s a strange one that’s for sure
Being nosey, and somewhat annoyed by David Davis, I went and had look a look at this £100,000 claim.
www.gov.uk
The company which covers Manchester Crown Court is Martin Walsh Cherer, who charge £1.47 per 73 words for 2 day service, or £1.23 per 73 for 12 working days, and 10p per page. Given the length of the trial, that £100,000 figure is probably about right.
However, you don't have to request the whole transcript. You can request specific parts of it by date, by witness etc. And presumably, the merry band of naysayers could all chip in, or look at the specific parts that fit their "expertise".
Assuming of course that this isn't another example of "oh it's all so impossible!" and "the system is against Lucy!"
Surely her lawyers have a copy?
And presumably the television companies that have made documentaries on her innocence have them?
Why don't they ask them to run off a photocopy?
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The company which covers Manchester Crown Court is Martin Walsh Cherer, who charge £1.47 per 73 words for 2 day service, or £1.23 per 73 for 12 working days, and 10p per page. Given the length of the trial, that £100,000 figure is probably about right.
However, you don't have to request the whole transcript. You can request specific parts of it by date, by witness etc. And presumably, the merry band of naysayers could all chip in, or look at the specific parts that fit their "expertise".
Assuming of course that this isn't another example of "oh it's all so impossible!" and "the system is against Lucy!"
Surely her lawyers have a copy?
And presumably the television companies that have made documentaries on her innocence have them?
Why don't they ask them to run off a photocopy?
So I've finally had a chance to settle in for a listen to the CSTC reading of the unreleased police interviews.
3 mins in & we have from her own mouth that she had written the notes off her own bat. That the only person she had sought any help for her anxiety from was her own GP. Who prescribed "just some anti-depressants"
She denies that she had any form of counselling prior to penning the notes, let alone asserting that she had written them on the advice of a pratcitioner or under circumstances which call for therapist patient confidentiality.
They are so full of just plain inaccurate tit and far too few people are calling them out for it.
3 mins in & we have from her own mouth that she had written the notes off her own bat. That the only person she had sought any help for her anxiety from was her own GP. Who prescribed "just some anti-depressants"
She denies that she had any form of counselling prior to penning the notes, let alone asserting that she had written them on the advice of a pratcitioner or under circumstances which call for therapist patient confidentiality.
They are so full of just plain inaccurate tit and far too few people are calling them out for it.
And she wrote them in July.
Wasn’t it from her first shift as a student nurse and a point was made that student nurses don’t get given them so she stole it from someone
Yes you’re right.
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And bbc reported that 99 of the sheets are from when she was a student
Yep & that was in her cross examination wasn't it?
Wow I’d totally forgotten the significance of her having 99 from her student days when she shouldn’t have had them. The obvious and total lie that these were just things that came home in her pocket when she’d literally kept them years and years, moved them house, had a shredder and kept one in a pristine keepsake box.
The way she answers in police interview as well when they first say would you have anything relating to these babies at home and she’s like hmm ooo let me think ummm. Like you either had a paper collection or you didn’t hunny. Absolute bleeping WEIRDO.
The way she answers in police interview as well when they first say would you have anything relating to these babies at home and she’s like hmm ooo let me think ummm. Like you either had a paper collection or you didn’t hunny. Absolute bleeping WEIRDO.
It’s amazing how often I hear or read something and think, oh yeah I forgot about that. Because there’s so much!!
I can’t seem to find where it said the one in the box was from her first shift though
just that she was a student. There were so many sources of reporting when she was cross examined though it could be anywhere! I’ll go check the thread from that time.---
Oh it was Dan that reported it was first shift
I wonder if this was even more of a power move than it looks and that this baby from the pristine hand over sheet has something in its file like a big vomit, tube dislodging etc. Wouldn’t shock me.It’s amazing how often I hear or read something and think, oh yeah I forgot about that. Because there’s so much!!
I can’t seem to find where it said the one in the box was from her first shift though
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Oh it was Dan that reported it was first shift
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I wonder if they are using handover sheets as a guide to investigate further babies? I've never worked in a NNU but on the wards I've worked the names of all the patients on the ward are included, so if they are suspecting that there's significance in every handover sheet, that's a whole load of babies to investigate. No wonder it's taking 3 years
I’ve probably said these things before during the trial but as others have said, there’s so much that’s striking when you are reminded. The fact that she hoarded the handovers as a student is very telling imo. Even if she just became complacent and sloppy about disposing of the sheets later in her career (unlikely ), as a student you have things like confidentiality drummed into you and you stick to the rules. When I was training a point was regularly made that you would come across experienced/older staff who had let their practice slip (this was before mandatory revalidation) and that it was very much your place to take current practice into the job and be assertive in promoting that. She obviously didn’t think the rules (and the LAW ffs!) should apply to her! She really went into this for her own nefarious purposes and not to be a conscientious student or good nurse.
Other things that are jumping out at me are from the CS2CR video talking about the notes. To me, she has written down buzzwords that she will use if/when accused- to make people wary of accusations of bullying and to show HR that she will not go quietly. It wasn’t an outpouring of feelings, it was strategy. It’s all about controlling the narrative and manipulating those around her. The tea party is another example of this, I’m paraphrasing but when someone said she was sulking and they thought she was going to be difficult on her return- controlling bully.
), as a student you have things like confidentiality drummed into you and you stick to the rules. When I was training a point was regularly made that you would come across experienced/older staff who had let their practice slip (this was before mandatory revalidation) and that it was very much your place to take current practice into the job and be assertive in promoting that. She obviously didn’t think the rules (and the LAW ffs!) should apply to her! She really went into this for her own nefarious purposes and not to be a conscientious student or good nurse.Other things that are jumping out at me are from the CS2CR video talking about the notes. To me, she has written down buzzwords that she will use if/when accused- to make people wary of accusations of bullying and to show HR that she will not go quietly. It wasn’t an outpouring of feelings, it was strategy. It’s all about controlling the narrative and manipulating those around her. The tea party is another example of this, I’m paraphrasing but when someone said she was sulking and they thought she was going to be difficult on her return- controlling bully.
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