Peter Hitchens now. And they are still arguing on X
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Peter Hitchens now. And they are still arguing on X
And those aren’t the only staff of the unit right? There were tons both in management of the unit, higher up and the nurses/doctors on the unit who weren’t outraged and shouting about her. I’ve said a few times I’m using unit as shorthand and people absolutely did defend the unit saying it wasn’t poor and there was no evidence of it - no need to gaslight me by pretending they didn’t. I know some would rather we only blamed Letby but IMO that’s not realistic, we’re hearing in great detail now how much the unit was poor.
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OH MY bleeping GOD - they didn't routinely compare death rates from year to year.
There was one specific meeting mentioned today where the death rate data quite frequently wasn't available (sounded like a hospital based admin issue i.e the presentation was missing the info). I can't remember if it was this one?
There were SO many steering groups, action groups, boards etc it's difficult to remember.
Obsessed with Letby being the only problem?
we’re all very sorry for focusing the discussion around someone as unimportant as the murdererThat’s not what I meant and anyone with a rudimentary grasp of English would know that.Obsessed with Letby being the only problem?
The inquiry is about the hospital not Letby’s guilt, sorry for wanting to be able to explore what they did wrong too.That’s not what I meant and anyone with a rudimentary grasp of English would know that.
you are so confrontational, chill out ya big dosserHearing about all these poor decisions, the apology, her tea party and snotty email. She really thought she'd got away with it and had her managers blowing smoke up her a. Gives me a warm feeling knowing how far she's fallen.
Isn't that the point of he inquiry?
Bundling everything under "The Unit" obfuscates where the decisions (and therefore blame) really lies, as it smooshes together the actions of the nurses, doctors, admin staff, management, board etc in response to a truly horrific but extremely rare situation. Letby got away with harming and killing far too many babies. The appropriate processes were not in place at many levels, from the NNU itself and the labs all the way up to the top to identify and escalate the unexplained deaths, and there seems to have been a reluctance among many people who could have done something to look too hard or risk negative publicity.
Hopefully the inquiry will tease out whether the situation at CoCH NNU was unusually shambolic/poorly run, which allowed Letby to get away with her crimes for so long, or whether it was similar to any other NNU in the country, with the only difference being they don't have serial killers at work. Either way, I hope that there is a decent set of recommendations that enables any other similar healthcare killers to be rapidly identified and stopped.
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PS duck Phil Hammond - does he not understand what 'unexpected and unexplained deaths' means?? The babies who went to trial were stable and doing well, considering their state. That's why she didn't get pinned with every single collapse and death on the ward while she was there. Jesus effing Christ he is really annoying me.
Hopefully the inquiry will tease out whether the situation at CoCH NNU was unusually shambolic/poorly run, which allowed Letby to get away with her crimes for so long, or whether it was similar to any other NNU in the country, with the only difference being they don't have serial killers at work. Either way, I hope that there is a decent set of recommendations that enables any other similar healthcare killers to be rapidly identified and stopped.
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PS duck Phil Hammond - does he not understand what 'unexpected and unexplained deaths' means?? The babies who went to trial were stable and doing well, considering their state. That's why she didn't get pinned with every single collapse and death on the ward while she was there. Jesus effing Christ he is really annoying me.
What an utter bleeping cockwomble this fella is. Deary me!!Phil is at it again
I’m getting second hand embarrassment over this. He wants Lady Thirlwall to do what exactly, look at recommending a complete overhaul of the justice system?Phil is at it again
And the irony that he wants the royal colleges to provide experts in trials when they themselves are now under scrutiny for their involvement in delaying the criminal investigation of a serial killer of the most vulnerable babies. No conflict of interest there, eh? 🫠
I’m getting increasingly more angry at these idiots that are constantly trying to make a name for themselves off the back of this NG bandwagon. It’s actually embarrassing “I was the first journalist to report on XXX” who bleeping cares?!
You’ve haven’t followed the trial, you haven’t read all of the evidence and you’re still convinced it was all about statistics. SHUT UP.
Spend the time you’re wasting drafting rit letters on actually reading the evidence from the trial, the appeal and even part of the chuffing enquiry and you might start to realise she is guilty as sin and so many people failed to do anything about it!!
(sorry just been reading todays live reporting and I’m angry)
You’ve haven’t followed the trial, you haven’t read all of the evidence and you’re still convinced it was all about statistics. SHUT UP.
Spend the time you’re wasting drafting rit letters on actually reading the evidence from the trial, the appeal and even part of the chuffing enquiry and you might start to realise she is guilty as sin and so many people failed to do anything about it!!
(sorry just been reading todays live reporting and I’m angry)
I wish people would stop this "I make no judgement either as to innocence of guilt."Phil is at it again
The fact is she is guilty.
No one on here is defending the management and that included the unit managers. No one. It was obvious from the very start that they hadn't done their jobs properly. What I would always defend is the nursing staff on that unit who worked their hardest, gave the best care to those babies and struggled to understand what was happening when Letby began her reign of terror.
I'd love him to put his proposal about making the defence call their expert witnesses to a barrister, they laugh in his face or tell him to sling his hook.Phil is at it again
What he proposes would, in effect, be ripping up laws around disclosure which actually benefit the defence.
you'd think with sending a report to Ben Myers and getting back a receipt but nothing else the penny might drop with Phil but apparently notPhil is at it again
Some bint on Twitter/X has wished a painful death on me tonight for suggesting that her NG pleas may be in vain. Charming 
They are a scummy bunch that's for sureSome bint on Twitter/X has wished a painful death on me tonight for suggesting that her NG pleas may be in vain. Charming
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