Lucy Letby Case #72

[gigilouxx]

I wish they’d stop showing pics of the ugly rat bastard out with its friends after causing the families of those babies nothing but hell

 

[Cack_Conroe]

I think I’ve found him.

There are no words

I'm so glad Tattlers have finally found Casanova. I've been dying to bitch about him!!!

The ugly bastard doesn't deserve anonymity at all. It was granted on the grounds that Lucy had an "unrequited infatuation" with him. Sure, Jan. He said she had contacted his wife, and that his kids didn't know anything about her and were doing their exams.

We all know if he hadn't been given anonymity, nobody would believe his nonsense about an "unrequited infatuation" from Lucy just from one look at him. So basically the legal system is facilitating him deceiving his wife and children about his attempted affair with a serial killer.

How is that valid or acceptable.

 

[kikixxxxx]

Ugh I know he’s just doing his job but I can’t help but feel rage and frustration reading these updates. Pointing the finger at everyone but the convicted baby killer in the dock.

I feel for Ravi so much. He’s trying to tear his credibility apart. Such a low blow to claim “it must be a lie or he would have went to the police, a child would have”
If only it was that fucking black and white you daft twat.

 

[nosycowmoo]

Have her parents disowned her do we think? Interesting they weren't there for any of it. Perhaps they feel ashamed and don't want any more time in the public eye.

Can't believe she said "I'm innocent" to the judge. Did she use her little meek mouse voice or was it a shout?

She will definitely appeal.

A shout! Loud and clear! Scum

 

[MmmB777]

Omg it was even more brutal. Yesssss! Yes!! Baby K’s short life had more love and life than this cowardly sadistic bitch will ever have. She will never marry or have children just like she scrawled. She always knew she was a fucked up little weirdo. Good riddance!!!!

 

[timelapse37]

Just catching up with everything - read the victim statements and watched Goss sentence her on YouTube. Not ashamed to say I shed some tears - absolutely horrific - I cannot *imagine* what that family have been through - that huge trial before, and now everything again.

Wanted to say thanks to @Cack_Conroe for your brilliant reports (not been able to login til now as I've lost my email/password on the main device I use!) Seems to be that Letby was worse than when I witnessed her last year. Glad I didn't attend this time, without wanting to sound like a dick I honestly think I probably would have ended up twatting one of her 'supporters'.

Letby is truly up there with one of the most sadistic narcissists of all time. Again, without wanting to sound crass, she honestly needs torturing til she croaks (preferably by the same methods she used). Having the last word does not surprise me. Absolute twisted evil. I agree with @Beigerac that she's probably been doing stuff like this since she 'passed out' (or whatever the term is in medical world) at Liverpool. And also agree about the hinting - she's said a few things now where she's been deliberately ambiguous I believe to fuck with the poor parent's heads. There's no point in trying to guess if she felt any remorse etc - she's wired differently from us - she wouldn't have felt anything but a slight buzz of being centre of attention again.

It makes me absolutely mad the likes of Karen Rees (who refused to take her off shift after *everything*, and is imo directly responsible for the last death) and those two wankers who covered this up and made the doctors apologise! You honestly couldn't write this shit. But it makes me madder that you just know no-one will be held personally accountable. And also that Letby is still allowed to live albeit behind bars. Absolutely awful state of affairs. I've depressed myself even more now. Gonna pour myself a drink.

 

[AllieBee]

The horrors are out on X. One of the nutters, Thomas something has actually posted he blames the babies. What sicko would even think that let alone say it. Those poor little souls.

 

[IcanSpellBéchamel]

Guilty! I'm surprised in one way that the jury was so quick, but then again reading the reports from the court (including from those Tattlers who were there), the prosecution did a great job of laying it all out.

 

[DianaBanana]

The Guardian has an article up today with comments by the medical expert that the defence instructed but didn’t call to give oral evidence.

They’ve also spoken to some of the doctors who gave evidence for the prosecution. Quite a lot of new information in the article including that a couple of doctors that gave evidence don’t agree with Dr Evans and Dr Bohin about cause of death. Seems the prosecution witnesses were a lot more split than the reporting made out.

The article mentions ‘prominent statisticians’, wonder who that could be. Anyone who followed the trial knows full well it didn’t rely on statistics to secure her conviction.
Also, one of the reasons that an appeal wasn’t granted is because the new defence witness hadn’t actually reviewed all of the evidence himself, so I don’t feel his opinion is valid tbh. Same for all these other so called experts that have come out of the woodwork, unless they’ve reviewed every piece of evidence fully, their opinion is meaningless.
Another article cherry picking information to suit their narrative. Sick of it, but it’s all just noise anyway, cos that murdering bitch is going nowhere.

 

[Tofino]

We already know he fed her information from reviews and meetings etc don’t we? Things she shouldn’t have been privy to.

With that in mind… I do feel bad for acting on the info discovered in the document but not too terrible partly because it’s their fault for disclosing it and also because with the publicly available information we have and should be allowed to scrutinise Noname in the same way others involved are scrutinised- many of whom will be part of a public enquiry soon. Directly naming him or his family isn’t the same as that and do agree it should be a no.

I feel the utmost sympathy with all those unfortunate enough to have worked with Letby. The hospital managers will likely face some criminal charges which I think will be the correct thing but I even still feel some sympathy (although not overflowing) for them because they must have never believed such evil could be under their noses, even though they should as that is the point of true Safeguarding.

From looking into the Allitt case, I know this will have life long implications for all of those who worked with Letby. One nurse killed herself, another attempted to, some emigrated. I watched the consultant in that case be brought to tears in a recent interview on YouTube about it all, over 30 years later you could see the whole thing still cut him like a knife. They faced exactly what all the named doctors and nurses in this case faced. Bev’s lawyer completely roasted them and the defence was just to blame the poor unit and poor care. They were also really scapegoated in the public enquiry in a way that they felt was to cover up the widespread problems in the NHS (lack of funding and nurses etc). I think they also lost their jobs but fought for them back, could be wrong but certainly it was a disaster for them personally and professionally. It must have been truly traumatic and after watching so many healthy children die and being unable to help. Just trauma upon trauma.

All the docs in this case will be feeling similar things. Their practise has been ruthlessly scrutinised, in total and fine detail, what tube they used, were they quick enough, did they cause the bleeding, did they poison children.. when all they were really doing was battling an unknown evil force amongst them.
Their inability to stop what was going on, I believe Dr J when he says it haunts him, and it probably will haunt all of them. Whole careers that they will feel is now defined by this tragedy is a tragedy in itself.

Even on here, plenty of people were of the opinion that her ability to carry on offending was down to people not doing enough. I don’t feel that way but I can see and appreciate why people do. I think when the documentaries and dramatisations do come out, it’s likely that quite a lot of the public opinion will be also questioning why they couldn’t have gone to police or done more. Especially as Myers has said it so often. It will be a rotten thing to live with and punishment enough for any mistakes made.

What I’m rattling on about (and not coherently sorry) is that Noname’s actions that are publicly available are no less worthy of scrutiny than the other unfortunate souls that worked with Letby. In order for the truth and clarity of what happened and how it can be prevented from happening again.
He made some awful decisions and that’s before you factor in the morality of having such an inappropriate relationship (physical or not. I’m betting not) with a young nurse. His anonymity does allow him to not be scrutinised in the way that others are. Poor Dr Gibb is literally being accused of being the murderer, euthanising babies. Now that is disgusting and a whole different level to mocking old Dr Cockington for being less than a hunk. None of what he did is criminal, just less than professional. I don’t feel that Noname should be purposefully identified and we should try to stick to the court order (which is obviously harder when they made his identity public!), however his actions are no less worthy of scrutiny than anyone else’s in terms of how this awful situation was able to continue for so long and no less important in terms of preventing it happening again in what is a publicly funded service by all of us, for all of us.
I just hope all of them are able to recover from it and continue their work.

Essentially, we will all take an opportunity to bring Letby down a peg or two. To mock her because we absolutely know she cannot stand that. Cannot stand that she isn’t miss perfect prissy knickers and is a bog standard little trollop for entertaining a married man just to get her ego boosted. Good god I’d forgotten how she made the days after two poor triplets had suddenly and brutally died about her and her needle prick, getting fawned over as always she is the true evil and disgusting one in this whole horror show.

I don't really know why I’ve written all that or what points I’m making but it’s made me feel a bit better roll on Friday #WLOhun #noprossecoinprison

Your bit about Dr Gibbs being accused of being the murderer, and Dr Noname’s actions not being any less worthy of scrutiny is something that I had not considered.

Dr Gibbs, Dr Breary and Dr Jayaram have been publicly torn apart since the trial started both in court and on social media. The fourth from the ‘gang of 4’ has also remained anonymous and has avoided all scrutiny. It does feel a little unfair on those who have been named.

And it really grates with me that essentially Dr Noname gets a free pass because he was shown up as being happy to betray his wife I know it’s not a crime but it’s poor, morally wrong behaviour.

I don’t know what the answer is though when it comes to witnesses. Because I can see why the courts would want to ensure a witness is able to testify openly. But in a case like this the public scrutiny is very unbalanced.
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And Dr Noname was also essentially breaching confidentiality, most likely hospital policy and tipping off a baby killer even if he didn’t realise it. That deserves scrutiny.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Scroll to page 49 of the appeal document and I think we have a lot of answers about the first trial....

Gormless Janet in the weird cat cafe with the laptop is my cludo choice here !
What BULLSHIT.

 

[DianaBanana]

Honestly it’s just infuriating. The medical experts in this case spent YEARS poring through every bit of evidence available before forming their opinions. Yet these lunatics coming out of the woodwork didn’t even follow the trial as closely as most of the people on this thread, yet they feel confident enough to come out and publicly state that the experts are wrong and they’re right. The arrogance is fucking mind blowing, and the fact they’re being given a platform is disgusting.

 

[Aberscot]

I think she appeared only to have her final say to the judge on way down, I am innocent.
yeah right 2 jury’s, appeal courts have all found you guilty, rot in hell.
i hope it’s the last we hear from her

 

[kikixxxxx]

I think I’m going to take a leaf out of @MmmB777 book and stop reading these bull shit articles, because they just make me angry.

Fact is, it’s really easy to make a convincing argument when you only present one side of the evidence which is what has happened in this guardian article. Unfortunately for this so called journalist, when you look at the evidence critically and present both sides, your argument doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Any journalist that is willing to publish half a story has zero integrity. Fuck them, they should honestly be embarrassed.

I feel you. I’ve just logged out of Twitter ( not just closed the app, fully logged out )
I’m fucking fuming here and it’s ruined my evening. My entire home page is full of imbeciles …who know Jack shit and didn’t follow any of the trial… banging on about these two in-depth articles (guardian and telegraph) and how “change is coming” and it’s inevitable she will be granted a mistrial.
I’m so fucking tired, so god knows how the parents feel.
One of the tweets was some old boy saying “my gut feeling is she’s innocent and a scapegoat for the nhs”
Gut feeling? You think she deserves a retrial cause you have a gut fucking feeling based on a newspaper article reporting half the story??
I’m so angry I could chin someone

 

[wine o clock]

Oh I must catch up tonight with the standard glass of wine !!! Pressing my and button a lot no
Doubt!!!! Xx
I had no doubt about this verdict an I’m thrilled for baby Ks parents to finally get a tiny bit of justice!!! Xx

Although I am Gutted that I am a bit off wi my times … I was gona go bk to court on Thursday or Friday … (in my head i thought there is no way this jury will waste a weekend over that witch who can’t recall) … must not of wanted waste even a day never mind weekend !!

I would have liked to see Letbys reaction a daft Janet’s …
and all the creepy old men’s reactions …

That whopper in that cafe was defo sumert do wi them NG crew… rancid behaviour that trying jeopardise the trial least we had BNE on that like a tramp on a kipper him!!!

I don’t agree wi that report tho … calling us for lining up at court .. I thought we was all very civilized !!! Cheeky buggers and we defo wernt All supporters … I happened sit next to Janet 1 afternoon … well i will rephrase that … my daughter was given that seat by the court usher but she shoved me in it !!! (don’t think she wanted janet start flapping at her) . Letby was looking at janet an appeared to stare at me … it reminded me of when those other nurses an docs came into Chester Hosy an she was saying “who are these people… what are they all doing here” …. I certainly hope she didn’t think I was a supporter!!!! … I’m wrong sex an 20 years too young for a start!!!! Haha xx

anyway look forward to reading all ya updates tonight … apologies for fooking up wi my days … could kick self!!! …. But am sure she will face more charges in future imo …. Dirty witch !!!

 

[dorydaryl]

I say let the pro LL lot have their say. They're not going to get all the welter of evidence against her overturned or refuted. It opens them up to counter-arguments and refutations the other way and will show some of them up for the idiots many of them are by people who do know the case(s) in forensic detail. I also think that there are others at the CoCh ('managers') who need to answer properly for their negligence in letting this horror go on and it might put them back in the spotlight. Realistically, LL is going nowhere and she is where she belongs. My main caveat to all the above is the additional stress it will cause to the parents of these babies. Of course, those 'defending' LL don't really give a toss about them. Oh, and having studied ''statistics' in my degrees, at the simplest level, one thing I learned is that you can make them give you the results you 'want' to see. That is why qualitative data adds meaning to data, and the qualitative evidence on LL is utterly overwhelming.

 

[Beigerac]

Will more be released to the public now she’s been found guilty again and the retrial is over? Police interview footage, friends/old colleagues coming out of the woodwork. Even though I despise her I’d still like to see these things, I’m not sure why?! I know nothing will reveal her motive as that murderous bitch will take it to her grave.

I think a lid will be kept on a lot of stuff until Hummingbird is done. I believe there’ll be at least one more conviction coming her way. What worries me is how many. I have started to believe she’s been doing this all along. When someone mentioned that first handover sheet….

Also I don’t believe her buying a house so close to a baby memorial garden is a coincidence. It’d be the weirdest coincidence ever. But it’s really awful to think about.

Her colleagues won’t be allowed to discuss it ever, especially with the press. And her friendship group all probably believe her and even if you had one or two that didn’t, I don’t believe they’d want to be the one/s to step out of line from the others.

I can’t imagine anyone she went to school or university with who wasn’t friends with her would even remember her. Her early photos look like she was created in a factory that manufactured Bland English Girls. No offence to any bland English girls , like. I’m an ugly English bloke.

 

[jackolantern]

We've said it a million times, but if the babies had been murdered by an ugly cunt or a bloke in tbh any capacity (not saying I agree we should for a second, but I do believe it to be generally what happens) she'd have few to no supporters other than the fucking insane fans serial killers always get. I do not understand why people still cannot get it through their minds that it doesn't make an ounce of difference what she looks like and infact, some of the most dangerous killers use the fact they look 'normal' or 'attractive' or simply blend in, to their best advantage.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

The way I see it, he’s a bit of a snivelling little rat whereas the named doctors are extremely brave to put themself under the microscope in order to see justice done. I feel sick at the thought of his wife and especially kids being exposed to scrutiny and ridicule, and maybe she was so conniving and manipulative that he was sucked in, but it’s his conduct that has placed him at the centre of this chapter and therefore exposed them to harm as a consequence. I always feel that married men who cheat (physically or no) are also cheating on their kids because it’s just crapping on their whole facade of a happy family. He pursued her, consoled her and passed on confidential information to her (and he didn’t even manage to get into her beige matalan briefs). Where the other doctors literally put their careers and reputations on the line to face the full glare of public scrutiny, he hid behind his little privacy screen in court and then continued his life as though nothing had happened. Seems a bit unfair to me but I don’t make the rules.
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I am glad it is Jed Mercurio who is doing it, he made the very gritty drama “Bodies” (with a naked Max Beesly ) which was all about incompetence, whistleblowing and management interference in clinical matters, he was previously a junior doctor so knows what went on back in the day (and seemingly still goes on now). Also having done line of duty he should make a good representation of the police procedural side of it. People will be expecting a dramatisation and it’s right it should be done by someone with insight imho.

I’m not convinced he didn’t get into her beige pleasure palace.

 

[Daisydunn15]

This day will be so much worse for her than last time, she's had her appeals recently declined, her parents aren't showing up for her and she's been forced to hear the sentencing live.
She's lost any control she may have had, she isn't sitting there thinking she's won a twisted game by not attending and she was forced to listen to baby K's mum. The words may not have hurt LL but the fact she had to listen to them will be killing her.