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Tofino

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It might be a good idea to redact the baby K wiki. This trial will be a de nova hearing so, - even if this is information that made it to press, this is likely the one place where it is all gathered together. Just my opinion. ❤
Another vote to redact it @Tofino - it can just be held and re uploaded but it’s one of those situations where there’s nothing to be lost by removing that section - imo anyway
thank you, I think I will remove baby K info in the next few days. I’ll save a personal copy so I can easily add back in at any stage. If anyone wants to do the same for themselves then that’s fine.
 
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Tofino

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Struck off but still claiming innocence. Rot in hell.
A two day hearing?! Wtf?

But the NMC's fitness to practice panel allotted two days for the hearing to determine her professional future.

What exactly is there to discuss? She’s convicted of a multiple murders and attempted murders.
 
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slingo16

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I kind of agree, but (without being at the trial and hearing/seeing the evidence for myself) I wonder what made the jury not decide the same.
I thought it could have something to do with the fact the murder charge for baby k was dropped. I think this might have subconsciously effected one or two jurors. And they potentially doubted the case for baby k before they’d even heard it.
 
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Deeznutslol

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Sarrita is of course talking utter nonsense in general here, but she has made another spectacular numbers fuck up.
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1mL of insulin = 100 units
44mL of insulin = ? units

How many units of insulin are in 44ml? What’s the answer to 100 x 44 guys? Coz it’s certainly not 44,000…
The woman is clearly incapable of doing primary school level multiplication, no wonder her insulin “calculations” were way off! 🤣
 
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Tofino

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Ok reading this makes me think there will be disappointed families today 😞

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Ohhh I want to know what can’t be reported though!!

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Cack_Conroe

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thank you, I think I will remove baby K info in the next few days. I’ll save a personal copy so I can easily add back in at any stage. If anyone wants to do the same for themselves then that’s fine.
You absolutely do not need to remove information that is already published, the court order only counts from the time the order is made. I spoke to some of the journalists there on Monday and they were very emphatic about this, none of the media will be removing information that they have already published about Baby K, or anything else.

Also, "any information that could directly or indirectly prejudice the trial" would actually include details about all of the babies and all of her crimes: if you were to go beyond what is legally required by removing the info about Baby K, you may as well remove the entire wiki for all the babies.

I would disagree with that, because it's one of the best resources for anybody wanting to learn about the case, and it is no different than what will remain in the media anyway, the only difference is that it is conveniently gathered in one place.
 
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Motherofpugs

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I did not. I did come across Emma Tustin and some other wildly murderous women but whose targets were not children.

The only real question one asked was “remand or sentenced”. Some of the sentences women would elaborate. Remand was more like anxiety inducing because it was open ended and I had lots of chats about anxiety and the future. I was an outlier as a dentist with several masters degrees. Ugh. I sound like a twat.
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I’m still struggling very hard with it and therapy is going well. Dispelling myths helps me. I had to leave mumsnet because of the sanctimonious tw@ts on there who couldn’t imagine a situation where they would need to be interested in this. I didn’t think I’d need to be interested until I found out I’d been accused of having a machine gun.
What is the experience like in prison for people like Emma Tustin? How long did you end up staying in remand?

I can’t imagine how awful that whole experience must have been for you. Thank you for sharing its really interesting to hear.

(Also hi to all the OGs 👋🏻 I still lurk here waiting for baby K’s retrial and for when LLs appeal gets thrown out.)
 
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Tofino

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The listener questions were interesting. They addressed the actors voices and clarified legally they were not allowed to infer emotion esp for Lucy’s voice. which is what we expected on here.

Anonymity of doctor/nurse witnesses in trial. The individual reasons are legally protected but usually only granted for two reasons 1. Quality of evidence is likely to be diminished for fear or distress.
2. (They say most likely in this case) Improve the quality of the evidence or level of co-operation of the witness

They say serveral media organisations bandied together to pay for a barrister to try and argue against the anonymity orders as they felt it wasn’t in the interest of open justice (she starts saying ‘we’ so presume this includes the daily Mail) but the judge disagreed. They say as journalists they feel this may be a slippery slope of open justice.

The baby anonymity orders actually relate to the mums and dads. So can’t name the babies as it would identify the parents. The order allowed the media to use the first names but the media collectively decided not to because some of the first names are unusual and journalists have to be careful of jigsaw ID where identity can be known
Waiving anonymity - they can’t just do this themselves, they have to go back to the judge and ask to lift the order but they would be surprised if the judge refused.

Somebody asked: if Lucy Letby requests to listen to the podcast will she be allowed to. They didn’t know the answer but now I want to know the answer 🤣
 
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sebanna

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Update: he’s done a dirty delete 🤣🤣🤣 ahahahha how embarrassing. Fuck you, silly old nonce
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Look if people look at Lucy's sweet smiling photographs and worry that maybe a miscarriage of justice has occurred because they don't understand the evidence then fair enough, they are entitled to their opinion. What is not okay is the way the babies are talked about on Facebook and Twitter they are real people and much loved they didn't didn't deserve what happened and neither did their families. It is also not okay to throw baseless accusations at every professional involved in this case.
 
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Tofino

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Statement from Cheshire Police. Rightly so too!! 🩵🩷

Cheshire Constabulary statement regarding the Countess of Chester Hospital (4 October 2023):

Detective Superintendent Simon Blackwell, who is strategic lead for Operation Hummingbird, said: “Following the lengthy trial, subsequent conviction of Lucy Letby and an assessment by senior investigative officers, I can confirm that Cheshire Constabulary is carrying out an investigation into corporate manslaughter at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

“The investigation will focus on the indictment period of the charges for Lucy Letby, from June 2015 to June 2016, and consider areas including senior leadership and decision making to determine whether any criminality has taken place. At this stage we are not investigating any individuals in relation to gross negligence manslaughter.

“The investigation is in the very early stages and we are unable to go into any further details or answer specific questions at this time. We recognise that this investigation will have a significant impact on a number of different stakeholders including the families in this case and we are continuing to work alongside and support them during this process.

“You will be notified of any further updates in due course.”
oooh!!!

‘at this stage we are not investigating any individuals in relation to gross negligence manslaughter’

Gives me hope that an investigation into corporate manslaughter (reasonable starting point) might lead to this for certain individuals!!!
 
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Copacapybara

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It’s been confirmed in a hearing today that the prosecution will seek a retrial for Baby K but not the other 3 babies H, J and Q. Retrial won’t be until June 2024.

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It’s such a shame the other parents don’t get the chance for a retrial. Then again it must be awful for them to have to go through this whole process again.

Thinking about this, another unrelated parent was just in the papers saying Letby took a picture of her child without her tube and sent it to her. She’s extremely suspicious, as it wouldn’t be possible for a preemie to totally remove a feeding tube (which Letby claimed) as opposed to dislodging it. She’s hoping Project Hummingbird might take her case on, I think. I wonder if the other babies might get a retrial if they find more examples of this general pattern.

Just added- sorry if it’s already been posted! Letby even said the baby was ‘caught in the act’ which is pretty disturbing in context.

 
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MmmB777

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Or Ian’s, I’ve heard the Cheshire police might be interested in finding him
Have you actually heard that? Please let it be true! I am desperate for someone to shut these cunts up.
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Ian has a micro penis
 
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“Lucy Letby £160k-a-year hospital boss accused of ignoring warnings about the child serial killer is named as 'core participant' for inquiry into scandal”

Happy New Year Tony Chambers 😂😂😂😂
 
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AllieBee

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The quietness was always going to happen Ince tge trials over. We will probably have a few weeks of high activity next year when she is retried. And a day of activity when her appeal fails. But did he really expect us to sit here idly chatting about her when she's deservedly in jail for life! Most of us have much more to do than sit on tattle all day! And there really isn't that much more to be said about her!
 
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Ray_of_Sunshine

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Didn’t Karen bloody Rees say she would be “happy” for Lucy to continue working, therefore I hope Baby Q’s parents are able to take her to the cleaners of some sort. We all know raising a child with disabilities is a hike in financials. Karen should support them with her future earnings. She chose to sit on her arse.
She also said to Dr Brearey that she would take responsibility if anything else happens. And it did happen. So where is she now?

ETA may have my docs mixed up, it was Dr Brearey or Gibbs? I think.
 
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gigilouxx

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If these no marks put as much effort into getting a job as they do trying to exonerate a baby killer then unemployment rates would plummet
 
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