Lucy Letby Case #7

[Stiltoncheese]

Could this mean three babies, including Child A, died in one night? So two others who LL wasn't looking after?

I think they added a clarification to the court notes that they made an error and it should have said 3 babies died that month not that night.

I do think the text said that the night baby A died was odd though, so will be interesting to see if any evidence clarifies why they think it was odd, given that it was technically the first crash and then death up to that point

 

[abelleza]

That is justifying no? lol. Fine, rationalising, call it whatever. All I mean is, it's looking for excuses instead of just accepting sometimes there is no reason other than someone's a massive twit. It's the same way as people inherently need to believe there's always a path that led to someone becoming a murderer, when often they are just born that way. I think 'weird' just makes us uncomfortable so we need to try and understand it and it can't always be understood.

She was just theorising, just like everyone else here.

 

[youRjokingHunz]

I’m reading here on and off.. plus keeping up to speed with what’s in the press..

so what caught my attention today, was the texts to Lucy, and the too and froing it seems,

I’m throwing it out, but I’m guessing she got a liking for being in the “eye of the storm”
Being part of the team that was involved with collapses, critically unwell, deteriorating babies ans death!
she sounds like she got a kick from being involved ..

I work in the NHS, like lots on here do I’m sure, and you do see some staff who join, and they get caught up with being involved with bigger incidents, talk about them, drag them on longer then needed..
Clearly vast majority get a grip of themselves .. but some ! Like this one.. get a liking for it!
rarely rarely do we get ones that create the problems tha lead to death!
like Having a Pyromaniac join the fire service !!!

 

[reCAPTCHA]

I think she liked the attention she got from being at the centre of drama (awful to see a babies death in that way, but that’s how I think she was seeing it).

I reckon she was loving the messages from colleagues, was actively seeking updates on families social media pages, and centred herself in some of the situations deliberately. She’s essentially just a good ole fashioned attention-seeker.

I’d love to see her physiological report; I wonder if the truth is too painful for her to admit even too herself- like deep down she knows why she was killing babies (to create drama that she could then centre herself in), but she can’t even acknowledge it to herself. Those ‘confession’ notes read like that to me; her going back and forth at different times reflecting on her actions- almost like a split personality disorder….part of her knew exactly what she was doing, but then part of her was still denying it even to herself. I don’t think maybe she’s as conscious of her motivations as some might think …..not your ‘traditional’ profile of a psycho if you know what I mean?

I even wonder if she really wanted to kill per se, but just became addicted to the drama she created and so almost got hooked doing it so it was a vicious cycle of needing to do it again to create a similar high from the previous incident.

 

[TooFarScone]

I’m reading here on and off.. plus keeping up to speed with what’s in the press..

so what caught my attention today, was the texts to Lucy, and the too and froing it seems,

I’m throwing it out, but I’m guessing she got a liking for being in the “eye of the storm”
Being part of the team that was involved with collapses, critically unwell, deteriorating babies ans death!
she sounds like she got a kick from being involved ..

I work in the NHS, like lots on here do I’m sure, and you do see some staff who join, and they get caught up with being involved with bigger incidents, talk about them, drag them on longer then needed..
Clearly vast majority get a grip of themselves .. but some ! Like this one.. get a liking for it!
rarely rarely do we get ones that create the problems tha lead to death!
like Having a Pyromaniac join the fire service !!!

I've known people like this. And they love being the ones who break news, usually drip feeding it to act in some way superior.

 

[youRjokingHunz]

Exactly, she was searching Facebook and essentially watching a drama she created and was central to..

Sickening

 

[Milktray]

Could this mean three babies, including Child A, died in one night? So two others who LL wasn't looking after?

No...the text was after the 3rd child had died but her colleague was initially referring to the night that Child A had died as being odd...
LL responded to this by mentioning 'all 3 had died under different circumstances'.

Mark Dowling (Chester Standard) had to clarify that the question was in reference to Child A but LL had responded with an answer refering to all 3.

 

[youRjokingHunz]

I’d also hazard a guess her colleagues had many questions about her .. they would have suspected her .. but had no evidence

 

[jackolantern]

She was just theorising, just like everyone else here.

Sure. But weird = neurodiverse is a damaging association and also diminishes the fact some people are just not good people. As a concept it is thrown around too heavily. Whenever someone makes us uncomfortable we assume they must be neurodiverse, which is a bit unfeeling to the community IMO.

 

[slingo16]

A couple of things in relation to child f

The baby was prescribed insulin due to blood sugar level. Was the baby given any? Was it recorded? If so who was the nurse/nurses? Is it far fetched to say that somebody else accidentally over dosed this child? After all LL wasn’t present when this occurred

The other screenshot basically I’m asking why did child f stop having breastmilk and go onto a tpn bag? They seem unaware that this child would need to be feed by fluids, these things are prepared in advance as it says, so why the change of plan? Did the child take a bad turn before the tpn bag was even thought about?

A couple of things in relation to child f

The baby was prescribed insulin due to blood sugar level. Was the baby given any? Was it recorded? If so who was the nurse/nurses? Is it far fetched to say that somebody else accidentally over dosed this child? After all LL wasn’t present when this occurred

The other screenshot basically I’m asking why did child f stop having breastmilk and go onto a tpn bag? They seem unaware that this child would need to be feed by fluids, these things are prepared in advance as it says, so why the change of plan? Did the child take a bad turn before the tpn bag was even thought about?

Also what exactly is “a tiny dose of insulin”

 

[Prissypaws]

Sure. But weird = neurodiverse is a damaging association and also diminishes the fact some people are just not good people. As a concept it is thrown around too heavily. Whenever someone makes us uncomfortable we assume they must be neurodiverse, which is a bit unfeeling to the community IMO.

I’m in the community , and if you don’t think society interpret autistic behaviour and speech and logic as “socially weird” then you’re wrong. I’m not saying it’s right society do this, I’m saying it’s what happens.

 

[avabella]

I’m in the community , and if you don’t think society interpret autistic behaviour and speech and logic as “socially weird” then you’re wrong. I’m not saying it’s right society do this, I’m saying it’s what happens.

You’re right, it is what happens. But it shouldn’t. I’m sorry you have to deal with that.

 

[Aberscot]

I am hoping we hear more from colleague she was texting and why said said thing were odd that night.
She must have suspected something amiss?

 

[Former_Antelopee]

I was in a&e the other night. I needed an injectable medication that was in the locked pharmacy and had to wait for the on call pharmacist to come in and get it for me. Is this common?

 

[Annyct]

One of the mums was bathing her deceased baby and Lucy walked in and smiled and said that she had given that baby it’s first bath and she told mum how much baby had enjoyed it. I’m unsure if it’s in the Wiki but I would assume so.

Not defending her in the slightest bjt context here is everything. We’ve already began to wonder if she may be a bit socially awkward. It could be that she was trying to offer the mum a piece of information, a memory or something. I find it hard to believe she walked in smiling and said oh she’s dead but she loved a bath. It could be that the mother was expressing upset about things she won’t get to know about her child, things she won’t get to see or experience. The prosecution is obviously spinning things a certain way so whilst yes it may have happened exactly as they said, without more context it means nothing. The smile could have been a reassuring smile etc… I dunno that’s where my head went anyway

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

Not defending her in the slightest bjt context here is everything. We’ve already began to wonder if she may be a bit socially awkward. It could be that she was trying to offer the mum a piece of information, a memory or something. I find it hard to believe she walked in smiling and said oh she’s dead but she loved a bath. It could be that the mother was expressing upset about things she won’t get to know about her child, things she won’t get to see or experience. The prosecution is obviously spinning things a certain way so whilst yes it may have happened exactly as they said, without more context it means nothing. The smile could have been a reassuring smile etc… I dunno that’s where my head went anyway

 

[Annyct]

Agree to disagree. I already said she may have thought she was doing something nice, however noone with any sense in their head would see a mother washing her dead baby and highlight the fact you gave them their first bath instead of them and also that they loved it - something the mum missed and will never experience again. Absolutely zero social skills or awareness. Worrying for a NICU nurse.

I don’t remember it being said it was as the mother was giving her baby a bath, I thought I read it was After the mother had been told her baby had died. IF it was when the mum was bathing her baby we don’t know if the mum maybe got upset said something like I wish I knew if she would have liked baths to which LL comment is entirely appropriate

 

[White]

Really think some contributors on this thread should be detectives working on this case seriously though, some good food for thought, for example the TV programme she watched & when it was aired & other things, I wonder if the prosecution have considered!

 

[MoveBtchGetOutTheWay]

Not defending her in the slightest bjt context here is everything. We’ve already began to wonder if she may be a bit socially awkward. It could be that she was trying to offer the mum a piece of information, a memory or something. I find it hard to believe she walked in smiling and said oh she’s dead but she loved a bath. It could be that the mother was expressing upset about things she won’t get to know about her child, things she won’t get to see or experience. The prosecution is obviously spinning things a certain way so whilst yes it may have happened exactly as they said, without more context it means nothing. The smile could have been a reassuring smile etc… I dunno that’s where my head went anyway

I also just wonder if they only had a low number of deaths then perhaps she just didn't know how to deal with it?

I'm not a social butterfly but not awkward either however I would have absolutely no idea on how to handle bereaved parents, I'd feel awkward want to try and comfort but say the wrong thing.

Medical professionals, do you receive training on this? How to handle bereaved people? I know there's no 1 size fits all but I don't have a clue how to handle it. And i guess it's totally different having a bereaved family member to someone who's passed away at 90 to a little baby - I'm not diminishing either death, my nan passed away ages 93 recently and although i was very sad, she lived a full happy loved life and in the end she was in a lot of pain and it was awful to see her like that.

 

[Wackie Jeaver]

I don’t remember it being said it was as the mother was giving her baby a bath, I thought I read it was After the mother had been told her baby had died. IF it was when the mum was bathing her baby we don’t know if the mum maybe got upset said something like I wish I knew if she would have liked baths to which LL comment is entirely appropriate

oh come on! A mother is bathing her dead baby, her DEAD baby, and some bloody nurse comes in with a smile on her face and says how much that baby loved her baths? I'd have floored her right then and there.