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As someone above pointed out a grieving mother may be mis remembering?
I get we’re all theorising on this discussion but surely saying a piece of evidence that’s been submitted to the courts could’ve been “someone mis remembering“ is a bit ridiculous.
If that was the case we could say it about any evidence that’s been provided.
 
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yeah the point I was making is that it could have been said sinisterly but also out of context there could be more to it. I find it hard to believe it happened the way it’s been written with absolutely no further context. To me it sounds like she was very clumsily and awkwardly trying to offer reassurance not brag about havjng given her a bath first. That’s how it seems to me anyway
I agree with you I don’t think what she said was particularly weird. If she’s innocent, she was probably just trying to remind let the mother know something about her child.

However, I think it’s weird that she even said anything at all. Like that’s one of the few memories that mother will have of her baby, just leave her alone. No need to insert yourself into the situation, it does fit into the potential ‘attention-seeking’ personality trait that others have alluded to. And especially if you were socially awkward, if you have any self-awareness you just wouldn’t say anything unnecessary in such an awful situation in case it came across the wrong way.
 
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Quite conversely, traumatic experiences can actually render your episodic memory useless.
That’s not fact though. Some people forget stuff from traumatic events, some don’t. In my personal experience I have a very very clear memory of a traumatic event I went through.
 
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not gonna lie the labelling is bugging me! Don’t think everyone is doing it but there is a lot of speculation about her mental health, diagnosing her with various things etc… if she’s a murdered, she’s a murderer!!

(side note… the ASD thing probably bugged me the most as I’m ASD and I’d never dream of killing or harming anyone!)
Nah I agree, I think the armchair diagnosing is really pointless tbh.
I just don’t want everyone who is suggesting she may be NG to be tarred with that brush though because really and truly, it was only one person who suggested she had ASD and then everyone else immediately disagreed with them lmao.
 
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Quite conversely, traumatic experiences can actually render your episodic memory useless.
I’ve had a lot of trauma and my memory is terrible. Without the scars / hospital records I wouldn’t be able to tell you the truth of it now. I can’t remember what actjallly happened now and what I’ve blocked out to protect myself. Sometimes I have nightmares and I think that’s the truth because of the fear that comes but thinking straight it’s like an out of body experience so I can kinda confirm your comment 😊
 
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I get we’re all theorising on this discussion but surely saying a piece of evidence that’s been submitted to the courts could’ve been “someone mis remembering“ is a bit ridiculous.
If that was the case we could say it about any evidence that’s been provided.
The mother’s misinterpreted and now she’s misremembered.. are there no lengths people won’t go to! So disrespectful imo.
 
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It normally means you don't remember anything, have moments where time is missing rather than inventing new memories though.
Not necessarily, it may just be that you're so traumatised and distressed that you're viewing everything through that lense. People talk about seeing nothing but happy smiling families after a loss, probably not the case but we don't always perceive things in the way we normally would.

I think what someone's said above is right, it's either a sick, narcissistic murderer making a babys death about themselves or a nurse in an awful situation who isn't sure what to say or how to act. The fact that people here can interpret it differently or give different explanations shows that it's not as clear as some might think.
 
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Not defending her in the slightest bjt context here is everything. We’ve already began to wonder if she may be a bit socially awkward. It could be that she was trying to offer the mum a piece of information, a memory or something. I find it hard to believe she walked in smiling and said oh she’s dead but she loved a bath. It could be that the mother was expressing upset about things she won’t get to know about her child, things she won’t get to see or experience. The prosecution is obviously spinning things a certain way so whilst yes it may have happened exactly as they said, without more context it means nothing. The smile could have been a reassuring smile etc… I dunno that’s where my head went anyway
This is how I saw it too. A comforting bit of information.
 
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That’s not fact though. Some people forget stuff from traumatic events, some don’t. In my personal experience I have a very very clear memory of a traumatic event I went through.
I am the same, I have years where I can't remember anything, don't know what age I was when things happened etc. but certain events are painfully crystal clear.
 
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The tv programme has no bearing on the case
Complications from air into the stomachs of neo-Nates is taught through training and majority if not all qualified nurses will have that knowledge and be aware of recognised complications so it’s not something she would have seen and tonight oh let’s do this
The programme could be relevant, because she would have seen the drama and high stakes adrenaline rush surrounding it. Which is very different than practising it on a dummy or in a controlled training environment. If she was a thrill/adrenaline seeker who wanted more excitement, this could have inspired her as an easy way to get it. Sometime you know things subconsciously, but don't think of it until you're watching it happen in front of you.

It's like you might know a place exists because you studied it in school geography. But you might not think about till years later when there's a tv show making it look fun, and suddenly you're inspired to visit. We wouldn't say, oh so and so wasn't inspired by that tv show because she studied it in school so already knew about it.
 
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So far it seems that only a small amount of information is being divulged but later down the line the bigger picture shows a different view of what actually happened.
 
The mother’s misinterpreted and now she’s misremembered.. are there no lengths people won’t go to! So disrespectful imo.
I disagree, it's normal to question things. The mothers will have obviously been incredibly distressed and if they're making a statement years later you'd question anyone's ability to remember specific details. That's not disrespectful it's what happens during a trial 🤷‍♀️
 
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Not defending her in the slightest bjt context here is everything. We’ve already began to wonder if she may be a bit socially awkward. It could be that she was trying to offer the mum a piece of information, a memory or something. I find it hard to believe she walked in smiling and said oh she’s dead but she loved a bath. It could be that the mother was expressing upset about things she won’t get to know about her child, things she won’t get to see or experience. The prosecution is obviously spinning things a certain way so whilst yes it may have happened exactly as they said, without more context it means nothing. The smile could have been a reassuring smile etc… I dunno that’s where my head went anyway
I always think that's the problem with character witnesses and statements. Memory can become distorted. Sometimes we have a 'selective memory' and more importantly, at times of trauma, we can have a 'false memory'.
Its not a lie, it's something that we genuinely believed happen but it didn't.
Unfortunately, grief can cause this memory abberation because we have the inability to think straight at times of stress etc.

Even the most kind hearted person can be screamed at by a grieving person.

What may be an 'innocent' event is amplified, 10 fold. Now throw into the mix, that this has become a murder investigation...suddenly that 'distorted memory' becomes more sinister.

So even though, I have no doubt that LL was strange and had questionable behaviour, character witnesses/statements is nothing more than hearsay. (Unless it forms part of agreed facts).
 
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People saying the mother could mis-remember because of the emotion/trauma of the situation. Can you imagine if grape victims were told as standard, that their memories are crap because they were traumatised by the situation?? What a terrible, dangerous precedent that would be for any victim of a crime.
 
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Could Lucy have realised after that maybe she was in the wrong about what happened during the bath. Realised the parents weren’t happy with what she did. So sent the card as a way to try and seem more sympathetic towards the situation and as an apology kind of thing. To try and change the parents opinion into thinking she didn’t mean to be like that during the bath? And she took a picture of the card in case anything came back on her for it or just to show someone to make sure they thought what she put was ok? I don’t usually write things in my job that go to clients but if I do then I get someone to check first
 
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Relating to the tv show she said she was watching, she says to her colleague by text about it “it’s interesting seeing how we are portrayed to the public“. Something strikes me as odd about that, it’s like she‘s loving the attention around her job. She could’ve had a god like complex where she believed she was above the ‘public’ because of her job.
 
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The mother’s misinterpreted and now she’s misremembered.. are there no lengths people won’t go to! So disrespectful imo.
People saying the mother could mis-remember because of the emotion/trauma of the situation. Can you imagine if grape victims were told as standard, that their memories are crap because they were traumatised by the situation?? What a terrible, dangerous precedent that would be for any victim of a crime.
That's completely different though because the parents weren't the one accusing LL of the crime. Their statement would have been made after they'd been told of the allegations. So it would colour her judgement completely.
 
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People saying the mother could mis-remember because of the emotion/trauma of the situation. Can you imagine if grape victims were told as standard, that their memories are crap because they were traumatised by the situation?? What a terrible, dangerous precedent that would be for any victim of a crime.
I get what you’re saying completely but I am a victim of grape and my memory is shot. I couldn’t tell you the truth now years on under oath because I cannot remember. Trauma does a lot to the body and mind.
 
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The mother’s misinterpreted and now she’s misremembered.. are there no lengths people won’t go to! So disrespectful imo.
Totally disrespectful.
If that's the case we could never use any witnesses statements in any trial because they could simply be "misremembering". Imagine telling a stabbing victim who saw their perpetrator stab them without any other witnesses that there statement was worthless because they could be misremembering?!! 🤦‍♀️
It's this attitude that results in a lot of adult child abuse victims being dismissed.
 
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