Lucy Letby Case #7

[chocolatepanda6]

Just a selection of her texts but to me she is the one fishing to talk about it.
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Her colleagues aren’t exactly engaging in the conversation. They are giving her short, dead end replies.

If she was my colleague I would have got a bit fed up with her messaging about work outside of work !

 

[Lucyxxxx]

I clearly don't, my response was genuine. I don't think anyone excessively engaged with her. She had the weird reactions IMO. They reacted with shock and sadness, she had unfeeling preoccupation with detail.

If her messaging her colleagues was so unusual then why not after or during the 1st message ask her to not bring it up? Shall we just agree to disagree and I'll send an e-hug you way?

 

[veevee04]

Statistically yes it would be very very rare for all these events to occur you would have to be so unlucky but statisics are dodgy things to convict on. Lucia Deburke was later acquitted as they said they couldn't definitely say she murdered , she picked up lots of over time same with Daniela Poggiali.

 

[Instafamousssss]

It’s strange though. If she did watch that programme and then essentially learn a way to end a babies life; why would she tell her colleagues about it…because she would be thinking well if I tell my colleague I’ve just watched this program and then one of our babies dies in the same way they might put two and two together if on the off chance that they do indeed also watch that programme? Why would you run that risk? Surely you’d just keep that information to yourself that you’ve watched it incase they watch it. Thoughts? Hope that makes sense!

 

[jackolantern]

If her messaging her colleagues was so unusual then why not after or during the 1st message ask her to not bring it up? Shall we just agree to disagree and I'll send an e-hug you way?

To me the messages come across as people who don't like her, don't want to engage and are giving her the shortest answers out of politeness but to get her to stop. We all have people like that who don't get the memo. I don't see why there is such an issue of debating in this thread without having to agree with eachother and shut the convo down. Surely it's better to agree we have different opinions and discuss them, bouncing things back and forward than this constant need to silence any discussion? I don't get it.

 

[riddleme89]

The live feed has just updated with this clarification:

A small clarification for the 11.50am entry - the messages between Letby and her colleague, written on June 30, initially talk about 'that night' as the night Child A collapsed. The conversation then moved on to the wider topic of Child A, Child C and Child D having collapsed and died in the same month (June).

I thought it important to share as the 11:50am update was the one a lot us have been focusing on.

11:50am

The court has also been shown a series of messages sent between Letby and nursing colleagues in relation to the death of Child A and the non-fatal collapse of Child B.
On June 30, following the deaths of Child A, C and D, and the non-fatal collapse of Child B, Letby's colleague messaged her there was something 'odd' about that night.
Letby replies: 'What do you mean? Odd that we lost three and in different cicrumstances?'
Letby's colleague responds: "I don't know, were they that different?"
The collague added: "Ignore me, I'm speculating."

So that is crazy that staff are now thinking something is odd

 

[just_nicole]

Am I the only one who doesn’t find it that suspect. As the colleague was the one who started the conversation about it being odd and Lucy just replied saying they died in different ways and asking her colleague if she agreed?

I found it quite odd, until I realised that child A, C and D according to the allergations died from the same thing not different things (all air related)

 

[CoffeeandCookies]

We are amazing. Perfect. Sent directly from God.

Allegedly we are cry babies, sensitive, the most in tune with 'the other side', love music, often have pretty eyes. We can also be spiteful APPARENTLY.

Just described by 2 year old Pisces to a T

 

[candyland_]

To me the messages come across as people who don't like her, don't want to engage and are giving her the shortest answers out of politeness but to get her to stop.

This is how I view her texting too.
She seems to text or be on her phone a lot.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Just described by 2 year old Pisces to a T

Haha and mine! He's the prettiest little boy ever!

 

[veevee04]

To me the messages come across as people who don't like her, don't want to engage and are giving her the shortest answers out of politeness but to get her to stop. We all have people like that who don't get the memo. I don't see why there is such an issue of debating in this thread without having to agree with eachother and shut the convo down. Surely it's better to agree we have different opinions and discuss them, bouncing things back and forward than this constant need to silence any discussion? I don't get it.

I'm going to get people arguing with me here but I think she might be on the Spectrum she would have had psych reports now . She's not realising that people don't want to engage back with her.

 

[Former_Antelopee]

It’s strange though. If she did watch that programme and then essentially learn a way to end a babies life; why would she tell her colleagues about it…because she would be thinking well if I tell my colleague I’ve just watched this program and then one of our babies dies in the same way they might put two and two together if on the off chance that they do indeed also watch that programme? Why would you run that risk? Surely you’d just keep that information to yourself that you’ve watched it incase they watch it. Thoughts? Hope that makes sense!

Someone said that episode was on tv the day after the death so maybe she was watching a different episode on tv? She could’ve been watching that episode online of the baby dying in the same way. I don’t find it as weird now as I did before thinking that it was that episode that was shown on TV the day before. Cause I’d have thought maybe it would’ve shown in online history if she watched that specific episode online? Whereas watching a different episode that was on tv wouldn’t have?

 

[candyland_]

I found it quite odd, until I realised that child A, C and D according to the allergations died from the same thing not different things (all air related)

At the time they wouldn’t have known the cause of death?

 

[avabella]

This is how I view her texting too.
She seems to text or be on her phone a lot.

I don't think there's any easy way to respond to a text saying a baby has died tbf - if it was a long rambly message that then went on to talk about a new film etc then it would be deemed inappropriate.

The being on her phone a lot I don't really see any issue with - she was what, 25? They're all stuck to their phones at that age

 

[CoffeeandCookies]

Haha and mine! He's the prettiest little boy ever!

Mine has the most stunning almond eyes.
Trying to believe the “spite” is just being a 2 year old but after your post I’m worried she won’t grow out of it

 

[Daisydunn15]

To me the messages come across as people who don't like her, don't want to engage and are giving her the shortest answers out of politeness but to get her to stop. We all have people like that who don't get the memo. I don't see why there is such an issue of debating in this thread without having to agree with eachother and shut the convo down. Surely it's better to agree we have different opinions and discuss them, bouncing things back and forward than this constant need to silence any discussion? I don't get it.

Seems more of a mix to me. The one to the nurse she took over from before child A seems more formal and less like they're friends. Its how id message someone I didn't usually speak to, to let them know something had happened. Some of the others seem more like they've been dropped in normal conversational and it does say that the nature of some of the messages become more social.

 

[candyland_]

I don't think there's any easy way to respond to a text saying a baby has died tbf - if it was a long rambly message that then went on to talk about a new film etc then it would be deemed inappropriate.

The being on her phone a lot I don't really see any issue with - she was what, 25? They're all stuck to their phones at that age

I’m not saying there’s an issue with it. Just that she’s in work texting or going straight home and texting about work and searching parents. It’s a bit obsessive.

 

[noharmdone]

I also find the facebook searches strange. She says to a colleague that she doesn't want to look after baby B and she doesn't want to see the parents but then continuously searches them over a period of days on facebook?
Could mean a number of things but I find it very odd. One time, ok - bit weird but there you go - multiple times suggests she is definitely looking out for something.

That's a very good point I hadn't thought about t

The wording of that is so unnatural isn’t it. You’d reply along the lines of “what a horrible night, to lose one is horrific but to lose three is unthinkable”… saying they’ve been lost under different circumstances almost makes it look like she’s been trying to cover her tracks by using different methods.

It’s hard for me to read without any sort of bias as I think she’s guilty - interested to see what those in the innocent/unsure camp think of this?

I am in the not sure camp and I agree, the wording is very strange but (an

"It's the last time I do you a favour changing shifts! Haha"

Hours after Child A died.

But apparently very traumatised.

Just very weird.

Now that I've got nothing for what a heartless thing to say

 

[Lucyxxxx]

I'm going to get people arguing with me here but I think she might be on the Spectrum she would have had psych reports now . She's not realising that people don't want to engage back with her.

I have had my suspicions myself. No need for anyone to argue your allowed to have an opinion and air it just like anyone else. Considering if she's on the spectrum is a good and valid point IMO.

 

[Dexy]

At the time they wouldn’t have known the cause of death?

How did they come to the conclusion it was air embolism and how much later was it they figured this out?