Has anyone been watching this? I only just noticed it when I was seeing what was on later
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It’s the kind of thing older parents might buy for their kids as a present, so maybe from them? She’s so infantilised that it kinda fits.
My Dad’s idea of shopping paradise is to buy about 20 pairs of Lee Cooper jeans and Tshirts at the outlet store to last the next 3 years, I know of what I speak
Had a lengthy chat this morning with one of my brothers. He's a barrister with many years experience in criminal defence so we had a lengthy chat about Lucifer, and specifically about what decision the CPS will come up with on the 25th. He said that there are a number of reasons why this should happen but mainly:
Level of public interest - it's huge, she is a serial killer
The victims' or victim's loved ones interest in wanting to pursue it - lets hope they do
The opinions of the investigating officers and the case put forward
Have had time to gather stronger evidence on the points that couldn't be agreed upon by original jury
I asked if was likely that they may not bother given that she has already been sentenced to 14 WLO's and he said if he was working in the CPS he'd be pursuing further charges simply because the law is a funny beast and if there were even tiny grounds for appeal on the original trial, any decent law maker would make it their business to make sure that she is charged and sentenced for everything which makes the minute likelihood of ever being released nigh on impossible.
We also discussed unfair trial given press etc and he said it's a bit different when someone has been convicted of such heinous crimes. I'm afraid I zoned out about then as I absolutely adore my brother but he's a smart cookie and my little brain began to overheat at that stage
So let's hope they decide to go to town on the murdering cow.
Level of public interest - it's huge, she is a serial killer
The victims' or victim's loved ones interest in wanting to pursue it - lets hope they do
The opinions of the investigating officers and the case put forward
Have had time to gather stronger evidence on the points that couldn't be agreed upon by original jury
I asked if was likely that they may not bother given that she has already been sentenced to 14 WLO's and he said if he was working in the CPS he'd be pursuing further charges simply because the law is a funny beast and if there were even tiny grounds for appeal on the original trial, any decent law maker would make it their business to make sure that she is charged and sentenced for everything which makes the minute likelihood of ever being released nigh on impossible.
We also discussed unfair trial given press etc and he said it's a bit different when someone has been convicted of such heinous crimes. I'm afraid I zoned out about then as I absolutely adore my brother but he's a smart cookie and my little brain began to overheat at that stage
So let's hope they decide to go to town on the murdering cow.
I think there needs to be another trial to get the full picture of what she has done and what the impact is. There is the worry that she will try to appeal in the future and if there are more cases where guilt is proven it stops some of the Lucy is innocent idiots. Some of the families were devastated when no verdict was reached for their baby. Baby Q always gets played down as a minor incident but the child has been left with cerebral palsy and needs compensation.Had a lengthy chat this morning with one of my brothers. He's a barrister with many years experience in criminal defence so we had a lengthy chat about Lucifer, and specifically about what decision the CPS will come up with on the 25th. He said that there are a number of reasons why this should happen but mainly:
Level of public interest - it's huge, she is a serial killer
The victims' or victim's loved ones interest in wanting to pursue it - lets hope they do
The opinions of the investigating officers and the case put forward
Have had time to gather stronger evidence on the points that couldn't be agreed upon by original jury
I asked if was likely that they may not bother given that she has already been sentenced to 14 WLO's and he said if he was working in the CPS he'd be pursuing further charges simply because the law is a funny beast and if there were even tiny grounds for appeal on the original trial, any decent law maker would make it their business to make sure that she is charged and sentenced for everything which makes the minute likelihood of ever being released nigh on impossible.
We also discussed unfair trial given press etc and he said it's a bit different when someone has been convicted of such heinous crimes. I'm afraid I zoned out about then as I absolutely adore my brother but he's a smart cookie and my little brain began to overheat at that stage
So let's hope they decide to go to town on the murdering cow.
This is shocking. I'm surprised there's not a lot more publicity.
Look who else is a Matalan loving freak! 
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Regarding the other babies that died, it depends if their deaths were natural then there is no crime to try. It's likely though that a lot of those deaths were suspicious and involved Letby but there is not enough evidence for them to stand up in court.
Looking at the Wiki Pages (wow, great work at putting all that together so factually), can we assume that all the 10-1 verdicts had the same person being the '1' at each charge? If so, what did that person hear that the rest of the jury didn't hear. Genuine question, not mud-slinging.
The three that had the unanimous verdicts had the strongest medical evidence that the babies were defiantly attacked. The ones with the majority had very strong medical evidence but one member of the jury obviously had some reasonable doubt, like maybe the air embolism was an accident or something very strange and unusual medically kept happening on Lucy's shift. In my opinion the fact that the babies kept collapsing and dying without any explanation ruled that out but for one juror they were determined to find her not guilty unless the evidence was overwhelming.
Wtf is going on in the NHS concerning access to drugs cabinets? It seems to me anyone with a nursing or medical degree who's employed on a ward is able to access medications which can and have been used to injure patients and there's no way to track who has taken it out of the drugs cabinet or administered it until someone inadvertently witnesses them doing so, has the balls to say something and can find a senior administrative staff member who will listen.
Ferfuxake you do daily stock counts in the hospitality trade and if there's tit missing they start to look at why and through the auspices of whom.
I've worked in methadone clinics in London and Sydney. Every dose of methadone drawn from the cabinet has to be signed off by two staff members. The clinical staff who administer it and another clinical or administrative staff member has to witness the cabinet being unlocked, the measured dose being drawn, the dose being taken by the client, the bottle being resealed, the remainder measured and recorded, the bottle being returned to the cabinet, the cabinet locked & the keys returned to their own secure compartment.. Then there is a daily resolution of the stock at hand with the recorded data at the end of each clinical session. If it does not work out to the millilitre, a full internal investigation is launched.
How can anyone ever enter or see a loved one enter an NHS facility without trepidation after all these revelations?
Ooh I actually have a story about this! This has probably been going on for years. I was an inpatient about 8 years ago and I got fed up one night on the ward as it was so loud. So I decided to go for a wander about the unit, which the nurse was totally chill about.
I wandered past a room where meds were stored (complete with ‘must be shut at all times’ sign on the wide open door. There were fridges and stacks of medicines everywhere, duck knows what sort of stuff there was. It can’t have been a pharmacy as they wouldn’t be on a ward, but it seemed very odd that literally anyone could access things, including unsupervised patients. I didn’t go all the way in as I’m a chicken and knew I damn well wasn’t supposed to be there
Hopefully it’s stricter now but I do wonder how many iffy things could potentially have happened.
Its not big secret that the NHS is in shambles and lack process, technology, training...
I have been to 3rd world countries with more organised care in some instances.
When I was pregnant my local hospital would send us a text with an appointment date and a reminder that missed appointments cost the NHS millions (big lie). Yet they would make us all wait 3-4 hours for each qppointment (this is in a large city).
The text had the date but not the time, the doctor, or the section/location/hospital of the appointment and sometimes actual letters would not be sent. So I would try to ring to find our when my appointment was and change it in case it wasnt suitable and 90% you couldnt get through or leave a message.
This hospital trust could afford the tech to send us useless text messages with no details but not 50-60 year old technology that allows patients to leave a message to reschedule an appointment. Then they complain about a missed appointments!.
On enquiring at the hospital about why this was the simple answer was: thats just the NHS
Shocking
This is the kind of utterly despicable comments being made on the public Nurse Lucy Letby Group fb site.
Obvious someone with zero basic medical knowledge.
Most pre term babies simply dont die nor end up with disabilities. Its like saying its ok for someone to die just because theyre in a geriatric home!
Quiet a few of the parents describe having always felt like something bad had happened to their baby. They talk about it in their statements, why do these people feel capable of making comments like this when they so clearly know nothing?! Many of the parents had let the unthinkable cross their minds because the deaths made no sense medically at all. Just wrong on every level and disgusting.
Such a disgusting and ignorant comment on so many levels! The cast majority of babies who are born preterm are not only expected to survive but thrive. In the podcast with Dr John Gibbs said approx 400 babies a year are admitted to the neonatal unit and 0 - 6 deaths was within the expected range of deaths, so approx 1%! Many of the babies were also born after 32 weeks and one was full term.
I wish these morons would shut up and stop pretending to know what they are talking about.
Also they are not "alledged", she is a convicted murderer. It has been proven in a court of law.
Disgusting remark. How low can you go? 
She killed them, she is evil, and a jury of her peers found her guilty. It doesn’t matter what these lowlifes think.
She killed them, she is evil, and a jury of her peers found her guilty. It doesn’t matter what these lowlifes think.
What a vile thing to say. Absolute hole
So any registered nurse can hold the drug keys and it's been like that for the 14 years I've been nursing.
All the wards I've worked on have been the same. We have one set of keys and any nurse can hold them. We pass them around as and when we need to access meds.
Doctors and nursing assistants cannot hold the keys or access the medicines.
Pharmacy do a stock check twice per week and anything out of the ordinary is flagged up.
Controlled drugs is always a 2 nurse job to get them out and administer them and sign for them. You need 2 sets of keys for controlled drugs.
I work on nicu and we were single nurse check for all medicines except controlled drugs. This changed about 3 months ago off the back of Lucifer and now everything is 2 nurse checked except for benign things like multivitamins. However it still remains that any nurse at any time can ask for the keys and access medicines without question.
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