You could stuff a sock in your mouth and smother yourself that way I suppose.
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This is spot on. And denial is one of the most common defense mechanisms there is and is a normal psychological process. So colleagues who may not have been as close to her (although in all honesty, I doubt anyone was really truly close to her and the lack of any real intimacy in her life suggest she may not have been capable) may find it easier to comprehend and accept what she has done, for others, it may take substantially longer. So I agree with you in having some sympathy for them as it's genuinely something that can't be helped in some instances, irrespective of 14 WLOs.
I’m just watching the BBC Sixth Commandment drama and it got me thinking I really really hope to God no one ever makes a drama series of this. I fear they will but I hope not
They are in denialYeah, and saying “but she searched loads of other people too.” But was she being accused of murdering their babies? Also how do we know that she didn’t harm the babies of these other parents she was searching?
It can be done. You wouldn't believe the things used as ligatures that I've had to cut off over the years. A pear of jeans is particularly difficult.
It’s very good though, I never knew about that case before the drama and I think it was done well with respect to the victims. I think it’ll be a long time (if ever) before they make one about LL’s crimes. Have they ever made one about Allitt?
Not that I’m aware of. To be honest I’d never heard of Allitt before this thread.
I get this, but also selfishly I wouldn't mind because I love watching them. I loved the Dennis Nilson one with David Tennant.
If they do, I hope they seek the family's blessings.
The Sixth Commandment was excellent as was the Channel 4 documentary Catching a Killer: A diary from the grave. I watched the documentary after the BBC series and goodness me the casting was spot on.
I'm not sure about Allitt.
"It just doesn't sit right with me that..."
"I just think it's funny that..."
"I find it interesting that..."
As soon as I read these phrases I know I'm dealing with a career contrarian who is about to blow open the hatches on some of life's biggest conspiracies on Facebook comments.
Another turn of phrase that makes me rage is when customers start a tirade with "So you're telling me that...". Yes. Yes I am telling you that. Did I stutter?
"I just think it's funny that..."
"I find it interesting that..."
As soon as I read these phrases I know I'm dealing with a career contrarian who is about to blow open the hatches on some of life's biggest conspiracies on Facebook comments.
Another turn of phrase that makes me rage is when customers start a tirade with "So you're telling me that...". Yes. Yes I am telling you that. Did I stutter?
Oh it was so good! I love true crime dramas, podcasts and YouTube’s. It just feels different with this
He was brilliant in that. I love David Tennant
She had her blankies
, her special arrangements meaning everyone had to let her get seated first, told baby E’s mum to speak up and her flounce for Noname though. Think she genuinely wanted to be there for the attention, to hear it all again and see/hear the parents.
To be fair though, if you’d been LL’s boyfriend would you want to come out of the woodwork and advertise you’d dated that? I wouldn’t!
If they think she potentially started early in her career now they’re investigating her time at Liverpool women’s, basically anyone coming out would be saying they’d been dating a woman who has harming babies at the time. It could mean there’s no boyfriends (neighbours often have no clue about this though) or it could just be that anyone who’s been connected with her is going to want to deny it now.
I get this but I'd put money on it that she's a V-reg. She is not only infantile but I think probably liked being infantalised. Besides from Yawn, having had a look through all the group pictures on Facebook, she seems to be particularly friendly with much older women. Perhaps they mothered her and felt protective of her which she seems to have reveled in. NN may have been a pseudo father figure to her too. She just seems incredibly asexual to me. There is no mention of tinder or dating or shagging and it just strikes me as so strange for a young woman of 25. I was wild in my 20s, it's a time for fun and exploration and that's notably absent. It's weird.
I DON’T THINK SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE LETTERS! Sorry I’m shouting but this makes me really angry.
I think I maybe approach this from a different position to most. I knew someone who was the victim of a horrific crime. I don’t want to dox myself by giving away too much, but I knew the victim in a close work capacity, she was lovely, vibrant and funny. She didn’t deserve what happened to her and I think about her a lot.
Seeing her face on the news left me shaken, despite having not worked with her in some years. You just do not expect people you know to be involved in these horrific crimes. We all know these things happen, but usually it’s far enough detached from your reality that you can compute it. When it involves someone you actually know that changes.
For me it’s totally changed how I view the news and I get pretty angry when I see invasive reporting into victims now. I turned off BBC news alerts because of how many they send about things that are really none of our business… It also lead me to be a lot more vigilant, because I know these horrific crimes happen to people just like me… and I say all this as someone who worked with someone who became a victim some years after I worked with them.
Obviously they are not victims in the same way as the actual victims, and please don’t think I say any of this to minimise them because I really really don’t mean this like that.
But LL has left other victims behind too. There will be nurses who were meant to be looking after the babies she attacked questions their skills and abilities because they left them vulnerable to the attacks. People who knew her who will question their perception of reality and their faith and trust in people because they will struggle to understand how they didn’t spot it. There will be people who trained with her who will second guess their perception, people who assessed her on empathy who will definitely question themselves… She will have changed the lives of so so many people around her in both small and large ways. Crimes like this have waves and ripple effects. I do not blame any of these people for struggling to come to terms with it at the moment.
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