Lucy Letby Case #67

[Beigerac]

Ian Harvey is one piece of scum.

Saw this article on Reddit

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...ster-Hospital-neonatal-nurse-free-murder.html

A source told the Mail: 'Harvey retired very quickly in 2018. After Letby's arrest he cancelled his General Medical Council subscription and went to the South of France.'

Another former employee added: 'Around the time he retired, I asked Harvey whether he thought there could be a public inquiry into what had happened and his words were, "They would have to find me first", which bothered me.

This alone should prove that the inquiry should be statutory. He should be dragged back from France to answer these questions.

I’d drag him back from France by his ankles, which would be tied to the exhaust of the car I’d be driving.

 

[gigilouxx]

Bet it spent half its time in the hospital snivelling and grassing on everyone the rancid little weasel

 

[Tofino]

The mention of the coroner in the article has reminded me that I really hope the inquiry covers the coroner/post mortem process in the hospital. As rare as it is, they can’t just assume that because a baby never left a hospital that there was no deliberate harm if there is something unexplained about the death. They missed features on X-rays and came to conclusions about things like the liver injury that were unlikely because it would never enter their heads that someone may deliberately harm them. They also missed opportunities to stop her.

 

[#notanadad]

I have no words for that nurse

People need to remember that 1.2 million people work in the NHS full time, that’s a lot of people to believe every single one of them is a saint.

Obviously the vast majority are good people, but there will definitely be some bad people working for the NHS.

It’s not even just clinical staff. Obviously they’re a bigger risk because they have direct contact with patients, but even at a lower level there’s shit people. One administrator in my team, she’s a B3 in a non clinical department and I tell you now she does fuck all. She claims she doesn’t know how to do anything so all responsibility has been taken away from her, she’s been caught lying so many times and she does equivalent work to what an apprentice would (less probably, otherwise she’d never pass an NVQ). The problem is it’s so hard to get rid of staff in the NHS. You’re practically unsackable and I do think that needs to change because people feel so safe in their jobs they think they can get away with anything

 

[MmmB777]

Who is Eirian Powell? Have we heard her name before?

Yeah she did actually take the stand. She went on about what an excellent nurse Letby was. Then BNE asked her if letby had been there for every death and unexpected collapse on the unit and she said yes.

 

[gigilouxx]

I’m sure during baby A’s evidence, one of the replies to her texts about the death, included something about her “bad run” even at that point

Oh my god well spotted. This is just gonna be catastrophic. Imagine all the parents now who’s children spent time in the NICU whilst she was there, just sat waiting wondering if they’re gonna get a knock off the police.

 

[Lililyly]

“Nice Lucy” that thought she was better than everybody around her, spent her whole day slagging people in texts instead of doing her job and sneered at anybody she thought below her. Her face didn’t fit because A) it’s fucking huge and B) she was an absolute weird little covert narcissistic bitch.

“Her face didn’t fit because it’s fucking huge”

 

[Tofino]

I understand a HCP may accidentally forget to take some paperwork out of their pocket but I would absolutely expect them to dispose of it immediately or next shift.

there is absolutely no excuse for hoarding.

 

[abelleza]

New article from Dan

Lucy Letby: Parents accuse ex-hospital boss of 'total fob off'

Former medical director Ian Harvey has been accused of a "shameful" failure to address their concerns.

www.bbc.co.uk

In a statement issued to the BBC, Mr Harvey said:

"Having read the heart-rending victim impact statements, I know how desperate the parents are for answers and I will help them as best I can at the public inquiry.

"I'm sorry they felt fobbed off. I wanted to give detailed and accurate answers, but this was difficult while the reviews and investigations were taking place.

"Once the police were involved, we were advised by them not to say or do anything that might jeopardise their investigation.

"I was told all communication had to go through the police and not come from the hospital. I apologise for not communicating that clearly enough at the time."

According to reports, Mr Harvey was referred to the General Medical Council (GMC) in 2018 following allegations he "misled the public in media statements", encouraged "an atmosphere of secrecy and fear" and failed to act "appropriately or in a timely manner" when consultants raised concerns.

Anthony Omo, director of fitness to practise and general counsel at the GMC, said: "In 2018 we received a complaint about Ian Harvey which we promoted for a full investigation.

"During our investigation, we liaised with the police, obtained an independent expert report and a witness statement, and thoroughly examined all relevant information.

"At the conclusion of our investigation, our senior decision makers considered all of the evidence and decided that the case did not reach the threshold for referral to the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service for a hearing."

So it looks like Ian Harvey had been referred to the GMC but they investigated and found trying to cover up the deaths of babies did not meet the threshold for being struck off seriously?! They are such a useless organisation!!! But last year they struck off a doctor for asking for a fucking work laptop.

 

[LittleMy]

I definitely think there’s some truth to her targetting multiples as it meant she would be able to prey on the parents’ grief for longer. It takes a really cruel person to want to hurt one baby nevermind twins or triplets. She stole their joy from them (or tried to in some cases). She must’ve relished the parents’ agony

 

[Tofino]

I've just heard that she's checking herself into Rampton.

I knew she would pull the mental health card

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

When I trained I raised as many alarms as was humanly possible about one fellow student, conscious not to appear a bully but knowing she was a compulsive liar (myself and supervisor had caught her out a number of times) and manipulator who deliberately set up other students. It was a very fine line and I had to ensure everything I said was based on professional standards and facts.

She unraveled throughout the course within other placements and disrupted other students, so was relieved when I never saw her…..that was until she hobbled up for graduation on crutches (it must be a reoccurring theme with these people). My entire cohort were shocked. So she got through….someone deemed this master manipulator a nurse.

I had a very dear colleague where I used to work who was known for being thorough and an excellent educator. She consequently got stuck with mentoring the “difficult” students. The pressure on her was UNREAL to get them up to standards and pass them, seniors even hinted a couple of times just to pass them so they could be moved on and become someone else’s problem. She was amazing at getting the ones who genuinely struggled to reflect on their practice and make the changes, taking some of her patience and kindness into their next placement or first job. I was always so thankful she was there and she absolutely stood her ground when people could not be passed (various reasons, mainly poor attitude and not having empathy- some obviously just wanted fast track to management and didn’t want to get their hands dirty). Some of these would have glowing references from previous placements, brilliant students but not authentic with patient care. It’s people like my friend who are the gatekeepers. I would be interested to hear what LL’s mentors made of her while she was training.

 

[MmmB777]

Two more podcasts will be out on Monday, interviews with some of the parents

 

[Tofino]

12 more cases being investigated by police apparently

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...es-collapses-babies-hospitals-malevolent.html

So these 12 are cases police think may be suspicious so have passed to medical experts for review. That sounds particularly significant as they have gone further than just initial police investigation.

 

[AllieBee]

I see a lot of discussion around the diaries and handover notes and I just wanted to put a bit of information out there. Nurses have to revalidate every 3 years, which means they have to prove worked hours and further study. Another element of revalidation is that we have to write a minimum of 5 reflections. These reflections are about incidents in the ward environment that could have been handled better, learning opportunities that arose from those incidents, and how we could have improved our own performance in those moments. So a lot of nurses do keep diaries at home without identifying factors for the purpose of writing those required reflections when the time comes for revalidation. Secondly, the term handover notes; in some hospital wards, there are pre-printed blank handover sheets that you take and fill out during handover with relevant information. Most nurses fold these up and put them in their pockets for quick reference during a shift, or add to them in order to remember information to hand over to the next team. I bet if I went into my car now, there's one or two from months/years past under the seats. I know for a fact as I sit here typing this, yesterdays is currently sitting on my bed, where I emptied the pockets this morning to wash my uniforms for my next set of shifts. Again, it's not that unusual to find nurses (especially un-tidy ones) hoarding handover notes, especially if they want to transfer information into their reflective diary for revalidation. Now sheets of written notes taken directly from patient notes are an *entirely* different ballgame.

You might do this but I never have, if I've ever taken one home accidentally I take it back for shredding next shift. It would also be against the code of conduct. If I want to write a reflection I do it the same day whilst fresh in my memory and don't need a handover sheet to tell me the details.

 

[Cack_Conroe]

I'm afraid I disagree with some of the below. It was establishe throughout the investigation and court case that she is highly intelligent. Even the judge said so when sentencing her. So I really don't think that is a trait we can put into doubt. What I think her achilles tendon was that she is incredibly narcissistic and think she is better than everyone else, therefore they wouldn't catch her. She got away with it for years (way before Child A) and got cocky, so she was unprepared for what was to come. If she had truly realised they were onto her she would have disposed of or hidden a lot of the paperwork she had. She just wasnt expecting them.

It was not established. An IQ test was never mentioned or presented to court. Some people shared their opinions. None said she was "highly" intelligent. The judge just said she was intelligent along with other descriptors.

From what I saw in court, she was very articulate, which is a form of intelligence, but she was not intelligent overall. Some of her behaviours and the things she decided to say bordered on stupid.

Also, she was unable to come up with realistic or feasible explanations, when so many of her online supporters were able to come up with excuse after excuse, and innocent reason after innocent reason. After seven years of thinking about this, she had hardly come up with anything at all for any aspect of her defence, which indicates both a lack of creativity, and a poor ability to understand how other people think.

 

[F1Grid]

Was this the woman who produced a flow chart to show why the insulin evidence was inaccurate but while her work looked good it was wrong. Someone on here who was very at maths worked it all out and she had made a mistake converting the units.

Yes. In addition she's made some assumptions that are interesting to say the least (such as neonates being faster to clear insulin and other drugs out of their system, when one of the key things in paediatric pharmacology is that neonates clear these things more slowly due to how the renal blood flow is fresh out of the womb vs in adult life, so you'd need less drug to cause an overdose, and this is exacerbated in premature babies).

 

[Tofino]

New article from Dan

Lucy Letby: Parents accuse ex-hospital boss of 'total fob off'

Former medical director Ian Harvey has been accused of a "shameful" failure to address their concerns.

www.bbc.co.uk

In a statement issued to the BBC, Mr Harvey said:

"Having read the heart-rending victim impact statements, I know how desperate the parents are for answers and I will help them as best I can at the public inquiry.

"I'm sorry they felt fobbed off. I wanted to give detailed and accurate answers, but this was difficult while the reviews and investigations were taking place.

"Once the police were involved, we were advised by them not to say or do anything that might jeopardise their investigation.

"I was told all communication had to go through the police and not come from the hospital. I apologise for not communicating that clearly enough at the time."

According to reports, Mr Harvey was referred to the General Medical Council (GMC) in 2018 following allegations he "misled the public in media statements", encouraged "an atmosphere of secrecy and fear" and failed to act "appropriately or in a timely manner" when consultants raised concerns.

Anthony Omo, director of fitness to practise and general counsel at the GMC, said: "In 2018 we received a complaint about Ian Harvey which we promoted for a full investigation.

"During our investigation, we liaised with the police, obtained an independent expert report and a witness statement, and thoroughly examined all relevant information.

"At the conclusion of our investigation, our senior decision makers considered all of the evidence and decided that the case did not reach the threshold for referral to the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service for a hearing."

 

[gigilouxx]

Richard Gills probably been obsessed with women for that long he’ll even go to the lengths of protesting the innocence of not 1, not 2 but 3 serial killers for the attention of them. Victorino Chua is the only male in his Filofax of bullshit, he’s a fucked little freak and the only place he belongs is on a register. Don’t give him any attention it’s what he craves the most. Him and his mini spring roll willy

 

[jackolantern]

Anyone who thinks jail is cushy is a fool. Things like a TV and the ability to (somewhat in her case) decorate a room or shop (very somewhat) only mean anything if you have a full life surrounding them, if they are all you have? They are just purgatory. She can moderately decorate her cell, her eternal holding place, surrounded by the worst criminals, she can buy a limited choice of used clothing noone can see her in, she can watch certain channels on TV to see a life she will never have again. Where's the point?