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Don’t know if u have all seen this … but there is a documentary about IT on itvx.
You tattlers probably know more than the documentary lol xx but could be worth a watch … expecting a Netflix show about IT soon… certainly hope that witch won’t be proffing off any tv show tho … half of me wishes they wouldn’t make documentaries etc about IT…. I have a awful feeling she will love being famous for her sickening acts 🤮 xx
 
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My heart stopped reading that wondering if tattle or the wiki would get a mention 😬 probably easier to pick out comments on Reddit than it is to sift through 60+ threads of our comments mixed in with wrong fella fella, Les Dennis, osama kind eyes, Fred West Ham etc.
 
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I’ve followed the trial and like many of us i have found myself watching and reading lots about her to try and understand her psyche. There are a few things, other than the obvious, that I can’t get my head around and would love to chew the cud with you lot.

* Has ‘this’ been her plan all along, did she choose her education to lead towards a nursing career because she knew she had a compulsion/desire to harm babies. I find it really hard to imagine someone choosing GCSE’s etc knowing that they had that evil inside.
* I wonder if she saw a genuine crash call at some point and got a thrill from it so began to engineer them herself and got hooked on the ‘buzz’
* why did she not spread the attacks out more? Surely she’d know that the amount of crises happening would be suspicious.
* why didn’t she get rid of the handover sheets and notes as soon as she got wind that there was an investigation. I read somewhere that one of the detectives felt that the notes had been left there for them to find. I can’t fathom why anyone would do that, they were so incriminating.
* on the clip of her interview (at the end of the arrest video) she is really softly spoken and sounds like she might be whispering. I struggled to hear her. I wonder if that was her real voice or if it was part of front to try and appear meek and mild.
 
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[COLOR=%s]I’ve followed the trial and like many of us i have found myself watching and reading lots about her to try and understand her psyche. There are a few things, other than the obvious, that I can’t get my head around and would love to chew the cud with you lot.

* Has ‘this’ been her plan all along, did she choose her education to lead towards a nursing career because she knew she had a compulsion/desire to harm babies. I find it really hard to imagine someone choosing GCSE’s etc knowing that they had that evil inside.
* I wonder if she saw a genuine crash call at some point and got a thrill from it so began to engineer them herself and got hooked on the ‘buzz’
* why did she not spread the attacks out more? Surely she’d know that the amount of crises happening would be suspicious.
* why didn’t she get rid of the handover sheets and notes as soon as she got wind that there was an investigation. I read somewhere that one of the detectives felt that the notes had been left there for them to find. I can’t fathom why anyone would do that, they were so incriminating.
* on the clip of her interview (at the end of the arrest video) she is really softly spoken and sounds like she might be whispering. I struggled to hear her. I wonder if that was her real voice or if it was part of front to try and appear meek and mild.[/COLOR]
I believe she has planned this for a very long time, and she decided on this career for malevolent reasons. Maybe she didn't grow up specifically thinking she would murder, but to have that level of power and control over lives and emotions. Though it also wouldn't surprise me if she was thinking about murder and violence towards babies for a long time as well.

One of the reasons I think this is because Lucy had told Dippy Dawn that she wanted to be a neonatal nurse because her mum had had a tricky birth with her, and she is so grateful to those who saved her life. Separately, that person on Facebook said Lucy wanted to work with babies because she couldn't have children. Regardless of whether Lucy was lying about these things or not, the fact she felt the need to justify her desire to go into neonatal nursing with dramatic personal stories is strange. Being a neonatal nurse is universally admired, and it makes me wonder if she had guilty knowledge of her motives so was pre-emptively justifying herself.

I don't think any of this was an accidental addiction, the same person said she would maliciously sabotage other kids' school work and make up lies about herself for attention, so she's been sly, deceitful and vicious from a young age. Also, if she was just hooked on the buzz of resuscitations, she wouldn't have made the victims unsavable (such as with air embolisms), or sabotaged babies at the end of her shifts.

She is arrogant and has an over-inflated opinion of her own intelligence. She didn't spread out the attacks more because in my opinion, she is not intelligent enough to think that far ahead, and also underestimated other people's ability to notice. This underestimation was bolstered by continually getting away with it; the June 2016 rampage followed managers absolving her of any involvement in May 2016.

I think she didn't get rid of the paperwork for the very same reason: she was not bright enough to realise she could still get caught. The aftermath of her being removed from the ward included her filing a successful grievance and successfully fighting to be returned to her old role, plus the police had been investigating for 14 months before they raided her house. She probably thought she was in the clear, or thought she would get round to getting rid of it at some point. These were likely trophies she she would have been reluctant. She probably never imagined she would get raided and searched - as can be seen from how willingingly she lets the police into her house.

She definitely didn't write those embarrassing post-it notes with the intention of anyone seeing them, because they're too indecipherable and incoherent.

Correct, that is not her real voice and she's definitely trying to appear meek and mild. When I saw her during cross examination by the prosecution, her voice was louder, lower and very confident. She was attempting to appear authoritative and professional when I saw her.
 
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I don't think any of this was an accidental addiction, the same person said she would maliciously sabotage other kids' school work and make up lies about herself for attention,
Who said this? I've not yet seen anyone say anything about her so I'm interested where this is stated.
 
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I don’t really know where I am going with this tbh, but just been having a look at the RCPCH FOI and these are the deaths below, that are from Jan 2015 - 2016 (Jul) who aren’t the babies that she was convicted of. She was on shift for 8 further deaths and they think she is suspected of murdering 6 and 2 are natural cases (and there must be 1 that was natural causes when she wasn’t on shift I take it).
Jan 15 - 1 death
Sept 15 - 2 deaths
Dec 15 - 1 death
Jan 16 - 3 deaths
Feb 16 - 1 death
Mar 16 - 1 death
So 6 of them are at her hands 🤢

2014 there was 3 neonatal deaths in Feb, March and August
This is interesting because when you hear about the trial babies, it is very quiet between November 2015 and March 2016. The trial gave the impression that these were calmer months where there was not many life threatening collapses and deaths. However it is not the case there were 6 deaths in this four month period.
 
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If you haven't listened to the most recent episode of Red Handed which is all about LL, please do.

It's especially worth listening to the bit 26 minutes in where they absolutely slate her bedroom and call her a basic witch 🤣🤣🤣. It's just so good. They hit the nail on the absolute head when talking about how weird it was.

it does cover the whole case well for those who aren't so familiar with it too.
Thanks for the recommendation - I’m listening to it now.
 
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I believe she has planned this for a very long time, and she decided on this career for malevolent reasons. Maybe she didn't grow up specifically thinking she would murder, but to have that level of power and control over lives and emotions. Though it also wouldn't surprise me if she was thinking about murder and violence towards babies for a long time as well.

One of the reasons I think this is because Lucy had told Dippy Dawn that she wanted to be a neonatal nurse because her mum had had a tricky birth with her, and she is so grateful to those who saved her life. Separately, that person on Facebook said Lucy wanted to work with babies because she couldn't have children. Regardless of whether Lucy was lying about these things or not, the fact she felt the need to justify her desire to go into neonatal nursing with dramatic personal stories is strange. Being a neonatal nurse is universally admired, and it makes me wonder if she had guilty knowledge of her motives so was pre-emptively justifying herself.

I don't think any of this was an accidental addiction, the same person said she would maliciously sabotage other kids' school work and make up lies about herself for attention, so she's been sly, deceitful and vicious from a young age. Also, if she was just hooked on the buzz of resuscitations, she wouldn't have made the victims unsavable (such as with air embolisms), or sabotaged babies at the end of her shifts.

She is arrogant and has an over-inflated opinion of her own intelligence. She didn't spread out the attacks more because in my opinion, she is not intelligent enough to think that far ahead, and also underestimated other people's ability to notice. This underestimation was bolstered by continually getting away with it; the June 2016 rampage followed managers absolving her of any involvement in May 2016.

I think she didn't get rid of the paperwork for the very same reason: she was not bright enough to realise she could still get caught. The aftermath of her being removed from the ward included her filing a successful grievance and successfully fighting to be returned to her old role, plus the police had been investigating for 14 months before they raided her house. She probably thought she was in the clear, or thought she would get round to getting rid of it at some point. These were likely trophies she she would have been reluctant. She probably never imagined she would get raided and searched - as can be seen from how willingingly she lets the police into her house.

She definitely didn't write those embarrassing post-it notes with the intention of anyone seeing them, because they're too indecipherable and incoherent.

Correct, that is not her real voice and she's definitely trying to appear meek and mild. When I saw her during cross examination by the prosecution, her voice was louder, lower and very confident. She was attempting to appear authoritative and professional when I saw her.
@Cack_Conroe Have you watched the Operation Hummingbird program yet? Was interesting seeing the detectives that were in court when we were there talking about the investigation
 
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That's why I was asking sbout if her Dad was married before. First child/marriage at 44 is very late (for that generation)
I'm not sure if her dad was married before but her mom was. It was reported by the press during the trial. Her name was Susan E J Davies b1960, she got married in 1979. She never reverted back to her maiden name before marrying John in 1989. I can't find any other kids
 
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Mail have released another podcast! With Dr Gibbs. Such a soft spot for him after the story on here 💕
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Sharing again because it warms my heart.. hope OP doesn’t mind me doing so 💕


Im new to this thread. Just read the last page. Im gona comment cold. With no preconceptions or opinions. Ill read though later…so

I had a premature baby at the countess of chester hospital. A few years before the baby deaths in scbu. At 29 weeks He stayed in for nearly 5 weeks and I barely left babies side.

I know the layouts the protocols and one paediatrician in particular. Dr Gibbs. Still there I believe.
We usually chat about what he's passionate about.
His work…so
We spoke babies…

dr Gibbs is like an incabod crane character from sleepy hollow.
Tall and huge hands.
Not the first time Id had dealings with him as hes treated all my kids for one thing or another.

He does his rounds on all the prem babies. He’d pick them up and look at them all over twisting his wrist so he never missed a spot. We look
In amazement. I chuckled and said “ you must be like crane to them. We laughed.

We chatted more and he talked of a time when the generators failed at the hospital and so did the back up.
There was no ventilation for the babies. Dr gibbs was the only one there, he manually ventilated 3 babies alone. He said, ‘so my hands and wing span came in handy that day! Rushing from cot to cot for a terrifying few minutes. He kept all three babies alive and they survived.
The attention and care my son had was remarkable. The details such as flat you can use with your family to relax and eat. The little knitted clothes to use and the memory boxes for your baby. The support and the chats the nurses would be so attentive. Make you drinks.
There is no way on this earth that those doctors and nurses on The countess of Chester neonatal ward, from my personal experience over a month we where there,was in the slightest bit negligent. Maybe too trusting in what happened. But never neglectful.

They layout is 3 rooms. As you come through the ward turn left, the emergency room 1 is to your right. If its was the same then. Theres a side room to your left where a very high dependant poorly baby would be. Then room 3 is ahead. Thats the last room before home and room 2 is next to room 3 but not in view. I can see how shes been able to hide whats shes doing if shes in the high dependant room and room 2. Its out of view. Then when a baby is really poorly a screen is used. Then again opportunity.
I saw alot, experienced a baby come from stoke to alderhay very poorly but died in Chester was treated with dignity and we all felt it because the air went quiet for the rest of the shift. So every baby death in there was felt by all. Respected by consultants nurses parents alike.
No…Id never for one minute suspect hospital neglect.
I know the nursing on the other wards is questionable but in high dependancy they have no choice to do their work or babies will die? .
All I saw where hard working professionals.
 
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Times article about Karen Rees. Of course she believed (hoped!) Lucy was ‘innocent’!!! Worst thing that could happen to Karen Rees would be Lucy being found guilty as she now faces a ton of scrutiny that’s completely justified. Still not taking an ounce of responsibility though.


She had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent

“I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”

Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.

Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.

It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.

When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.

Rees, who lives in north Wales, said she had understood that the most life-threatened babies had been placed in Letby’s care and that no performance problems had been raised until Brearey contacted her on June 24, 2016, demanding her removal. She said that the neonatal unit’s manager, Eirian Powell, had assured her that there were no concerns about Letby. Powell has not responded to requests for comment.

When approached before the verdict was delivered but after all the evidence in the trial had been heard, Rees’s sister-in-law, who lives next door to her, said that the former nursing director believed that Letby was innocent.

A source at the Countess of Chester said: “There are still a small number of people on the neonatal unit who think she is innocent. They are finding it difficult to believe she could have done it, because for so long they were fed the narrative that Letby was being blamed by consultants who were making excuses for their own mistakes.”
 
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Times article about Karen Rees. Of course she believed (hoped!) Lucy was ‘innocent’!!! Worst thing that could happen to Karen Rees would be Lucy being found guilty as she now faces a ton of scrutiny that’s completely justified. Still not taking an ounce of responsibility though.


She had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent

“I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”

Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.

Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.

It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.

When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.

Rees, who lives in north Wales, said she had understood that the most life-threatened babies had been placed in Letby’s care and that no performance problems had been raised until Brearey contacted her on June 24, 2016, demanding her removal. She said that the neonatal unit’s manager, Eirian Powell, had assured her that there were no concerns about Letby. Powell has not responded to requests for comment.

When approached before the verdict was delivered but after all the evidence in the trial had been heard, Rees’s sister-in-law, who lives next door to her, said that the former nursing director believed that Letby was innocent.

A source at the Countess of Chester said: “There are still a small number of people on the neonatal unit who think she is innocent. They are finding it difficult to believe she could have done it, because for so long they were fed the narrative that Letby was being blamed by consultants who were making excuses for their own mistakes.”
Who is Eirian Powell? Have we heard her name before?
 
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It must have been so hard for the NICU staff to know there was something badly wrong and that the safety of the babies was compromised and to have to struggle to get Lucy removed. They go into the profession to heal and save lives and then to see babies dying and knowing it was not normal. The managers that wanted to bring Lucy back were not neonatalist they probably never read the babies notes or tried to understand why the death rate was so high.
 
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Ms Rees frequently went for coffee with Letby in the two years after her suspension. When she retired in March 2018 - four month after Letby's arrest - the nurse went along to her leaving party.
Feck no wonder Letby thought she would get away with it and be back to work if management were meeting her for coffee and believing her sob stories, shame she didn’t take the time to listen to the consultants.
 
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