Lucy Letby Case #66 Guilty

Several points …

I think the extensive search was because the case was so huge they didn’t want to chance missing anything. I’m sure they didn’t think she had babies under her lawn but she could well have buried trophies there. They wouldn’t have wanted to fuck it up by missing even the smallest thing.

I’m sure I read that she was suspended from her admin job after the first arrest in 2018 and sacked once charged in 2020.

She didn’t try and pin it on Dr NN. Why are people making stupid shit up? Nor did he know what she was up to. Do you really think in an investigation this big that they’d have missed that he was made anonymous because he is clearly a lying, cheating piece of shit with very poor judgment who was unprofessional by sharing information with LL at the time she was moved off the ward, and continued to see her well into 2017 even though consultants were insisting she had murdered them. I’d say the abrupt end to their relationship came when he found out she was being investigated for murder.

MmmB777 said:

A black bin bag appeared in her garage between the 1st and 2nd arrest and that’s where the “nobody knows what happened and why” note was then discovered. She was not supposed to return to her own house between the arrests.
At the same time and date her parents place is searched and the further 6 handovers are found. Raises serious questions about where she got those handovers from and an insight into her psyche that even after what she’s accused of and been found to have all those medical records collated under her bed, she still couldn’t be without more handovers and marked them “keep”. Totally mind boggling. She should have to answer how she got them and how she got them to her parents home.

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I know she was bailed to stay at her parents, but why Would she not be allowed to go to her house, was that part of her bail conditions?
when she was on bail she was still going out socialising so wasn’t restricted on where she went then.
But like you say where was she hiding the handover sheets in between arrests, loopy Dawns ??

Aberscot said:

I know she was bailed to stay at her parents, but why Would she not be allowed to go to her house, was that part of her bail conditions?
when she was on bail she was still going out socialising so wasn’t restricted on where she went then.
But like you say where was she hiding the handover sheets in between arrests, loopy Dawns ??

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I suppose it would be because they were treating her house as a 'crime scene'. They didn't want her to tamper with anything that they could later find.

Tofino said:

I don’t remember her ever being asked that. I wonder where on earth she kept these papers that were found later though. I assume they searched her car even though I don’t think it’s been mentioned.

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After which arrest did they dig the garden up?

Tofino said:

I don’t remember her ever being asked that. I wonder where on earth she kept these papers that were found later though. I assume they searched her car even though I don’t think it’s been mentioned.

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I’m 99% sure I remember reading that they seized her car for a period of time after her first arrest

poppyseed1 said:

I can’t believe the number of green arrows this comment got , I honestly thought the supportive comments on twitter was just a handful of people with fake accounts

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The more time goes on, the more the whole notes things frustrate me, because they were literally such an inconsequential piece of information that actually had barely any baring on the case. There was no medical evidence on the post-its, no proper confession, just some random ramblings, that in the end I don't think the jury even considered because they had no reference to the babies.

The notes are a smoking gun, and I wish people would see this.

slingo16 said:

After which arrest did they dig the garden up?

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First. Pretty sure that’s the pics of the tent they put up. Sorry but again when she’s described as so ordinary and not a creepy serial killer… living right next to the baby cemetery fits the bill for creepy serial killer pretty well imo 🫠

MmmB777 said:

Have a look yourself. If Letby falsified the notes to try and change when bleeding happened was that to set him up for the crimes, as you alluded to? No. She falsifies things to keep herself out of the picture or to claim a more gradual deterioration.
At no point is it suggested by anybody that she was trying to make it look like he was trying to kill baby N, that’s just not true. It wouldn’t be a crime if he had caused bleeding via clumsy intubation or an attempted murder. You’re suggesting this is all part of a picture with your comments about the killing me softly note and you’re adding unnecessary and utterly inaccurate dramatisation. It’s crude. You should stop. There is no evidence at all that she was hoping to set Dr A up as a murderer or planting notes alluding to him being a murderer. It’s utter garbage.

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He's not the only one.

If you go through the trial, she does it to others too.
Nurse Hudson springs to mind.

And you are the one jumping to the conclusion that I'm suggesting she's trying to pin the 'murders' on him.
I'm suggesting that she is far more devious.

I'm suggesting that she is trying to make others look implicated, because then she can point to the Care Standards Report (or whatever the body was called that were called in and did an assessment of the unit) (who produce their report fairly early on in the course of events) - and on which a large part of the defence relied on (mainly by implication) - to make it look like the spike in infant mortality was due to "poor skill sets" and staffing problems.

I'm suggesting that is why she was bangs on about her concerns that the Nursery Nurses didn't know how to change the stoma bags - or more precisely that the stoma bags were not fitted in the way she had been trained to do so in Liverpool.
Despite it being a relatively easy thing to do, a common part of nurse training, and that the parents will, or have, been shown how to do so, and are capable of doing so, since they were due to take the child home.

If she can spread the blame around enough, then there are no murders.
There is simply a spike in unexplained deaths at a unit that is under-staffed and poorly skilled.
And perhaps insanitary if you believe the plumber.
That in essence is her defence.

Oh and since I'm thinking aloud - assuming that is allowed - I'd also suggest that is why so many of those she targets are twins and emergency admissions - which is not that unreasonable in a hosptital with a fairly wide catchment area.
Because when the ward is busy, and the staff are stretched- doing their diligent best for the children and the parents - it offers her the chance to surreptitiously, and sneakily, make her twisted point.

gimmethattea said:

This has probably been asked already, but having seen someone mention 30 more babies that are being looked at with a scope of over 4000 to look at, what happens if they find there evidence to charge her with, but there couldn't be a fair trial due to finding a jury etc...

I doubt she would ever plead guilty to further crimes as I doubt she would ever plead guilty to these ones.

I have tried good old Google, but not had any luck.

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I remember someone equating her with Shipman in this regard, and found this article. I imagine Letby would be similar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/647866.stm

bluefootedbooby said:

The more time goes on, the more the whole notes things frustrate me, because they were literally such an inconsequential piece of information that actually had barely any baring on the case. There was no medical evidence on the post-its, no proper confession, just some random ramblings, that in the end I don't think the jury even considered because they had no reference to the babies.

The notes are a smoking gun, and I wish people would see this.

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They did reference the babies a lot E.g “I killed them”.

also do you mean “not a smoking gun”, because earlier you say “inconsequential” and then you say “smoking gun” which means indisputable evidence.

Aberscot said:

I know she was bailed to stay at her parents, but why Would she not be allowed to go to her house, was that part of her bail conditions?
when she was on bail she was still going out socialising so wasn’t restricted on where she went then.
But like you say where was she hiding the handover sheets in between arrests, loopy Dawns ??

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You could equally ask how they knew that she would write things and make notes.

Maybe they profiled her, and calculated that she would break the bail conditions which would offer them the opportunity to rearrest her and question her further.

MmmB777 said:

First. Pretty sure that’s the pics of the tent they put up. Sorry but again when she’s described as so ordinary and not a creepy serial killer… living right next to the baby cemetery fits the bill for creepy serial killer pretty well imo 🫠

Police dig up back garden and search gutters at home of neonatal nurse

Police officers are digging up land around Lucy Letby's home in Chester and searching gutters after she was arrested on suspicion of the murder of 8 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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And I think that's it, as a neonatal nurse, she was surrounded by the miracle of life. The role (apart from clinical) should have been one of filling that gap mothering and having a genuine love for the child.

Then she moves into a house next to a baby cemetery, which is almost the complete opposite to 'the miracle of life'. This is very strange in itself. I'm not sure as a neonatal nurse, you would want that reminder that some babies would not make it.

wibble said:

He's not the only one.

If you go through the trial, she does it to others too.
Nurse Hudson springs to mind.

And you are the one jumping to the conclusion that I'm suggesting she's trying to pin the 'murders' on him.
I'm suggesting that she is far more devious.

I'm suggesting that she is trying to make others look implicated, because then she can point to the Care Standards Report (or whatever the body was called that were called in and did an assessment of the unit) (who produce their report fairly early on in the course of events) - and on which a large part of the defence relied on (mainly by implication) - to make it look like the spike in infant mortality was due to "poor skill sets" and staffing problems.

I'm suggesting that is why she was bangs on about her concerns that the Nursery Nurses didn't know how to change the stoma bags - or more precisely that the stoma bags were not fitted in the way she had been trained to do so in Liverpool.
Despite it being a relatively easy thing to do, a common part of nurse training, and that the parents will, or have, been shown how to do so, and are capable of doing so, since they were due to take the child home.

If she can spread the blame around enough, then there are no murders.
There is simply a spike in unexplained deaths at a unit that is under-staffed and poorly skilled.
And perhaps insanitary if you believe the plumber.
That in essence is her defence.

Oh and since I'm thinking aloud - assuming that is allowed - I'd also suggest that is why so many of those she targets are twins and emergency admissions - which is not that unreasonable in a hosptital with a fairly wide catchment area.
Because when the ward is busy, and the staff are stretched- doing their diligent best for the children and the parents - it offers her the chance to surreptitiously, and sneakily, make her twisted point.

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(Bits in bold) well yeah no shit Sherlock we all know that we followed the trial as it happened, we’ve known she did that for months!

wibble said:

You could equally ask how they knew that she would write things and make notes.

Maybe they profiled her, and calculated that she would break the bail conditions which would offer them the opportunity to rearrest her and question her further.

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Well they don't know anything about suspects do they before they arrest and search homes? That's the point of making an arrest and getting a search warrant. They knew she was a note maker after they searched her house. They say in the Op. Hummingbird documentary that they didn't expect to find so much paper evidence at her home.

MmmB777 said:

First. Pretty sure that’s the pics of the tent they put up. Sorry but again when she’s described as so ordinary and not a creepy serial killer… living right next to the baby cemetery fits the bill for creepy serial killer pretty well imo 🫠

Police dig up back garden and search gutters at home of neonatal nurse

Police officers are digging up land around Lucy Letby's home in Chester and searching gutters after she was arrested on suspicion of the murder of 8 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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I have a feeling this will be mentioned again in the future.

They also searched her desk at her work, because wasn't some of the notes found there? Or am I dreaming it.

I still am struggling to believe this case, I just can’t. It just feels so god damn wrong we all know there’s evil in the world, we read or hear about it daily and some of us actually live it.. but this, it’s just heartbreaking. A place you go to to birth the lifeyou’ve been growing, a place you go to and you should feel comfortable and in safe hands, and it’s all taken away for no reason at all

gimmethattea said:

I have a feeling this will be mentioned again in the future.

They also searched her desk at her work, because wasn't some of the notes found there? Or am I dreaming it.

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No there were definitely some notes found at her desk at work. We discussed how bizarre it was that she’d make and leave them in such a public place when it came out in the trial.

Wings said:

They did reference the babies a lot E.g “I killed them”.

also do you mean “not a smoking gun”, because earlier you say “inconsequential” and then you say “smoking gun” which means indisputable evidence.

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Don't get me wrong, I get that she wrote that BUT in the grand scheme of things within the prosecution they weren't the focus.

And yes I do I've been using that phrase wrong my whole life! Thankyou!

bluefootedbooby said:

Don't get me wrong, I get that she wrote that BUT in the grand scheme of things within the prosecution they weren't the focus.

And yes I do I've been using that phrase wrong my whole life! Thankyou!

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No I get that, but they do add a lot of colour and give an insight into her thoughts and mental state.

daisynoon said:

I remember someone equating her with Shipman in this regard, and found this article. I imagine Letby would be similar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/647866.stm

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I know it's the law and it's fair, but it's so sad to think there are people out there who won't get the same justice or compensation because they might not get the chance to go to trial.