I recon she’ll do art therapies
I recon she’ll do art therapiesApparently she can do an open university degree. Wonder if they do a Beige Studies course
Criminal profiler Pat Brown has done an interesting piece on LL and the likelihood of her having MBP….. Worth a watchIt will be very interesting to me if some of the parents wish to break the court ordered anonymity and what or if any legal actions will be taken against them. In Australia several years ago a survivor of CSA wished to speak out and the anonymity order about her case prevented her from doing so. She fought a protracted legal battle to be permitted to name herself. For the rights of every SA survivor to make the decision to break the anonymity order on their own cases.
Her name is Grace Tame. (Pron. Tar-May) She is a courageous & fascinating young woman whose own tragedy and trauma has wounded but not beaten her. When she finally won the right to tell her story, to name the names she wanted known beginning with her own, the depths of the complicity by education, health, police and judicial authorities in her on-going abuse by a teacher and in the efforts taken to exonerate him were finally known.
When all Letby's appeals have been exhausted and those bereaved families can finally tell all they know without risk of giving Lucy-Fer any technicality of evidence to hang a plea for mercy on, I think the breadth of this cover-up at the hospital, the identity of "Dr Dreamy" , his role and level of influence with the managers, the nurses' union officials' role & level of influence in this wall of protection erected around her will be known. I think there are a lot more people with very dark questions to answer in all of this. Her over-indulgent parents among them.
If she has MBP or Factitious Disorder Inflicted on Others as they call it now, that is almost always done by a very specific group in society.
98% are women
96% of them are mothers between the ages of 25-40
They are typically married and overwhelmingly have a history of working in health & medical fields. It is less common than many think that they showed signs of having had Munchausen's (harming or feigning illness in themselves) before MBP. Ailitt (sp??) did. Letby doesn't appear to. Though I'm suspicious about that. She whined "Be careful I had knee surgery!" as they put her in the cop car. And daddy had driven 100 miles to look after her when she was released from hospital after that surgery. So maybe she did. No one has mentioned it and I recall the Beverley Ailtt trial very well. It was quite a prominent feature of that case. How many days for "being ill" she had off work & Uni.
I have deep suspicions that these stats aren't telling the whole story of Munchausen's tbh with you. I wonder how many more nurses and personal carers there are out there doing this not only to babies & children in their care but to the elderly and the disabled. Being better able to disguise their behaviours. Aided by having workplaces where lax regulation, lack of security and a culture of covering each others arses allow them to go undetected.
Every time a doctor or a nurse is caught killing patients we get "OMG how could anyone have ever dreamed a doctor/nurse could do such things!"
Ffs. These are just some of the more salacious cases since the year 2000.
Beverley Allitt
Elizabeth Wettlauffer (Canada)
Colin Campbell (Scotland)
Niels Hoegel (Germany)
Daniela Poggiali (Italy)
Charles Cullen who is interestingly enough, New Jersey's most prolific serial killer. I imagine that takes some doing.
Stephan Letter - (Germany)
Kimberley Saenz (US)
Kristen Gilbert (US) She killed disabled war veterans
Petr Zelenka (Poland)
Then there was the lesbian couple Cathy Wood & Gwendolyn Graham (US) a decade earlier who did private nursing & killed as a romantic adventure. Alzheimer's patients mostly. It was a real geriatric Hindley & Brady dynamic they had going on.
Should we not ask our health authorities to do a bit more due diligence on this? Some of these people have scores of over a hundred victims. They make Harold Shipman look positively under achieving.
We know that kiddie fiddlers seek professions which allow them to interact with their preferred target. Teaching, coaching, "Youth Pastors" bus driving etc.
Why would it be out of order to suggest that people with MPB seek out jobs in healthcare for similar motivations? Maybe there should be closer observation of what goes on in those wards. After all, we get observed fairly closely in Tesco. The technology exists.
EDIT:
Sorry I forgot to link the book all these stats on MPD came from. I'm a TC nutter in my spare time & this genre of killers fascinates me. Yes I own that book. In paperback.
I never claimed not to be a nutter - see above.
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HELPI recon she’ll do art therapiesdrawing and sketching and writing all over her cell walls
Specialist subject - Papier-mâchéI recon she’ll do art therapiesdrawing and sketching and writing all over her cell walls
NN = no name.Oh we’ve got his initials, didn’t realise! Is that from people who went to court? I’m pretty sure that’s close to identifying him so I’d be careful
*eyes suspiciously*Did she pay for her defence team? Presumably so? Just sitting here thinking if I were accused of a crime tomorrow I wouldn’t have the money to pay for a shithot KC like BM! (Obviously I haven’t committed a crime, just feel the need to clarify that)
NN = No Name = Dr ANN? Surely Dr A also knows?!
No we’ve always called him Dr Noname hence he’s Dr NN on here a lot of the time. Can sometimes be referred to as Dr Noballs, Dr Choccycock or Dr Cockingtoninthesummer.Oh we’ve got his initials, didn’t realise! Is that from people who went to court? I’m pretty sure that’s close to identifying him so I’d be careful
I can’t recall*eyes suspiciously*
Didn't you say you had kitten heels?
Aka Dr Choc aka The Milky Bar KidNo we’ve always called him Dr Noname hence he’s Dr NN on here a lot of the time. Can sometimes be referred to as Dr Noballs, Dr Choccycock or Dr Cockingtoninthesummer.
You forgot Curly WattsNo we’ve always called him Dr Noname hence he’s Dr NN on here a lot of the time. Can sometimes be referred to as Dr Noballs, Dr Choccycock or Dr Cockingtoninthesummer.
With a bit if origami to break the day up..."it" likes paper!!Specialist subject - Papier-mâché
My son loves origami. Gonna be giving him the side-eye for the rest of his life nowWith a bit if origami to break the day up..."it" likes paper!!
I think she was a nursing student then, I don’t think she ever worked at LWH in a paid capacity.What was her role at Liverpool womans, could it relate to the deaths there, so not on the unit at Chester?
Definitely keep your eyes on himMy son loves origami. Gonna be giving him the side-eye for the rest of his life now
Especially if he requests beige paper...Definitely keep your eyes on him
I honestly can't recall him being known as Dr A here, he set himself up for many monikers from the get goYou forgot Curly Watts
(Nearly typed Curly Wurly)
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