Lucy Letby Case #48

[TeaTimeTreats]

Do you reckon BM would trust her with his kids?

Good point… I certainly hope not. Also when they said I’m the evidence about the baby with the massively damaged liver. I mean what the hell did that witch do to him? Throw him on the floor or him? It’s all a hell of a lot to take in

 

[LittleMy]

Do you reckon BM would trust her with his kids?

Doubt it. Man doesn’t even think she’s innocent I bet. He’s not once called her innocent in his entire defence of her. He’s just doing his job, albeit annoying us in the process, the fool.

 

[docmum]

You were as lovely & sweet as usual - nothing to worry about there

p.s. I remember @docmum suggesting a clever hangover cure a few threads back, but I can't remember or find it, sorry.

dioralyte all day - but lucozade sport has similar benefits with the electrolytes Then some carbs followed by ibuprofen which helps with the pain but also helps you stay hydrated by-proxy.

love you @MmmB777 - it was a thread bonding moment last night so please own it! Haven’t had the equivalent of a drunk text for aaages

 

[LittleMy]

Good point… I certainly hope not. Also when they said I’m the evidence about the baby with the massively damaged liver. I mean what the hell did that witch do to him? Throw him on the floor or him? It’s all a hell of a lot to take in

I think she probably whacked him. If she threw him on the floor I’d expect she’d have killed him doing that or caused him serious physical injuries, maybe even head injuries that would’ve been obvious/consistent with an assault.

Makes me sick even thinking about it tbh.

 

[TeaTimeTreats]

I think she probably whacked him. If she threw him on the floor I’d expect she’d have killed him doing that or caused him serious physical injuries, maybe even head injuries that would’ve been obvious.

Makes me sick even thinking about it tbh.

She had so much hate towards them. And the fact she targeted twins and the triplets. I wonder also why she did that, pure jealousy or she wanted kids herself with DR NN and felt no one else deserved more than one baby. I try to think why did LL do these things, but I can’t really fathom it. I wonder if the jury have these sort of questions as well and that’s why it’s taking time.

 

[LittleMy]

She had so much hate towards them. And the fact she targeted twins and the triplets. I wonder also why she did that, pure jealousy or she wanted kids herself with DR NN and felt no one else deserved more than one baby. I try to think why did LL do these things, but I can’t really fathom it. I wonder if the jury have these sort of questions as well and that’s why it’s taking time.

I wish we knew. Because we aren’t wired like her we can’t even begin to fathom it. I find it both fascinating and horrifying in equal measures wondering what goes on in these monsters’ heads.

 

[Copacapybara]

She had so much hate towards them. And the fact she targeted twins and the triplets. I wonder also why she did that, pure jealousy or she wanted kids herself with DR NN and felt no one else deserved more than one baby. I try to think why did LL do these things, but I can’t really fathom it. I wonder if the jury have these sort of questions as well and that’s why it’s taking time.

I think she really disliked babies in general and resented the job, and seeing three at once ramped that sense of hatred up. She’s also a total narcissist so as well as being jealous of the babies attention in general she would have really hated the attention the triplets got. She does seem to have a lot of pent-up aggression too.

it is weird and horrible but seems to match what we’ve seen of her.

I wouldn’t rule out something against the parents too as she had treated them with contempt before (like that snide comment where she implied they were having sex in the parents’ bedroom). And telling the parent in the trial to speak up. Maybe some weird sense of ownership over the babies, but she also seems to be just plain horrible to everyone.

Possibly also wanted the praise and sympathy from Dr Noname.

But it’s also possible that she felt nothing at all and that it was a mindless compulsion. Her lack of emotion during the trial was very odd.

 

[nosycowmoo]

Omg I’m hoping they’ll be singing this again this week

 

[TeaTimeTreats]

I wish we knew. Because we aren’t wired like her we can’t even begin to fathom it. I find it both fascinating and horrifying in equal measures wondering what goes on in these monsters’ heads.

She is the poster girl for the phase “the banality of evil” she looked like the girl next door but underneath she was torturing these babies by ramming things down their throats and punching their livers so hard it was the same damage as a RTA. She didn’t just want to murder them she wanted to torture them too. She is a complete psycho.

 

[Miscanthus]

It's the attempted murder charges that will be taking the time, it's pretty hard to prove because they have to be sure she was intending to kill them, and not just doing a preliminary act for a future attempt, nor plainly assaulting them. There are no alternative charges to the attempted murders.

I'm hoping that some of the murders - particularly of Babies E, I and O - are very, very strong cases, enough that the jury can accept that she is a serial killer and therefore support granting justice for all the other murdered babies, and recognise all the attempted murders as such, rather than thinking they were just ABH or something lesser. (All the seven murder charges are pretty strong in their own right anyway, E, I and O are just the strongest IMO.)

With the air embolism attempted murders (babies B and M), if they believe the babies suffered an air embolism, it should be pretty straight forward to convict her, because the cuntess herself said she knew the ultimate result of air embolism is death. With the air/fluid in the NG tube (babies G and Q) if they convict her for the murders of babies C and I, this should also be straightforward, as this would prove her aim by doing this was to kill - especially Baby I, who she went after so many times. It would then be left to prove if she was the one who did it to Babies B, M, G and Q, which again ought be straightforward if they've already found her guilty of any other charge.

Being found guilty for babies G, M and Q is particularly important, as they have been left brain damaged, and this will allow the parents to sue, which should help provide for the care they will need throughout their lives. A guilty verdict for the attempted murder of Baby Q has an extra level of importance, as this will definitively mean that Karen Rees has to face consequences - after refusing to remove Lucy after Baby P, Karen Rees said she would take responsibility if anything happened, and it did.

I can't remember what Lucy said about the effects of insulin and whether she has admitted she knew it would be fatal. The only thing the judge said in his summing up with regards to Bowel Movement's attempts to muddy the waters about the amounts administered, was that the jury can accept the expert's evidence on the insulin as accurate. Therefore the jury have to accept that Baby L received double the amount of insulin as Baby F, suggesting that these were indeed murder attempts. However, the deceitful nurse who refused to admit hanging the same bag back on Baby F has confused things, and I hope this doesn't affect the jury, especially as the symptoms show he was administered insulin while Lucy was on shift.

Baby K is a very strong case, and BNE obviously agrees, as this was one of the cases he lead his closing speech with. They can either believe the constantly changing account of proven liar Lucy, or Dr Jayaram. They will also be considering the "dance the dance" exchange during cross (which I saw!) in which Lucy desperately tried to avoid admitting that a computer record proved she was right by the baby's cot just before the baby collapsed for the second time, due to her breathing tube being dislodged. During the second and third dislodgings, the baby was sedated.

This leaves babies H, J, and N, the ones where they don't really know what she actually did.

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For Baby H, if they find her guilty of the attempted murder of Baby K by dislodging the breathing tube, and they believe the prosecution's suggestion that Lucy may have dislodged the chest drains for Baby H, they might consider this a similar murder method.

Charge 1: Lucy was the designated nurse, with no other babies in the room. Basically the dad left about midnight, and nothing had happened beforehand. Despite this, Lucy had made several records from 10pm onwards suggesting the baby was desaturating and struggling. She is accused of feeding false information to Dr Ventress, to make Dr V record inaccurate information. These inaccurate records from Lucy and Dr V do not match other notes at the time, nor the dad's account that everything was uneventful before he left. He got home and was woken by a call to go back urgently, and arrived to find Lucy participating in the resus. Baby H was mottled. Dr Ventress recorded a chest drain was dislodged. Lucy recorded this whole event happening at 11:30pm, when it was actually after midnight.

Charge 2: Again after the dad left, he was recalled to the hospital as his baby had collapsed. Lucy had texted a friend saying that she was helping the designated nurse for Baby H, so "at least still involved but don't have the responsibility". Lucy was so involved with Baby H, that the doctor had wrongly believed she was the designated nurse. Lucy was also the one to alert this doctor to this collapse.

The circumstantial evidence is very strong that she definitely did "something" to Baby H, and I hope they consider that the desaturations are life-threatening enough to constitute attempted murder. The only way I could see them not considering it attempted murder is if they get caught up on not knowing what happened, or think that her involvement with resuscitating negates it being attempted murder. She was involved in resus for all the babies, including the murdered ones, and I think her repeatedly going after Baby I until she died shows that her intent for all these repeated collapses was indeed murder.


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The case that she did something to Baby J is decent, because she was the only person there in Room 2 during the unexplained seizures. I hope the jury also notice the dual twin link: Baby J was a surviving twin, and just before Baby J's seizures, premature twins had been admitted as an emergency in room 1. While I believe Lucy was frustrated at not being able to get her mitts on these twins, the prosecution just said this gave her a big opportunity as most of the other staff were dealing with the twins at that moment.

The jury might be debating for a long time over whatever she did to Baby J was attempted murder or just assault, because if, as suggested, smothering was the cause, she obviously stopped well before the baby was dead. (Personally, I actually think this baby survived an air embolism, because she had had the mottling in the earlier unexplained desaturations. People can sometimes survive air embolisms depending on where the air bubbles happen to travel within the circulatory system; how slowly the air is injected; and the quantity of air). The jury were told they don't need to figure out exactly what she did, but it's kind of important in this case in order to determine whether it was just ABH or attempted murder. I suppose finding her guilty of other attempted murders raises the chances she will be found guilty of this one, too. Supporting evidence is the making a fuss about the baby's stoma, like she did with Baby H's chest drains, and Baby N's haemophilia. Also she facebook stalked the parents, as per. But unfortunately I think there's a moderate chance she will be found not guilty on this one.

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For Baby N, there are three charges, for which they don't know exactly what she did, except that it was very painful. She had texted her colleagues she was going to google his haemophilia, and claimed he had a 50/50 chance of survival, which is not accurate. She later claimed in police interviews she didn't know he had haemophilia and has no independent memory of him. I'm hoping the prosecution has done enough to convict Lucy on at least one of these charges.

Charge 1: Everyone else is recorded as being busy, Lucy is not recorded as doing anything for 7 minutes at the time Baby N collapsed. Baby N's designated nurse had just left the vicinity, like in other cases where the designated nurse or parents had just left. The baby was "screaming" which medical evidence said was from an inflicted painful stimulus.

Charge 2: Lots of complex evidence and falsified nurse notes here. Basically she came into work early and he immediately desaturated. She claimed she didn't know which room she would have been in, but texts confirmed where she was. Baby N's dad said Lucy had phoned him, and he did not get the impression of how serious it was. A different nurse phoned him 10 minutes later, asking them to come in urgently. Despite this originally being agreed evidence, Lucy disputed the Dad's account under cross, saying she didn't recall phoning him (and threw her defense team under the bus in the process). Probably because she made a false nursing note, saying the parents didn't answer then another nurse phoned them later. Lucy messaged a friend claiming to have seen blood, which, if true, she failed to escalate, despite the baby having haemophilia. If not true, she was scene-setting for the baby's later collapse. Baby N was found to have a swollen and bleeding throat, and I personally believe she tried to recreate the catastrophic bleed she caused Baby E.

Charge 3: Again, very complex, but basically he collapsed immediately after his parents left, and his throat was so swollen and bloody they struggled to intubate. When the transport team arrived to take him to Alder Hey, Lucy was very agitated and asked who these people were. When all the doctors were in a huddle discuss the transfer, Baby N suddenly collapsed again, but they were able to resuscitate him.

Brilliant post, thank you for taking time to spell it out. I hope the jury has somebody like you among its members.

 

[OldBlondie]

Oi yeah and Richard gill you bleeping wick and all you not guiltily wankers. Blurgh. Come and say hi in a couple of weeks babes xxxxxx
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On. The everything babes. Xxx
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Tofino and have I got wool and old blondie I love you xxxx
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do love you all. Ava bella and Daisy and slingo. Alright you guys I do l think you’re Great and bloody here we are nearly a year later xxxxxx justice on its way. Fella. Della xxxxx sorry for when I was a fool and here we are xxxxxx sorry for all my essays xxxx
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@Tofino the way you think is incredible. I think we’re so in tune. Your wonderfu. Really. Xxx

docmum Your deserve the world xxxx
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Raspberry juice. I love you! Don’t laugh at me hahah oh sorry guys. What a bloody journey. I’m on a coach. I’m so drunk. Thanks xxxxx

I haven’t kept up with the thread, much as I love you all, the food talk isn’t for me sorry fellas. But I’m so happy I saw this post of yours as I was skimming through a few pages. Hahahahaha MmmmBop I hope you had a fabulous night last night. Think I can safely say we all love you too. It’s been crazy how many Similar thoughts we’ve both had on this thread. I wish we were all meeting up to celebrate the G verdict, that I really hope we will get tomorrow! Hope the hangover isn’t too bad today

 

[tinkertailorsoldierspy]

Love it when one of the most sensible members of this group gets wasted! Don't worry @MmmB777, everyone just felt the love

So this should be the week we get the verdict, fingers crossed.

 

[OldBlondie]

It's the attempted murder charges that will be taking the time, it's pretty hard to prove because they have to be sure she was intending to kill them, and not just doing a preliminary act for a future attempt, nor plainly assaulting them. There are no alternative charges to the attempted murders.

I'm hoping that some of the murders - particularly of Babies E, I and O - are very, very strong cases, enough that the jury can accept that she is a serial killer and therefore support granting justice for all the other murdered babies, and recognise all the attempted murders as such, rather than thinking they were just ABH or something lesser. (All the seven murder charges are pretty strong in their own right anyway, E, I and O are just the strongest IMO.)

With the air embolism attempted murders (babies B and M), if they believe the babies suffered an air embolism, it should be pretty straight forward to convict her, because the cuntess herself said she knew the ultimate result of air embolism is death. With the air/fluid in the NG tube (babies G and Q) if they convict her for the murders of babies C and I, this should also be straightforward, as this would prove her aim by doing this was to kill - especially Baby I, who she went after so many times. It would then be left to prove if she was the one who did it to Babies B, M, G and Q, which again ought be straightforward if they've already found her guilty of any other charge.

Being found guilty for babies G, M and Q is particularly important, as they have been left brain damaged, and this will allow the parents to sue, which should help provide for the care they will need throughout their lives. A guilty verdict for the attempted murder of Baby Q has an extra level of importance, as this will definitively mean that Karen Rees has to face consequences - after refusing to remove Lucy after Baby P, Karen Rees said she would take responsibility if anything happened, and it did.

I can't remember what Lucy said about the effects of insulin and whether she has admitted she knew it would be fatal. The only thing the judge said in his summing up with regards to Bowel Movement's attempts to muddy the waters about the amounts administered, was that the jury can accept the expert's evidence on the insulin as accurate. Therefore the jury have to accept that Baby L received double the amount of insulin as Baby F, suggesting that these were indeed murder attempts. However, the deceitful nurse who refused to admit hanging the same bag back on Baby F has confused things, and I hope this doesn't affect the jury, especially as the symptoms show he was administered insulin while Lucy was on shift.

Baby K is a very strong case, and BNE obviously agrees, as this was one of the cases he lead his closing speech with. They can either believe the constantly changing account of proven liar Lucy, or Dr Jayaram. They will also be considering the "dance the dance" exchange during cross (which I saw!) in which Lucy desperately tried to avoid admitting that a computer record proved she was right by the baby's cot just before the baby collapsed for the second time, due to her breathing tube being dislodged. During the second and third dislodgings, the baby was sedated.

This leaves babies H, J, and N, the ones where they don't really know what she actually did.

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For Baby H, if they find her guilty of the attempted murder of Baby K by dislodging the breathing tube, and they believe the prosecution's suggestion that Lucy may have dislodged the chest drains for Baby H, they might consider this a similar murder method.

Charge 1: Lucy was the designated nurse, with no other babies in the room. Basically the dad left about midnight, and nothing had happened beforehand. Despite this, Lucy had made several records from 10pm onwards suggesting the baby was desaturating and struggling. She is accused of feeding false information to Dr Ventress, to make Dr V record inaccurate information. These inaccurate records from Lucy and Dr V do not match other notes at the time, nor the dad's account that everything was uneventful before he left. He got home and was woken by a call to go back urgently, and arrived to find Lucy participating in the resus. Baby H was mottled. Dr Ventress recorded a chest drain was dislodged. Lucy recorded this whole event happening at 11:30pm, when it was actually after midnight.

Charge 2: Again after the dad left, he was recalled to the hospital as his baby had collapsed. Lucy had texted a friend saying that she was helping the designated nurse for Baby H, so "at least still involved but don't have the responsibility". Lucy was so involved with Baby H, that the doctor had wrongly believed she was the designated nurse. Lucy was also the one to alert this doctor to this collapse.

The circumstantial evidence is very strong that she definitely did "something" to Baby H, and I hope they consider that the desaturations are life-threatening enough to constitute attempted murder. The only way I could see them not considering it attempted murder is if they get caught up on not knowing what happened, or think that her involvement with resuscitating negates it being attempted murder. She was involved in resus for all the babies, including the murdered ones, and I think her repeatedly going after Baby I until she died shows that her intent for all these repeated collapses was indeed murder.


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The case that she did something to Baby J is decent, because she was the only person there in Room 2 during the unexplained seizures. I hope the jury also notice the dual twin link: Baby J was a surviving twin, and just before Baby J's seizures, premature twins had been admitted as an emergency in room 1. While I believe Lucy was frustrated at not being able to get her mitts on these twins, the prosecution just said this gave her a big opportunity as most of the other staff were dealing with the twins at that moment.

The jury might be debating for a long time over whatever she did to Baby J was attempted murder or just assault, because if, as suggested, smothering was the cause, she obviously stopped well before the baby was dead. (Personally, I actually think this baby survived an air embolism, because she had had the mottling in the earlier unexplained desaturations. People can sometimes survive air embolisms depending on where the air bubbles happen to travel within the circulatory system; how slowly the air is injected; and the quantity of air). The jury were told they don't need to figure out exactly what she did, but it's kind of important in this case in order to determine whether it was just ABH or attempted murder. I suppose finding her guilty of other attempted murders raises the chances she will be found guilty of this one, too. Supporting evidence is the making a fuss about the baby's stoma, like she did with Baby H's chest drains, and Baby N's haemophilia. Also she facebook stalked the parents, as per. But unfortunately I think there's a moderate chance she will be found not guilty on this one.

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For Baby N, there are three charges, for which they don't know exactly what she did, except that it was very painful. She had texted her colleagues she was going to google his haemophilia, and claimed he had a 50/50 chance of survival, which is not accurate. She later claimed in police interviews she didn't know he had haemophilia and has no independent memory of him. I'm hoping the prosecution has done enough to convict Lucy on at least one of these charges.

Charge 1: Everyone else is recorded as being busy, Lucy is not recorded as doing anything for 7 minutes at the time Baby N collapsed. Baby N's designated nurse had just left the vicinity, like in other cases where the designated nurse or parents had just left. The baby was "screaming" which medical evidence said was from an inflicted painful stimulus.

Charge 2: Lots of complex evidence and falsified nurse notes here. Basically she came into work early and he immediately desaturated. She claimed she didn't know which room she would have been in, but texts confirmed where she was. Baby N's dad said Lucy had phoned him, and he did not get the impression of how serious it was. A different nurse phoned him 10 minutes later, asking them to come in urgently. Despite this originally being agreed evidence, Lucy disputed the Dad's account under cross, saying she didn't recall phoning him (and threw her defense team under the bus in the process). Probably because she made a false nursing note, saying the parents didn't answer then another nurse phoned them later. Lucy messaged a friend claiming to have seen blood, which, if true, she failed to escalate, despite the baby having haemophilia. If not true, she was scene-setting for the baby's later collapse. Baby N was found to have a swollen and bleeding throat, and I personally believe she tried to recreate the catastrophic bleed she caused Baby E.

Charge 3: Again, very complex, but basically he collapsed immediately after his parents left, and his throat was so swollen and bloody they struggled to intubate. When the transport team arrived to take him to Alder Hey, Lucy was very agitated and asked who these people were. When all the doctors were in a huddle discuss the transfer, Baby N suddenly collapsed again, but they were able to resuscitate him.

Wow what a post! I wish I’d seen the dance the dance bit so I’m really envious. Your post makes complete sense and I hope that’s exactly what is going on. Really well thought/put

 

[sleeplessinwebland]

Think she got life with a minimum of 18 years, judge acknowledged with the Huntingtons she is likely to never make it out of prison.

Yes that’s it and can’t say I’m sad about it

 

[Calmyourtitsdown]

Just listened to Dan’s Irish Times interview… Really interesting! Firstly, nice to put a voice to the tweets from the last 9 months.. lovely soft scouse accent. Nice.
As others have said, though he didn’t explicitly say it, from his tone and mentions of particular evidence that were ‘uncomfortable’ to hear etc, he thinks she’s guilty… Dan’s one of us!
He can be forgiven for all his extended lunch breaks and afternoon siestas
Again, hearing it back even in a small dose such as that interview, only solidifies her guilt for me.

 

[OldBlondie]

No, I think that's Dr Stephen Brearey.

No Name is a bald weasel. (Yes I googled)

Right can someone that is a handwriting expert give me a clue here pls, I can’t see any other names than tigger, smudge, tiny boy, Bergerac and Karen Rees? @Tofino did you figure it out yet?

ps the new member that came up with Beigerac has had me crying every time I see it, I’m kinda disappointed tho that none of us managed to come up with something so funny ourselves
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Just listened to Dan’s Irish Times interview… Really interesting! Firstly, nice to put a voice to the tweets from the last 9 months.. lovely soft scouse accent. Nice.
As others have said, though he didn’t explicitly say it, from his tone and mentions of particular evidence that were ‘uncomfortable’ to hear etc, he thinks she’s guilty… Dan’s one of us!
He can be forgiven for all his extended lunch breaks and afternoon siestas
Again, hearing it back even in a small dose such as that interview, only solidifies her guilt for me.

Hey I’ve always been Dan’s number one fan. At one stage me and @Tofino were fighting each other over him

 

[gigilouxx]

I think she’s one of those narcs that: (like the mate I’ve mentioned)
1) thinks absolutely everyone is beneath her
2) takes jealousy personally

I remember an occasion with this person I knew, she was jealous of another girl to the extent she tried ruining her life, and I’m talking constantly reporting her to social services, phoning her work reporting her, making false reports on crime stoppers, she even rang the police once with a false report and ended up getting the poor girls house raided. People like this don’t get jealous in a normal way, they get obsessive and vengeful.
The person I knew started doing it with me, she had my door took off by the police the second I had her weighed up, that’s how they react. That’s where I think she’s lost it with the babies, nothing but a pure jealous narcissistic temper

2) The comments about other parents suspecting them of having sex, the doctor not washing their hands, prime example of how SHE is the only one who can do their job properly, how much better than everyone else she is, the conspiring 4 doctors hints that everyone’s jealous of her because in her warped narcissistic mind the not washing hands after a fag is worse than hurting babies

3) She needs constant attention and validation from the world, how many bleepin times has she got her pics in the papers for fundraising etc, the person I knew was the same, they needed the whole world to think of them as a kind, gentle, sweet person who everyone wrongs for no apparent reason, but if you ever touch on the fact they may be the problem, then you’ll see the real them. Obv I don’t know for certain but the similarities in what I’ve read about LL and the nasty little bleep I knew years ago are astonishing

 

[O'lee]

On the topic of Forgetby being a narc who thinks everyone is beneath her, I bet middle class, university educated Lucy utterly detested having her lies ripped apart in interview by police detectives, who are often from working class backgrounds and haven't been to uni.

I'm looking forward to the release of the interview footage where they drop the c-peptide bomb on her

 

[nosycowmoo]

I think she’s one of those narcs that: (like the mate I’ve mentioned)
1) thinks absolutely everyone is beneath her
2) takes jealousy personally

I remember an occasion with this person I knew, she was jealous of another girl to the extent she tried ruining her life, and I’m talking constantly reporting her to social services, phoning her work reporting her, making false reports on crime stoppers, she even rang the police once with a false report and ended up getting the poor girls house raided. People like this don’t get jealous in a normal way, they get obsessive and vengeful.
The person I knew started doing it with me, she had my door took off by the police the second I had her weighed up, that’s how they react. That’s where I think she’s lost it with the babies, nothing but a pure jealous narcissistic temper

2) The comments about other parents suspecting them of having sex, the doctor not washing their hands, prime example of how SHE is the only one who can do their job properly, how much better than everyone else she is, the conspiring 4 doctors hints that everyone’s jealous of her because in her warped narcissistic mind the not washing hands after a fag is worse than hurting babies

3) She needs constant attention and validation from the world, how many bleepin times has she got her pics in the papers for fundraising etc, the person I knew was the same, they needed the whole world to think of them as a kind, gentle, sweet person who everyone wrongs for no apparent reason, but if you ever touch on the fact they may be the problem, then you’ll see the real them. Obv I don’t know for certain but the similarities in what I’ve read about LL and the nasty little bleep I knew years ago are astonishing

The parents having sex wait what
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On the topic of Forgetby being a narc who thinks everyone is beneath her, I bet middle class, university educated Lucy utterly detested having her lies ripped apart in interview by police detectives, who are often from working class backgrounds and haven't been to uni.

I'm looking forward to the release of the interview footage where they drop the c-peptide bomb on her

I think the interviews will be very telling. You can tell she has a lot of respect for her mum and dad so is trying to hide her narky side. But I imagine it was out in full force in the interviews, I read somewhere she had taunted them over the insulin bags

 

[TeaTimeTreats]

The parents having sex wait what

Yes I wondered about that what was this all about? What in the hospital?