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MmmB777
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Oi yeah and Richard gill you fucking prick and all you not guiltily wankers. Blurgh. Come and say hi in a couple of weeks babes xxxxxx
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Tofino and have I got wool and old blondie I love you xxxx
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do love you all. Ava bella and Daisy and slingo. Alright you bastards I do l think you’re Great and bloody here we are nearly a year later xxxxxx justice on its way. Fella. Della xxxxx sorry for when I was a dick and here we are xxxxxx sorry for all my essays xxxx
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@Tofino the way you think is incredible. I think we’re so in tune. Your wonderfu. Really. Xxx
docmum Your deserve the world xxxx
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Raspberry juice. I love you! Don’t laugh at me hahah oh sorry guys. What a bloody journey. I’m on a coach. I’m so drunk. Thanks xxxxx
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On. The everything babes. XxxYou been on the wine my lovely
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Tofino and have I got wool and old blondie I love you xxxx
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do love you all. Ava bella and Daisy and slingo. Alright you bastards I do l think you’re Great and bloody here we are nearly a year later xxxxxx justice on its way. Fella. Della xxxxx sorry for when I was a dick and here we are xxxxxx sorry for all my essays xxxx
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@Tofino the way you think is incredible. I think we’re so in tune. Your wonderfu. Really. Xxx
docmum Your deserve the world xxxx
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Raspberry juice. I love you! Don’t laugh at me hahah oh sorry guys. What a bloody journey. I’m on a coach. I’m so drunk. Thanks xxxxx
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Cack_Conroe
Well-known member
It's the attempted murder charges that will be taking the time, it's pretty hard to prove because they have to be sure she was intending to kill them, and not just doing a preliminary act for a future attempt, nor plainly assaulting them. There are no alternative charges to the attempted murders.
I'm hoping that some of the murders - particularly of Babies E, I and O - are very, very strong cases, enough that the jury can accept that she is a serial killer and therefore support granting justice for all the other murdered babies, and recognise all the attempted murders as such, rather than thinking they were just ABH or something lesser. (All the seven murder charges are pretty strong in their own right anyway, E, I and O are just the strongest IMO.)
With the air embolism attempted murders (babies B and M), if they believe the babies suffered an air embolism, it should be pretty straight forward to convict her, because the cuntess herself said she knew the ultimate result of air embolism is death. With the air/fluid in the NG tube (babies G and Q) if they convict her for the murders of babies C and I, this should also be straightforward, as this would prove her aim by doing this was to kill - especially Baby I, who she went after so many times. It would then be left to prove if she was the one who did it to Babies B, M, G and Q, which again ought be straightforward if they've already found her guilty of any other charge.
Being found guilty for babies G, M and Q is particularly important, as they have been left brain damaged, and this will allow the parents to sue, which should help provide for the care they will need throughout their lives. A guilty verdict for the attempted murder of Baby Q has an extra level of importance, as this will definitively mean that Karen Rees has to face consequences - after refusing to remove Lucy after Baby P, Karen Rees said she would take responsibility if anything happened, and it did.
I can't remember what Lucy said about the effects of insulin and whether she has admitted she knew it would be fatal. The only thing the judge said in his summing up with regards to Bowel Movement's attempts to muddy the waters about the amounts administered, was that the jury can accept the expert's evidence on the insulin as accurate. Therefore the jury have to accept that Baby L received double the amount of insulin as Baby F, suggesting that these were indeed murder attempts. However, the deceitful nurse who refused to admit hanging the same bag back on Baby F has confused things, and I hope this doesn't affect the jury, especially as the symptoms show he was administered insulin while Lucy was on shift.
Baby K is a very strong case, and BNE obviously agrees, as this was one of the cases he lead his closing speech with. They can either believe the constantly changing account of proven liar Lucy, or Dr Jayaram. They will also be considering the "dance the dance" exchange during cross (which I saw!) in which Lucy desperately tried to avoid admitting that a computer record proved she was right by the baby's cot just before the baby collapsed for the second time, due to her breathing tube being dislodged. During the second and third dislodgings, the baby was sedated.
This leaves babies H, J, and N, the ones where they don't really know what she actually did.
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For Baby H, if they find her guilty of the attempted murder of Baby K by dislodging the breathing tube, and they believe the prosecution's suggestion that Lucy may have dislodged the chest drains for Baby H, they might consider this a similar murder method.
Charge 1: Lucy was the designated nurse, with no other babies in the room. Basically the dad left about midnight, and nothing had happened beforehand. Despite this, Lucy had made several records from 10pm onwards suggesting the baby was desaturating and struggling. She is accused of feeding false information to Dr Ventress, to make Dr V record inaccurate information. These inaccurate records from Lucy and Dr V do not match other notes at the time, nor the dad's account that everything was uneventful before he left. He got home and was woken by a call to go back urgently, and arrived to find Lucy participating in the resus. Baby H was mottled. Dr Ventress recorded a chest drain was dislodged. Lucy recorded this whole event happening at 11:30pm, when it was actually after midnight.
Charge 2: Again after the dad left, he was recalled to the hospital as his baby had collapsed. Lucy had texted a friend saying that she was helping the designated nurse for Baby H, so "at least still involved but don't have the responsibility". Lucy was so involved with Baby H, that the doctor had wrongly believed she was the designated nurse. Lucy was also the one to alert this doctor to this collapse.
The circumstantial evidence is very strong that she definitely did "something" to Baby H, and I hope they consider that the desaturations are life-threatening enough to constitute attempted murder. The only way I could see them not considering it attempted murder is if they get caught up on not knowing what happened, or think that her involvement with resuscitating negates it being attempted murder. She was involved in resus for all the babies, including the murdered ones, and I think her repeatedly going after Baby I until she died shows that her intent for all these repeated collapses was indeed murder.
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The case that she did something to Baby J is decent, because she was the only person there in Room 2 during the unexplained seizures. I hope the jury also notice the dual twin link: Baby J was a surviving twin, and just before Baby J's seizures, premature twins had been admitted as an emergency in room 1. While I believe Lucy was frustrated at not being able to get her mitts on these twins, the prosecution just said this gave her a big opportunity as most of the other staff were dealing with the twins at that moment.
The jury might be debating for a long time over whatever she did to Baby J was attempted murder or just assault, because if, as suggested, smothering was the cause, she obviously stopped well before the baby was dead. (Personally, I actually think this baby survived an air embolism, because she had had the mottling in the earlier unexplained desaturations. People can sometimes survive air embolisms depending on where the air bubbles happen to travel within the circulatory system; how slowly the air is injected; and the quantity of air). The jury were told they don't need to figure out exactly what she did, but it's kind of important in this case in order to determine whether it was just ABH or attempted murder. I suppose finding her guilty of other attempted murders raises the chances she will be found guilty of this one, too. Supporting evidence is the making a fuss about the baby's stoma, like she did with Baby H's chest drains, and Baby N's haemophilia. Also she facebook stalked the parents, as per. But unfortunately I think there's a moderate chance she will be found not guilty on this one.
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For Baby N, there are three charges, for which they don't know exactly what she did, except that it was very painful. She had texted her colleagues she was going to google his haemophilia, and claimed he had a 50/50 chance of survival, which is not accurate. She later claimed in police interviews she didn't know he had haemophilia and has no independent memory of him. I'm hoping the prosecution has done enough to convict Lucy on at least one of these charges.
Charge 1: Everyone else is recorded as being busy, Lucy is not recorded as doing anything for 7 minutes at the time Baby N collapsed. Baby N's designated nurse had just left the vicinity, like in other cases where the designated nurse or parents had just left. The baby was "screaming" which medical evidence said was from an inflicted painful stimulus.
Charge 2: Lots of complex evidence and falsified nurse notes here. Basically she came into work early and he immediately desaturated. She claimed she didn't know which room she would have been in, but texts confirmed where she was. Baby N's dad said Lucy had phoned him, and he did not get the impression of how serious it was. A different nurse phoned him 10 minutes later, asking them to come in urgently. Despite this originally being agreed evidence, Lucy disputed the Dad's account under cross, saying she didn't recall phoning him (and threw her defense team under the bus in the process). Probably because she made a false nursing note, saying the parents didn't answer then another nurse phoned them later. Lucy messaged a friend claiming to have seen blood, which, if true, she failed to escalate, despite the baby having haemophilia. If not true, she was scene-setting for the baby's later collapse. Baby N was found to have a swollen and bleeding throat, and I personally believe she tried to recreate the catastrophic bleed she caused Baby E.
Charge 3: Again, very complex, but basically he collapsed immediately after his parents left, and his throat was so swollen and bloody they struggled to intubate. When the transport team arrived to take him to Alder Hey, Lucy was very agitated and asked who these people were. When all the doctors were in a huddle discuss the transfer, Baby N suddenly collapsed again, but they were able to resuscitate him.
I'm hoping that some of the murders - particularly of Babies E, I and O - are very, very strong cases, enough that the jury can accept that she is a serial killer and therefore support granting justice for all the other murdered babies, and recognise all the attempted murders as such, rather than thinking they were just ABH or something lesser. (All the seven murder charges are pretty strong in their own right anyway, E, I and O are just the strongest IMO.)
With the air embolism attempted murders (babies B and M), if they believe the babies suffered an air embolism, it should be pretty straight forward to convict her, because the cuntess herself said she knew the ultimate result of air embolism is death. With the air/fluid in the NG tube (babies G and Q) if they convict her for the murders of babies C and I, this should also be straightforward, as this would prove her aim by doing this was to kill - especially Baby I, who she went after so many times. It would then be left to prove if she was the one who did it to Babies B, M, G and Q, which again ought be straightforward if they've already found her guilty of any other charge.
Being found guilty for babies G, M and Q is particularly important, as they have been left brain damaged, and this will allow the parents to sue, which should help provide for the care they will need throughout their lives. A guilty verdict for the attempted murder of Baby Q has an extra level of importance, as this will definitively mean that Karen Rees has to face consequences - after refusing to remove Lucy after Baby P, Karen Rees said she would take responsibility if anything happened, and it did.
I can't remember what Lucy said about the effects of insulin and whether she has admitted she knew it would be fatal. The only thing the judge said in his summing up with regards to Bowel Movement's attempts to muddy the waters about the amounts administered, was that the jury can accept the expert's evidence on the insulin as accurate. Therefore the jury have to accept that Baby L received double the amount of insulin as Baby F, suggesting that these were indeed murder attempts. However, the deceitful nurse who refused to admit hanging the same bag back on Baby F has confused things, and I hope this doesn't affect the jury, especially as the symptoms show he was administered insulin while Lucy was on shift.
Baby K is a very strong case, and BNE obviously agrees, as this was one of the cases he lead his closing speech with. They can either believe the constantly changing account of proven liar Lucy, or Dr Jayaram. They will also be considering the "dance the dance" exchange during cross (which I saw!) in which Lucy desperately tried to avoid admitting that a computer record proved she was right by the baby's cot just before the baby collapsed for the second time, due to her breathing tube being dislodged. During the second and third dislodgings, the baby was sedated.
This leaves babies H, J, and N, the ones where they don't really know what she actually did.
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For Baby H, if they find her guilty of the attempted murder of Baby K by dislodging the breathing tube, and they believe the prosecution's suggestion that Lucy may have dislodged the chest drains for Baby H, they might consider this a similar murder method.
Charge 1: Lucy was the designated nurse, with no other babies in the room. Basically the dad left about midnight, and nothing had happened beforehand. Despite this, Lucy had made several records from 10pm onwards suggesting the baby was desaturating and struggling. She is accused of feeding false information to Dr Ventress, to make Dr V record inaccurate information. These inaccurate records from Lucy and Dr V do not match other notes at the time, nor the dad's account that everything was uneventful before he left. He got home and was woken by a call to go back urgently, and arrived to find Lucy participating in the resus. Baby H was mottled. Dr Ventress recorded a chest drain was dislodged. Lucy recorded this whole event happening at 11:30pm, when it was actually after midnight.
Charge 2: Again after the dad left, he was recalled to the hospital as his baby had collapsed. Lucy had texted a friend saying that she was helping the designated nurse for Baby H, so "at least still involved but don't have the responsibility". Lucy was so involved with Baby H, that the doctor had wrongly believed she was the designated nurse. Lucy was also the one to alert this doctor to this collapse.
The circumstantial evidence is very strong that she definitely did "something" to Baby H, and I hope they consider that the desaturations are life-threatening enough to constitute attempted murder. The only way I could see them not considering it attempted murder is if they get caught up on not knowing what happened, or think that her involvement with resuscitating negates it being attempted murder. She was involved in resus for all the babies, including the murdered ones, and I think her repeatedly going after Baby I until she died shows that her intent for all these repeated collapses was indeed murder.
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The case that she did something to Baby J is decent, because she was the only person there in Room 2 during the unexplained seizures. I hope the jury also notice the dual twin link: Baby J was a surviving twin, and just before Baby J's seizures, premature twins had been admitted as an emergency in room 1. While I believe Lucy was frustrated at not being able to get her mitts on these twins, the prosecution just said this gave her a big opportunity as most of the other staff were dealing with the twins at that moment.
The jury might be debating for a long time over whatever she did to Baby J was attempted murder or just assault, because if, as suggested, smothering was the cause, she obviously stopped well before the baby was dead. (Personally, I actually think this baby survived an air embolism, because she had had the mottling in the earlier unexplained desaturations. People can sometimes survive air embolisms depending on where the air bubbles happen to travel within the circulatory system; how slowly the air is injected; and the quantity of air). The jury were told they don't need to figure out exactly what she did, but it's kind of important in this case in order to determine whether it was just ABH or attempted murder. I suppose finding her guilty of other attempted murders raises the chances she will be found guilty of this one, too. Supporting evidence is the making a fuss about the baby's stoma, like she did with Baby H's chest drains, and Baby N's haemophilia. Also she facebook stalked the parents, as per. But unfortunately I think there's a moderate chance she will be found not guilty on this one.
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For Baby N, there are three charges, for which they don't know exactly what she did, except that it was very painful. She had texted her colleagues she was going to google his haemophilia, and claimed he had a 50/50 chance of survival, which is not accurate. She later claimed in police interviews she didn't know he had haemophilia and has no independent memory of him. I'm hoping the prosecution has done enough to convict Lucy on at least one of these charges.
Charge 1: Everyone else is recorded as being busy, Lucy is not recorded as doing anything for 7 minutes at the time Baby N collapsed. Baby N's designated nurse had just left the vicinity, like in other cases where the designated nurse or parents had just left. The baby was "screaming" which medical evidence said was from an inflicted painful stimulus.
Charge 2: Lots of complex evidence and falsified nurse notes here. Basically she came into work early and he immediately desaturated. She claimed she didn't know which room she would have been in, but texts confirmed where she was. Baby N's dad said Lucy had phoned him, and he did not get the impression of how serious it was. A different nurse phoned him 10 minutes later, asking them to come in urgently. Despite this originally being agreed evidence, Lucy disputed the Dad's account under cross, saying she didn't recall phoning him (and threw her defense team under the bus in the process). Probably because she made a false nursing note, saying the parents didn't answer then another nurse phoned them later. Lucy messaged a friend claiming to have seen blood, which, if true, she failed to escalate, despite the baby having haemophilia. If not true, she was scene-setting for the baby's later collapse. Baby N was found to have a swollen and bleeding throat, and I personally believe she tried to recreate the catastrophic bleed she caused Baby E.
Charge 3: Again, very complex, but basically he collapsed immediately after his parents left, and his throat was so swollen and bloody they struggled to intubate. When the transport team arrived to take him to Alder Hey, Lucy was very agitated and asked who these people were. When all the doctors were in a huddle discuss the transfer, Baby N suddenly collapsed again, but they were able to resuscitate him.
blueyfan3684
VIP Member
Think we should do a Tattler style awards ceremony
My nominations are:
Funniest Tattlers: @DellaC @Lucyxxxx @gigilouxx @MmmB777 @LittleMy
Nicest Tattlers: @docmum @yellowmellow
@Caledonianprincess
Biggest character development: @slingo16
Most dedicated Tattlers: @Tofino
@FuckWit @Futtrit
Most famous: @Tofino
Best Tattler reporter: @nosycowmoo @tay65
Most knowledgeable: @LilyRose1234 @Cack_Conroe @Copacapybara
Kindest: @Lucyxxxx
Best Scientist:@RichardGill @Deeznutslol
Most likely to win an Oscar @LeanneCooper
Most likely to be Letby in disguise: @lucillem22
Most likely to own a dildo: ??
Most likely to end up in jail: ??
Sorry if I forgot you,I couldn’t recall
My nominations are:
Funniest Tattlers: @DellaC @Lucyxxxx @gigilouxx @MmmB777 @LittleMy
Nicest Tattlers: @docmum @yellowmellow
@Caledonianprincess
Biggest character development: @slingo16
Most dedicated Tattlers: @Tofino
Most famous: @Tofino
Best Tattler reporter: @nosycowmoo @tay65
Most knowledgeable: @LilyRose1234 @Cack_Conroe @Copacapybara
Kindest: @Lucyxxxx
Best Scientist:
Most likely to win an Oscar @LeanneCooper
Most likely to be Letby in disguise: @lucillem22
Most likely to own a dildo: ??
Most likely to end up in jail: ??
Sorry if I forgot you,
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Copacapybara
VIP Member
There was a young bint from the borderOk - next up to save us all from chewing the furniture while we await the verdict …how about composinglimericks
Who said she’s a bit of a hoarder
Her decor was bland
She lied on the stand
So was gifted her own whole life order.
followthedolphin
Well-known member
Nine months of our lives on this thread
Now reduced to debating about bread
It would be speedier
If the jury use Tof’s Wikipedia
And then we can all go to bed
Now reduced to debating about bread
It would be speedier
If the jury use Tof’s Wikipedia
And then we can all go to bed
DellaC
VIP Member
So, just me and my little sunbeam this weekend. I can't remember a time when it's just been us for so long 
I've bought all his favourite food and planned to do all his favourite things including a Friday night disco. The little shit signed NO and has gone to his bedroom, closed his floor and is on his IPad. Bless him he's always exhausted on a Friday so I'll let him off.
A disco for 1 then
I've bought all his favourite food and planned to do all his favourite things including a Friday night disco. The little shit signed NO and has gone to his bedroom, closed his floor and is on his IPad. Bless him he's always exhausted on a Friday so I'll let him off. A disco for 1 then
MmmB777
VIP Member
biscuitthief
Chatty Member
Jurors have been sent home. Back Monday.
yellowmellow
VIP Member
Shouldn’t but would… Huw Edwards after seeing that peach 
FastAndTheCurious7
VIP Member
There once was a nurse Lucy Letby
Who cried “they’re all out to get me”
She was a murderous knob
Who was shit at her job
And will forever be known at Forgetby
Who cried “they’re all out to get me”
She was a murderous knob
Who was shit at her job
And will forever be known at Forgetby
followthedolphin
Well-known member
I’m a plumber from the Countess
I’m called in to sort out the mess
I was called to the stand
With my plunger 🪠 in hand
But my evidence failed to impress ( the tattlers)
I’m called in to sort out the mess
I was called to the stand
With my plunger 🪠 in hand
But my evidence failed to impress ( the tattlers)
KatieMorag
Well-known member
The sensible men all fled her
But noname wanted to bed her
She had fun in the shower
Robocock on full power
And sometimes would sit on her shredder*
*Which she does not recall having.
But noname wanted to bed her
She had fun in the shower
Robocock on full power
And sometimes would sit on her shredder*
*Which she does not recall having.
cherrycake
Member
Wee bit late, but here's my poem.
Lucky she is not
Unboxed shredder she forgot
Collects paper, quite a lot
Yet ole Dicky finds her hot
Little did she know
Everything was about to go
Tits up, much to her woe
Big Nick was about to show
You mercy? Ha ha no!
Now set it to music and it can be the theme for the inevitable TV dramatisation.
Lucky she is not
Unboxed shredder she forgot
Collects paper, quite a lot
Yet ole Dicky finds her hot
Little did she know
Everything was about to go
Tits up, much to her woe
Big Nick was about to show
You mercy? Ha ha no!
Now set it to music and it can be the theme for the inevitable TV dramatisation.
DellaC
VIP Member
I think the cemetery is the exact reason a young single 25 year old serial killer bought a 3 bedroom family home, it's not a coincidence. It probably turned her on.
But I can see why it wasn't mentioned in court because its not evidence of anything other than her being a creepy little fucker
But I can see why it wasn't mentioned in court because its not evidence of anything other than her being a creepy little fucker
DianaBanana
VIP Member
Jesus Christ, I have one office day and g on e back to 30 pages to catch up on. It’s going to be fucking chaos here when we get a verdict!
Oh and I like my meal deals like I like my men. Different every week.
Oh and I like my meal deals like I like my men. Different every week.