Lucy Letby Case #48

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Her shoes scream dodgy twit to me
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And those following what’s known as ‘the tiktok trial’ what’s your thoughts? Joint enterprise murder for them all?
 
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I think they are likely to have reached that stage or very close. Agreement on some charges but will take a while longer on some of the others. I can even see unanimous on some charges and a majority on others. Be really interesting to see how it is handled by the judge, wonder if he will ask if they have agreement on any of the charges and then say he will accept majority on the rest, and whether we will ever know which were unanimous and which were majority. There may even be some hung charges but wouldn’t make the whole thing hung.
I’m in a different jurisdiction and we also accept majority verdicts right of the bat but in any trials I’ve been in the jury have been asked if the verdict is unanimous or by majority on each charge.

Haven’t been in that line of work or sat in on a jury trial since about 2017 though so could have changed since then and not sure if that was ever the done thing in England & Wales!
 
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Does anyone watch ChelseaLeeArt on tiktok? Her life is a car crash and this is literally her excuse every time she verbally abuses some poor random member of the public 😭😭. She just goes “I’VE GOT BIPOLAR SWEETHEART”!!!
I see clips come up when she does something particularly nuts 😭 AM FAMOUS AM BEING TROWLLLLLLED
 
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It looks like someone pretending to smile really intensely but way overdoing it. A sort of weird uncanny insincerity that’s almost convincing but not. It does look highly creepy but then again I have a lot of photos that make me look like a crazed assassin too…
I think she’s like that in most of the photos I’ve seen. She looks like a caricature, as you said- creepy. A. F.
 
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Just listened to Dan’s Irish Times interview (sorry can’t find the post to quote) - really like his voice 😍
 
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omg I have dockid doing a concert assembly thing at 2 today so same… it’ll be this afternoon now for sure.

ah well. There’ll be plenty of people around, I won’t be missed among all the drama (in the assembly, I’m not missing tattle if it goes off 😂)
Aw some people say the same to me, I don’t think anyone needs to understand why people want to go. Personally I’ve looked after so many babies and children I couldn’t get my head around instead of caring for babies, someone would harm them and I just needed to see for myself and then it’s so hard to walk away from you get invested don’t you! My little boy was looked after by nicu staff and I just can’t even imagine, you put your most prized possessions in their hands never does it cross your mind that they could not have their best interests at heart, let alone hurt them! I occasionally sat at your side, but I just can’t see the screen at all I think I need 👓 ahh tell her I said Thankyou 🥰🥰 how lovely to say. Oh I needed it I found that morning really upsetting.
Woke up early so made a cup of tea and kitkat and catching up on the thread. You do get very invested in it as have most people on Tattle following this thread. We've just been fortunate that because of the location of the trial we've been able to attend quite easily. Effing travelled 5 hours so that is really impressive and I remember someone mentioning that someone had travelled from Brighton. We spoke to a doctor who came up from the south. Two of of the babies had the same names as my friends children (who are in their 30's) which struck a chord with her when their names were mentioned. Monday felt a very different atmosphere maybe because the trial was reaching a new stage. There seemed to be so many more people in the corridor going backwards and forwards and legal people wearing wigs. It seemed like the end was near and the verdict would soon be known but here we are on Saturday with no verdict yet. It has been proven that deliberate harm has been done to those babies so how can anything but a guilty verdict be reached. Other staff weren't present at all of the events unless there were numerous murderers so it should be quite straightforward really. If the jury think in the way that most sensible people do they'll do the right thing find her guilty and bring closure to all the families and hopefully this will be as soon as.
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It means that all twelve jurors can't agree. Whether it's a unanimous or majority verdict required, and they still can't get there, no matter how long they were to deliberate for, they basically "hang" the jury. In a nutshell, they are deadlocked and cannot reach agreement.

And no, given the amount and complexity of the evidence and charges, this is not a long time to have been deliberating so far in my opinion.
If it was a hung jury what would happen next.
 
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can someone please explain who this 🔔 end is? I’m so confused.
Sorry Prings - it’s a bloke on Twitter Richard Gill who is off his trolley! Search his name and Lucy Letby and his profile will come up and you’ll see the utter rubbish he’s coming out with. The other day he even “joked” he wanted to go into the court with an AK47.

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edit: the above bit was actually his LinkedIn- even worse lol.
 
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Woke up early so made a cup of tea and kitkat and catching up on the thread. You do get very invested in it as have most people on Tattle following this thread. We've just been fortunate that because of the location of the trial we've been able to attend quite easily. Effing travelled 5 hours so that is really impressive and I remember someone mentioning that someone had travelled from Brighton. We spoke to a doctor who came up from the south. Two of of the babies had the same names as my friends children (who are in their 30's) which struck a chord with her when their names were mentioned. Monday felt a very different atmosphere maybe because the trial was reaching a new stage. There seemed to be so many more people in the corridor going backwards and forwards and legal people wearing wigs. It seemed like the end was near and the verdict would soon be known but here we are on Saturday with no verdict yet. It has been proven that deliberate harm has been done to those babies so how can anything but a guilty verdict be reached. Other staff weren't present at all of the events unless there were numerous murderers so it should be quite straightforward really. If the jury think in the way that most sensible people do they'll do the right thing find her guilty and bring closure to all the families and hopefully this will be as soon as.
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If it was a hung jury what would happen next.
The prosecution would decide whether to set a retrial.

I'm not surprised by the wait - it's such a complex case. Even if they all agree then they might be wanting to go through it all to be sure.
 
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The prosecution would decide whether to set a retrial.

I'm not surprised by the wait - it's such a complex case. Even if they all agree then they might be wanting to go through it all to be sure.
Maybe we just need a little patience and eventually the jury will all agree on guilty verdicts.
 
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Maybe we just need a little patience and eventually the jury will all agree on guilty verdicts.
Agreed.
Forgot to say that early morning is absolutely when kitkats are at their best...enjoy! When I stayed at my Nan's house she used to "secretly" supply us with kitkats in bed 😂
 
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So Letby’s biggest cheerleaders are
fool Gill who’s now confirmed he’s in a manic phase
The Green Goblin who thinks it was the swastika garden and R Kelly
James off Facebook who says he goes every day but has never been spotted and just rehashes a “neutral” opinion about the prosecution being ‘useless’ from the Chester write up
Janet from work who is definitely probably an “it’s all the drama Mick I just love it” type
And her own parents.

No wonder BM said several times he’s the only one prepared to defend her 🫠
 
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can someone please explain who this 🔔 end is? I’m so confused.
Believe it or not he’s actually a well respected statistician who was (partially - he does like to over exagerarte his role in this) responsible for getting Lucia de Berk’s conviction over turned. She was a nurse who was convicted of similar crimes to Lucy Letby. He also got another Italian nurse who had been accused of murdering her patients exonerated too, and has since developed a bit of a weird obsession with LL, if she’s convicted, he wants to be the one to do her appeal and get her off.
 
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Just started listening to an update on the Delphi murders and the opening snippet made me think of a certain other person-

"There's lots of circumstantial evidence that all points to the guy in the dock and no-one else -is he just the unluckiest man in the world that all these series of coincidences rule him in rather than out?"

There's comes a point where circumstantial evidence is just as reliable as forensic evidence (imo).
 
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Believe it or not he’s actually a well respected statistician who was (partially - he does like to over exagerarte his role in this) responsible for getting Lucia de Berk’s conviction over turned. She was a nurse who was convicted of similar crimes to Lucy Letby. He also got another Italian nurse who had been accused of murdering her patients exonerated too, and has since developed a bit of a weird obsession with LL, if she’s convicted, he wants to be the one to do her appeal and get her off.
In the De Berk case did it turn out to be anyone else? Trier looking on Wikipedia but it was so wordy my brain flew away 🙈
 
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Agreed.
Forgot to say that early morning is absolutely when kitkats are at their best...enjoy! When I stayed at my Nan's house she used to "secretly" supply us with kitkats in bed 😂
Did you know the filling of kit kats is partly made up of reworked kit kats that can't be sold. They are mashed into mush and made into new kit kats
 
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Woke up early so made a cup of tea and kitkat and catching up on the thread. You do get very invested in it as have most people on Tattle following this thread. We've just been fortunate that because of the location of the trial we've been able to attend quite easily. Effing travelled 5 hours so that is really impressive and I remember someone mentioning that someone had travelled from Brighton. We spoke to a doctor who came up from the south. Two of of the babies had the same names as my friends children (who are in their 30's) which struck a chord with her when their names were mentioned. Monday felt a very different atmosphere maybe because the trial was reaching a new stage. There seemed to be so many more people in the corridor going backwards and forwards and legal people wearing wigs. It seemed like the end was near and the verdict would soon be known but here we are on Saturday with no verdict yet. It has been proven that deliberate harm has been done to those babies so how can anything but a guilty verdict be reached. Other staff weren't present at all of the events unless there were numerous murderers so it should be quite straightforward really. If the jury think in the way that most sensible people do they'll do the right thing find her guilty and bring closure to all the families and hopefully this will be as soon as.
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If it was a hung jury what would happen next.
Honestly I thought the same i really thought everyone would be surprised and it would be a super quick Verdict, instead… nothing… I just have this strange feeling that they aren’t all agreeing. It said the jury was 8 women and 4 men. Now if you look over on fb, there’s a high percentage of men who think she’s innocent, perhaps it’s them, I guess we’ll never know but I did think it would be yesterday, to get an answer for everyone so they can take it all in over the weekend…
 
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