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oh god I can’t see him finishing by end of day Thursday.
No court on Friday, I can't see how the judge will finish by the end of Thursday if we've only got to baby C today...I wonder if the deliberations will start on Monday as planned. I hope so, we're so close now.
3:27pm
Dr Gibbs said efforts to intubate were unsuccessful due to swollen vocal cords.
Sophie Ellis said she got upset at the situation, after Child C's mother arrived, as it was "overwhelming" and she had not been in that kind of situation before.
Lucy Letby said to her: "Do you want me to take over?"
Sophie Ellis said yes, left room 1 for a short break, then went to look after babies in room 2.
Dr Katherine Davis said "even the smallest, sickest babies" would respond to resuscitation, but Child C did not.
Dr Gibbs said he could not find anything that would allow to restart long after resuscitation had stopped, and could not understand that from a natural disease process.
The mother said, in an agreed statement, she recalled CPR being performed on Child C, and the heart rate had fallen unexpectedly and rapidly.
She says she did not grasp the gravity of the situation and was shocked when asked by a nurse if she wanted a priest.
She asked if Child C was going to die - the nurse, described to be in her mid 20s, replied "Yes, I think so".
The father of Child C said a nurse, who he later believed to be Letby [based on her picture appearing in the newspaper] had said to the parents in the family room 'you've said your goodbyes now, do you want to put him in here?', referring to a basket for Child C.
He said Child C's mother said "He's not dead yet", and the nurse then backtracked.
Letby had accepted she had made searches for Child C's parents on Facebook 10 hours after, but could not remember doing so, or why.
She questioned whether she was the nurse who said the 'you've said your goodbyes...' comment, and did not recall saying it.
She said she was very sad for the parents.
In evidence, she said she did not recall any specific contact with the parents.
She said the search for the parents were as they were 'very much on her mind' at that time, as 'you don't forget' events like those which had happened to Child C.
Dr Gibbs said efforts to intubate were unsuccessful due to swollen vocal cords.
Sophie Ellis said she got upset at the situation, after Child C's mother arrived, as it was "overwhelming" and she had not been in that kind of situation before.
Lucy Letby said to her: "Do you want me to take over?"
Sophie Ellis said yes, left room 1 for a short break, then went to look after babies in room 2.
Dr Katherine Davis said "even the smallest, sickest babies" would respond to resuscitation, but Child C did not.
Dr Gibbs said he could not find anything that would allow to restart long after resuscitation had stopped, and could not understand that from a natural disease process.
The mother said, in an agreed statement, she recalled CPR being performed on Child C, and the heart rate had fallen unexpectedly and rapidly.
She says she did not grasp the gravity of the situation and was shocked when asked by a nurse if she wanted a priest.
She asked if Child C was going to die - the nurse, described to be in her mid 20s, replied "Yes, I think so".
The father of Child C said a nurse, who he later believed to be Letby [based on her picture appearing in the newspaper] had said to the parents in the family room 'you've said your goodbyes now, do you want to put him in here?', referring to a basket for Child C.
He said Child C's mother said "He's not dead yet", and the nurse then backtracked.
Letby had accepted she had made searches for Child C's parents on Facebook 10 hours after, but could not remember doing so, or why.
She questioned whether she was the nurse who said the 'you've said your goodbyes...' comment, and did not recall saying it.
She said she was very sad for the parents.
In evidence, she said she did not recall any specific contact with the parents.
She said the search for the parents were as they were 'very much on her mind' at that time, as 'you don't forget' events like those which had happened to Child C.
I agree I bet his speech goes into next week. Do you think he's reading his speech or has he memorised it?
3:35pm
The nursing colleague recalled asking Letby "more than once" to look after her designated babies that night, and it was not part of her responsibilities to be in the family room, as that was for Melanie Taylor.
Dr George Kokai carried out a post-mortem examination for Child C.
He noted a distended colon, which Dr Marnerides said was "not an abnormality".
He said the potential complication was a twisted colon that would lead to "obvious" symptoms of pain.
There was evidence of "acute pneumonia".
Dr Marnerides said one could die of pneumonia or with penumonia.
He said the former was plausible, but upon hearing further clinical evidence, he reviewed his opinion.
He said babies dying of penumonia experience gradual deterioration, which was not the case here.
He said he revisited the cause of death, viewing images of a distended stomach, and no evidence of NEC.
Prof Arthurs said the small bowel was dilated.
Dr Marnerides observed a dilated stomach and bowel, and noted Child C had been off CPAP for over 12 hours.
No air had been obtained from aspirates before the collapse.
He had never known CPAP belly being the cause of an arrest in a baby in his years of experience.
He said, in his opinion, the cause of Child C's collapse was of excessive air administered into the stomach via the naso-gastric tube.
The nursing colleague recalled asking Letby "more than once" to look after her designated babies that night, and it was not part of her responsibilities to be in the family room, as that was for Melanie Taylor.
Dr George Kokai carried out a post-mortem examination for Child C.
He noted a distended colon, which Dr Marnerides said was "not an abnormality".
He said the potential complication was a twisted colon that would lead to "obvious" symptoms of pain.
There was evidence of "acute pneumonia".
Dr Marnerides said one could die of pneumonia or with penumonia.
He said the former was plausible, but upon hearing further clinical evidence, he reviewed his opinion.
He said babies dying of penumonia experience gradual deterioration, which was not the case here.
He said he revisited the cause of death, viewing images of a distended stomach, and no evidence of NEC.
Prof Arthurs said the small bowel was dilated.
Dr Marnerides observed a dilated stomach and bowel, and noted Child C had been off CPAP for over 12 hours.
No air had been obtained from aspirates before the collapse.
He had never known CPAP belly being the cause of an arrest in a baby in his years of experience.
He said, in his opinion, the cause of Child C's collapse was of excessive air administered into the stomach via the naso-gastric tube.
I deffo think whatever happened at the women’s was either the trigger or the catalyst for what LL went on to do. Think it’s highly significant too, and wasn’t the pristine note the police search found from this time too? That’s why it’s even more ridiculous that in police interview for A she said she’s no knowledge of air embolism, yet she’d literally just completed her iv line training!
I also hardly followed along last week for same reasons, so glad Matt Goss has brought it all back round again. No doubt whatsoever she’ll be found guilty unanimously and all counts. I don’t think deliberations will last the whole week either.
Special shout-out to whoever the poster was on the last thread for “cursed Orville” havent stopped laughing at that. And ofc massive congratulations to our very own Lucy
If only there was a camera on her phone that she had on her at all times texting during shifts... oh wait!So Letby herself said she was the one asked to get the camera? I must’ve missed this part. Convenient for her that the rash had gone by the time she found it and brought it to them.
3:44pm
The judge says Dr Evans said the pneumonia infection did not cause Child C's collapse.
The cause was "difficult to explain".
Initially, he said it was unexplained.
He said excessive air in the stomach can cause 'splinting of the diaphragm'.
The judge he had not given that conclusion before giving evidence, and it was not advanced in his eight reports.
Dr Evans denied he was 'coming up with things now to support an allegation of harm'.
Dr Evans said from an academic point of view, air embolus could not be excluded.
The judge says Mr Myers was critical of this late conclusion.
Dr Bohin had said her conclusion of the 'bubble in the stomach' was if the NGT was not on free drainage, then it could have been accumulation of gas by CPAP.
The alternative was the deliberate administration of air via the NGT.
She said Child C died with pneumonia, but not because of pneumonia, and that would have made Child C less responsive to resuscitation.
In reaction to questions about bowel obstructions, she said Child C would have had a distended abdomen, and normal bowel sounds would not have been heard.
The judge said Dr Bohin had added: "There were no clinical indicators of obstruction".
The judge says Dr Evans said the pneumonia infection did not cause Child C's collapse.
The cause was "difficult to explain".
Initially, he said it was unexplained.
He said excessive air in the stomach can cause 'splinting of the diaphragm'.
The judge he had not given that conclusion before giving evidence, and it was not advanced in his eight reports.
Dr Evans denied he was 'coming up with things now to support an allegation of harm'.
Dr Evans said from an academic point of view, air embolus could not be excluded.
The judge says Mr Myers was critical of this late conclusion.
Dr Bohin had said her conclusion of the 'bubble in the stomach' was if the NGT was not on free drainage, then it could have been accumulation of gas by CPAP.
The alternative was the deliberate administration of air via the NGT.
She said Child C died with pneumonia, but not because of pneumonia, and that would have made Child C less responsive to resuscitation.
In reaction to questions about bowel obstructions, she said Child C would have had a distended abdomen, and normal bowel sounds would not have been heard.
The judge said Dr Bohin had added: "There were no clinical indicators of obstruction".
How are things @Caledonianprincess
So do you believe all the medical experts opinions, witnesses who are also medical experts and parents or that of a lier (LL) and a storyteller guessing at what he alone thought could have happened BM)?
I found it so hard at the beginning looking at each case but in it's totality and going back over these earlier cases it is clear what happened. I think people are struggling with how it could have got to so many babies without LL being caught and her supposed lack of prior issues.
Thanks @Futtrit for these updates!
I found it so hard at the beginning looking at each case but in it's totality and going back over these earlier cases it is clear what happened. I think people are struggling with how it could have got to so many babies without LL being caught and her supposed lack of prior issues.
Thanks @Futtrit for these updates!
Hello all, yet another newbie here. I’ve followed the threads on here since the trial started because it seemed to be the only forum where anyone with any common sense discussed the trial.
Those who are NG are either dribbling conspiracy theorists or people who simply can’t get their heads around someone doing this. I said on Reddit that I believe there’s plenty of people who see something of themselves in Letby, or something of someone they know and like. In the former case, I believe there’ll be lots of people who read into the arrogance and the self-centred text messages and see something of themselves in her. Where we see a snivelling little grass who lacks even the most basic empathy, they see a ‘go getter’. In the latter, well, we’ve been over this. The photos that seem to show the ultimate girl next door. Personally I see dead eyes. Those eyes remind me of an ex who had no empathy whatsoever and was weirdly proud of it. It gives me the shivers.
There’s a wider discussion to be had on the looks thing. As you guys have talked about, it’s all cobblers anyway. Old Ossie Bin Bag had a pleasant face. But if you look at all the old serial killer types, for every creepy photo, there’s one where the subject looks very normal. Dirty old ghoul Fuller looks like an artists impression of a pon in his mugshot but look at the one where he’s younger and stood with a bike. He looks like the affable dad who referees the 5 a side down the local leisure centre. For Rose and Freddie Glitter, there’s that photo of them where she’s sat on the sofa. They look like the friendly couple next door. Dirty Den Nilsen looks like a bouffant headed ghoul in his 80s photos but see some from the 60s and 70s and he’s actually quite a handsome looking bloke.
So G or NG? I asked a former solicitor about that early on in the case. Her reply? ‘There’s a ducking confession note!’
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Can I also say that you guys are hilarious and have added a lot of much needed humour to this. It’s an unfathomably dark case but you have to laugh otherwise you’d go mad. I’m not ginger. I don’t like Turkish delight. I only ever went to Matalan once and it was to buy swimming shorts for a holiday. I don’t even like swimming. Maybe that’s why I went to Matalan. But I’m telling you, it’s the only time.
One thing I’ve wanted to add which I obviously haven’t been able to. You all discussed what perfume she might wear. I don’t think she does. She looks like she smells of a concocted of Haribo and old socks.
Those who are NG are either dribbling conspiracy theorists or people who simply can’t get their heads around someone doing this. I said on Reddit that I believe there’s plenty of people who see something of themselves in Letby, or something of someone they know and like. In the former case, I believe there’ll be lots of people who read into the arrogance and the self-centred text messages and see something of themselves in her. Where we see a snivelling little grass who lacks even the most basic empathy, they see a ‘go getter’. In the latter, well, we’ve been over this. The photos that seem to show the ultimate girl next door. Personally I see dead eyes. Those eyes remind me of an ex who had no empathy whatsoever and was weirdly proud of it. It gives me the shivers.
There’s a wider discussion to be had on the looks thing. As you guys have talked about, it’s all cobblers anyway. Old Ossie Bin Bag had a pleasant face. But if you look at all the old serial killer types, for every creepy photo, there’s one where the subject looks very normal. Dirty old ghoul Fuller looks like an artists impression of a pon in his mugshot but look at the one where he’s younger and stood with a bike. He looks like the affable dad who referees the 5 a side down the local leisure centre. For Rose and Freddie Glitter, there’s that photo of them where she’s sat on the sofa. They look like the friendly couple next door. Dirty Den Nilsen looks like a bouffant headed ghoul in his 80s photos but see some from the 60s and 70s and he’s actually quite a handsome looking bloke.
So G or NG? I asked a former solicitor about that early on in the case. Her reply? ‘There’s a ducking confession note!’
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Can I also say that you guys are hilarious and have added a lot of much needed humour to this. It’s an unfathomably dark case but you have to laugh otherwise you’d go mad. I’m not ginger. I don’t like Turkish delight. I only ever went to Matalan once and it was to buy swimming shorts for a holiday. I don’t even like swimming. Maybe that’s why I went to Matalan. But I’m telling you, it’s the only time.
One thing I’ve wanted to add which I obviously haven’t been able to. You all discussed what perfume she might wear. I don’t think she does. She looks like she smells of a concocted of Haribo and old socks.
I can’t love this post more. Also - Beigerac
OT (sort of) but I was watching the new series of Black Mirror last night and we were on the Loch Henry episode. As soon as I saw the “Bergerac” tapes I burst out laughing because of this thread and my husband was like wtf?
I love your username
I reckon she smells like a cross between cat piss and BO masked by Charlie RED
I’m so gutted we can’t change our usernames. I’m loving all these Lucy Letby Trial inspired ones 
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Bet she smells like a really cheap dupe from Semi Chem - Jimmy Too or something
🥲Bet she smells like a really cheap dupe from Semi Chem - Jimmy Too or something
Oh, I hope mini Caledonian is ok.Posted as the last thread locked. How is everyone feeling now the verdict is so close to coming? I'm praying for a guilty verdict for all the families so they can get justice.
I don't know how much I'll be able to follow today as in a and e with mini Caledonian as he's not putting on weight as he should despite constantly feeding and he's very sleepy so much so I'm struggling to wake him for feeds (13 yesterday and had to wake him for 9 of them)
Mine was sleepy / not feeding much for the first 10 days (I had c-section and doctor thought maybe the drugs they gave me had an effect on him and made him drowsy). But he was completely fine after that, and everything went back to normal.I've voted guilty on all counts. I'm certain she won't walk free. I'm hoping the jury will find her guilty on all counts too.
gutted you’ve all only been able to join us now and not from the start. @Beigerac just the name 
it’s been an excellent first day of summing up! Judge Goss sounds like he’s read the wiki and been refreshing Tattle in all Letby’s PTSD breaks.
Thoughts and prayers again to fool The fool, the green haired Nazi simp and Mr Neutral from facey B.
Hoping we have some Tattle Burgundy reports later
Actual footage of Lucy Letby going to get the camera.
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