Lucy Letby Case #43

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I do remember finding out during cross that it was her that didn’t get back with the camera in time! What are the chances eh 🙄🤬
Evil evil evil! Never been more convinced.
Dragged her little heels (in her matalan shoes no doubt) getting that camera didn't she. :cautious:

On another note - thanks for the warm welcome. I'm genuinely grateful to be able to talk about this at last. It's been on my mind a lot and my very chilled husband while agreeing she's guilty doesn't actually want to analyse each individual sentence of testimony for some reason. :unsure:
My husband is exactly the same. He entertains me up to a point then he’s not interested once I start getting into the nitty gritty details. So nice to be able to share thoughts with likeminded people on here ❤
 
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Hey! First time poster, finally managed to make an account. Been following the trial and this thread along with most other socials since the start.


She's guilty as sin and I don't know how anyone in their right mind could think otherwise. The FB nutters must be so upset with the judge right now, he could not be laying it out more clearly for them.

RG is also an absolute numpy. I don't care how "clever" he is, he has got this one so wrong that it makes me worry the other ones he got off were still guilty regardless of any dodgy statistics.
 
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When you breakdown the defence it’s a plumber confirming two leaks/ blockages on both days that no collapse happened and a barrister
(very clearly highly intelligent and well regarded)
That just disagrees with EXPERT witnesses, no medical examples, no experts to confirm what he is saying … says it was extra busy and LL her self confirmed that suboptimal care was not the cause of collapses deaths.
And, as the judge pointed out, this is his OPINION that he has been repeatedly stating. The opinion of the defence barrister isn’t evidence.
 
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Bloody hell my newbie sensor is going wild today.



No fool's allowed though. Especially Dickie Gill.
 
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Dragged her little heels (in her matalan shoes no doubt) getting that camera didn't she. :cautious:

On another note - thanks for the warm welcome. I'm genuinely grateful to be able to talk about this at last. It's been on my mind a lot and my very chilled husband while agreeing she's guilty doesn't actually want to analyse each individual sentence of testimony for some reason. :unsure:
I feel exactly the same! I keep wanting to talk details and my hubby glazes over. Glad I'm not the only one ;)
 
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2:47pm

Child C was "born in good condition" and was 'on the margins' of being treated at the Level 2 Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit, the jury is told.

The judge recalls the events leading up to Child C's death on the morning of June 14.

"Nothing stood out as worrying" for Child C from observations, but there was caution for his care.

Prof Arthurs said radiographs for June 12 showed left-sided chest infection, and marked dilation of the bowel.

Symptoms of this included CPAP belly, NEC, sepsis or air embolus.

Bile was later noted on Child C's blanket on June 13, and 2ml of black-stained fluid was obtained on aspirates.

No desaturations were observed.

Bile aspirates was a "concern" in neonates, but not that unusual for them, and "not a major cause of concern", the court had heard.

Dr Gibbs said the bile for Child C was "a worry", but the aspirates "were not increasing", and "his overall observations were satisfactory".

An obstruction would have been found post-mortem.
 
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Ahhhh beautiful news. Congratulations.

I've wrote you a poem.

Her name may be crappy but she's very pretty and her fella can't stop giving her wood,
So the inevitable has happened our Lucyxxx is actually up the duff!

❤❤❤❤❤
I have waited for your comment about this all day 😂😘
 
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2:52pm

"Black bile was not normal, but not unknown in premature babies", the court had been told.

Dr Sally Ogden said the bilous observations were a "concern", and the x-ray showed a "loopy bowel".

Child C was still pink and well perfused and he had "no concerns with breathing" and the abdomen was soft to touch, which was "reassuring".

Dr Gibbs had "no particular concerns" about Child C that day on June 13.

Babies with [gastrointestinal disease] NEC develop a hardened abdomen, the jury was told.
 
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Another newbie here who voted guilty!🙋🏻‍♀️I’ve been following the threads since the trial began and Tattle has felt like a VIP club I’ve not been able to join so just been lurking from the sidelines….not on Facebook though I promise 🤣

I’ve learnt so much from all of you (law, medical, criminology and much more) and feel much more knowledgeable having read all your eloquently well articulated thoughts about this case so thank you and to @Tofino for the famous wiki! The jurors should get given a printed out booklet of the wiki for their deliberations 🤣

Jokes aside, it’s all so incredibly sad and my thoughts go out to all the parents involved. I hope she gets a WLO🤞🏼
 
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I’ll be really interested to see how the judge tackles the insulin cases.. I don’t see how he can really give an “impartial” view.
 
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I find her guilty on the basis of evidence I have read over the past 7 months. I know this isn’t a factor the jurors need concern themselves with, but I can’t understand her motivation. With Beverly Allit, she wanted to ‘save’ children after causing their medical event, as she enjoyed the praise and attention and respect from the families of the children whose lives she seemingly saved.
 
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I find her guilty on the basis of evidence I have read over the past 7 months. I know this isn’t a factor the jurors need concern themselves with, but I can’t understand her motivation. With Beverly Allit, she wanted to ‘save’ children after causing their medical event, as she enjoyed the praise and attention and respect from the families of the children whose lives she seemingly saved.
Honestly I think her only motivation was jealousy. Jealousy of her colleagues and jealousy of the mums. A lot of the incidents seemed to occur after she had been told no, so were done in a rage and out of spite.
 
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I find her guilty on the basis of evidence I have read over the past 7 months. I know this isn’t a factor the jurors need concern themselves with, but I can’t understand her motivation. With Beverly Allit, she wanted to ‘save’ children after causing their medical event, as she enjoyed the praise and attention and respect from the families of the children whose lives she seemingly saved.
I honestly think this was LL motivation too in the beginning. She wanted attention from saving the poor babies, but to save them she had to sabotage them first. Towards the end I think she got a thrill from killing them though and the ‘poor lucy, she’s having a hard time’ she would get from the other staff.

She is absolutely pure evil and I hope to god she never sees the outside of her cell again.
 
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Who opened the gates to all the newbies 😆

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Bloody big welcome to you all, so glad you can all finally comment and vote 🙌🏽🧡xx
Newbie (but oldie), I only began posting here at #41, voted GUILTY. Not ginger, don't like Turkish Delight, don't shop in Matalan, don't do FB or Twatter.
Btw, I'm a miracle baby, premature, weighed just 2lbs born when oxygen was the only medical aid administered for prem babies. Thank you NHS ❤
Hope Letby is going down for a VERY long time, preferably rest of her life!
 
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3:06pm

Messages showed Letby wanted to 'throw myself back in' to the neonatal unit -

She said that meant getting back in to looking after babies as that was what she was taught at Liverpool Women's.

The messages included Letby saying: "From a confidence point of view, I need to take an ITU baby soon."

Sophie Ellis, a band 5 nurse - not intensive care unit trained - was supported by a band 6 nurse that night shift to be the designated nurse for Child C that night in room 1.

At the start of the night shift, there was a hope to start Child C on feeds.

He was "pink, well perfused, active and alert".

At 10.34pm, Letby said she had 'done a couple of meds in 1', and believed Sophie Ellis didn't have the skill in caring for premature babies.

Sophie Ellis was alerted to Child C's desaturation.

She said she had been alerted to the desaturation by Letby, who had said 'he's just dropped his HR and saturations'.

This was something she had not put in the nursing notes, but something she said to police.

She said she did not do so at the time as it was ultimately a traumatic event.

She said she didn't do anything to Child C, and didn't see anything being done to him.

Letby was "stood at the incubator at the far side".

A nursing colleague said she believed she saw Melanie Taylor and Sophie Ellis by Child C.
Child C was not breathing, "very blotchy", and was not aware if Letby was in the room.

Melanie Taylor said in evidence when she approached the incubator, Letby was already there.

She said in police interview, she was in room 1 feeding another baby, and was called over by Sophie Ellis, not mentioning Letby.

Letby said she had "very little independent memory" of events.

She said she had given evidence on Child C's collapse having been "placed" there in the room by Sophie Ellis' account.
 
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When you breakdown the defence it’s a plumber confirming two leaks/ blockages on both days that no collapse happened and a barrister
(very clearly highly intelligent and well regarded)
That just disagrees with EXPERT witnesses, no medical examples, no experts to confirm what he is saying … says it was extra busy and LL her self confirmed that suboptimal care was not the cause of collapses deaths.
It's so clear now that BM may have had advice but he had no one willing to testify, for all that he spouted off last week when it comes down to it the judge can only summarise it as "Mr A, Mrs B and Dr C all say this" Vs "the defence disagree". And yes, it's not for her to prove her innocence, but the fact remains that it's is lots of experts evidence Vs BMs opinion and that will carry weight.
 
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“I need to take an ITU baby soon” what the actual duck is that. She’s like a smackhead rattling for their fix, absolute freak, lock it up
 
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3:17pm

The trial is resuming after a short break. The judge says we will finish before 4pm, at the conclusion of the case of Child C. The case of Child D will be referred to tomorrow.
 
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I honestly think this was LL motivation too in the beginning. She wanted attention from saving the poor babies, but to save them she had to sabotage them first. Towards the end I think she got a thrill from killing them though and the ‘poor lucy, she’s having a hard time’ she would get from the other staff.

She is absolutely pure evil and I hope to god she never sees the outside of her cell again.
I think with LL it’s attention seeking, pure and simple. Whether that’s being there during a crisis and needing support after, the “it always happens to me narrative”, or spending more time with certain doctors than she otherwise would have.

Obviously this is at the extreme end of attention seeking and she’s clearly unhinged.
 
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Posted as the last thread locked. How is everyone feeling now the verdict is so close to coming? I'm praying for a guilty verdict for all the families so they can get justice.
I don't know how much I'll be able to follow today as in a and e with mini Caledonian as he's not putting on weight as he should despite constantly feeding and he's very sleepy so much so I'm struggling to wake him for feeds (13 yesterday and had to wake him for 9 of them 😢)
I'm only on page 1 of 9 but I hope your little one is ok and you get home soon.
 
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