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Joining the rush of newbies! Another ginger (apologies), love Turkish Delight (more apologies), don’t shop at Matalan or wear a Lee Cooper leisure suit. Big fan of my home shredder.
I’ve followed these threads since the start of the trial and can honestly say that despite this being a horrendous topic, you are the funniest, most supportive and caring bunch.
I started off with an open mind, mostly because I just didn’t want to believe that someone could be so evil. I’m now firmly in the G camp. I still cannot get over her writing a draft sympathy message for the parents of the triplets and including the name of the triplet who didn’t die. BM’s GCSE drama project last week was ridiculous but hopefully we’re back on track now
I’ve followed these threads since the start of the trial and can honestly say that despite this being a horrendous topic, you are the funniest, most supportive and caring bunch.
I started off with an open mind, mostly because I just didn’t want to believe that someone could be so evil. I’m now firmly in the G camp. I still cannot get over her writing a draft sympathy message for the parents of the triplets and including the name of the triplet who didn’t die. BM’s GCSE drama project last week was ridiculous but hopefully we’re back on track now
I really don’t think she’ll ever confess (not whilst her parents are alive) as she’ll enjoy having the power and control over being the only one to ever know the whole ‘truth’. She probably enjoyed the expert witnesses and prosecution piecing together what they believe she did and I bet she felt clever and powerful knowing how close they were getting (or not) and knowing only she’d ever know.
I think she’ll probably enjoy all the speculation going on and will like ‘going down in history’ (as horrible as that sounds). What could possibly attract more attention to her than being labelled the worse female serial killer in the UK?!
But she could never let anyone know any of this, it must be kept her secret. Because although she did all of this she still knows how wrong it is and probably scared herself at some point after realising how evil she truly is (hence the note). She’s most likely hating seeing her perfect, lovely Lucy image being destroyed and will want to hang onto any last thread of control.
I think she’ll probably enjoy all the speculation going on and will like ‘going down in history’ (as horrible as that sounds). What could possibly attract more attention to her than being labelled the worse female serial killer in the UK?!
But she could never let anyone know any of this, it must be kept her secret. Because although she did all of this she still knows how wrong it is and probably scared herself at some point after realising how evil she truly is (hence the note). She’s most likely hating seeing her perfect, lovely Lucy image being destroyed and will want to hang onto any last thread of control.
Newbie alert - omg can’t believe I’m finally here on planet Tattle ! I feel a bit starstruck tbh having read you all on here every day for months…after following CS since October.
Thank you for keeping me smiling and sometimes guffawing ( usually @DellaC ) amid this utter horror show.
I’m not ginger - but had a ginger Granny if that helps?
Camp G
I was in the law 19 years and in court a lot - mostly family proceedings but also crime in my earlier years of practice and have been following the etiquette and shenanigans in court closely. I’ve not physically been to Manchester CC as I live too far ( not sure how I’d justify that one to the hubster) . From the reporting, BNE has been ingenious and pretty understated in his approach, which often holds more credence in person than the dramatic shouty effect approach (Bowel). Although I agree the podcast makes BNE sound catty and camp and does his gravitas as an advocate no favours!
I’ve seen some unbelievably toe-curlingly biased “summing up” from judges including one judge in the South East who basically directed the jury “ you basically have to decide whether or not the skinheads are telling the truth or not”!
I think Boss Goss is being very measured and fair.
@Tofino I’m sure BNE and team would be delighted to use your chronology of the evidence - I’ve no doubt these guys have juniors who are aware of these forums. Ultimately I have faith the jury will do the right thing for these babies and their families
Thank you for keeping me smiling and sometimes guffawing ( usually @DellaC ) amid this utter horror show.
I’m not ginger - but had a ginger Granny if that helps?
Camp G
I was in the law 19 years and in court a lot - mostly family proceedings but also crime in my earlier years of practice and have been following the etiquette and shenanigans in court closely. I’ve not physically been to Manchester CC as I live too far ( not sure how I’d justify that one to the hubster) . From the reporting, BNE has been ingenious and pretty understated in his approach, which often holds more credence in person than the dramatic shouty effect approach (Bowel). Although I agree the podcast makes BNE sound catty and camp and does his gravitas as an advocate no favours!
I’ve seen some unbelievably toe-curlingly biased “summing up” from judges including one judge in the South East who basically directed the jury “ you basically have to decide whether or not the skinheads are telling the truth or not”!
I think Boss Goss is being very measured and fair.
@Tofino I’m sure BNE and team would be delighted to use your chronology of the evidence - I’ve no doubt these guys have juniors who are aware of these forums. Ultimately I have faith the jury will do the right thing for these babies and their families
Awww @Lucyxxxx well done for keeping the ginger population going
Great to see the flood of new members! A word of warning!
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FFS @Lucyxxxx I was trying to congratulate you, but ended up putting it on the wrong thread 
Your fertility knows, no bounds!
Your fertility knows, no bounds!
Congratulations!!!
Aw a sloth, one of my favourite animals.
@followthedolphin really interesting to read your perspective on this and that the judge is being fair, thank you.
It's soooo reassuring to hear so many new members are convinced of her guilt. Feeling much more positive this week.
Love this, thankyou and welcome!Newbie alert - omg can’t believe I’m finally here on planet Tattle ! I feel a bit starstruck tbh having read you all on here every day for months…after following CS since October.
Thank you for keeping me smiling and sometimes guffawing ( usually @DellaC ) amid this utter horror show.
I’m not ginger - but had a ginger Granny if that helps?
Camp G
I was in the law 19 years and in court a lot - mostly family proceedings but also crime in my earlier years of practice and have been following the etiquette and shenanigans in court closely. I’ve not physically been to Manchester CC as I live too far ( not sure how I’d justify that one to the hubster) . From the reporting, BNE has been ingenious and pretty understated in his approach, which often holds more credence in person than the dramatic shouty effect approach (Bowel). Although I agree the podcast makes BNE sound catty and camp and does his gravitas as an advocate no favours!
I’ve seen some unbelievably toe-curlingly biased “summing up” from judges including one judge in the South East who basically directed the jury “ you basically have to decide whether or not the skinheads are telling the truth or not”!
I think Boss Goss is being very measured and fair.
@Tofino I’m sure BNE and team would be delighted to use your chronology of the evidence - I’ve no doubt these guys have juniors who are aware of these forums. Ultimately I have faith the jury will do the right thing for these babies and their families
I was here at the start, but, had a bit of a wobble re her guilt, so only " returned, once I was convinced fully, she's an evil, murdering witch!
I continued to follow all the while and laughed also at the shenanigans, usually at weekends and it's always been nothing but respectful to those that matter ( LL not included...she deserves all the piss taking jokes thrown her way, and more!)
It's been lovely to hear all your thoughts amd opinions today
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Me too, feels so much more positive today
I have to say I'm finding it HUGELY suspicious that all the newbies like Turkish Delight.....
The judge is slaying his summing up.
I also don’t like Turkish Delight
I also don’t like Turkish Delight
Maybe it’s cause I’ve thought she’s GUILTY since last year but I’ve just read the CS updates for today and it’s making me feel like yeah the jury are going to make the right decision. I may be incredibly biased mind…
I quite like the rose and lemon one - mostly cos my mum loves it and got it every Christmas and it was like her special thing that we weren't allowed to share apart from a tiny taste. The one in the purple wrapper with chocolate on it is rank though.
Some other thoughts I’ve had on the case.
Motive was discussed in depth a while ago and whilst everyone was pretty much on the money for likely personality disorders, I think that’s different to motive. She almost certainly is a psychopath/sociopath and narcissist. But then every serial killer is. If you want to confront the idea of the ultimate narcissist, look no further than Nilsen. There’s enough of his grandiose nonsense online, and then there’s also a bloody autobiography out there. And by definition, these people are definitely psychopaths because if you had any regard for other people you wouldn’t go around killing them.
But the world is full of people who are narcissists and the world is full of people who lack empathy to the degree that they could be classed as psychopaths. I’d wager that very very few of them would or could kill another person because, although they might lack certain human traits, they still know right from wrong. I mean, look at politicians. Not all, but quite a lot. These people obviously lack empathy but would they murder someone? Of course not.
So, as I see it, motive would be one of three things. The first is the old munchausen’s/hero complex. I may be contradicting what I’ve said because that’s another personality disorder. But if we look at Aunt Bev, it translated into a desire for attention at any cost. Certainly Letby is obsessed with attention. In most of her photos she’s doing something to try and get all the attention, and then there’s the text messages. But I can’t see it being the sole driver here. Not unless we’re subjected to anecdotes of her baking her own tubes in the oven like Bev. I may be wrong but I think even Letby would think that behaviour as being weird.
Then you’ve got the hate and jealousy element. It’s almost certainly a factor. She seems to be jealous of everyone but what started this? Is that FB post about not being able to have kids true? We don’t know but it would certainly hold weight. I really want to know about her growing up. Was she bullied? Did she pick on people who reminded her of those she’d felt slighted by? I think that if there’s any truth to that, and I think there might be, we will hear all about it down the line.
Finally, and gruesomely, you’ve got the whole thrill element. Most serial killers are sexually driven which is likely why they need to keep on doing it. What makes me think this is a likely explanation is the sadism. We’ve seen a FB post about a baby getting scars from repeated needle pricks. It’s utterly stomach churning but I feel she was hurting babies long before killing them.
So in my view, motive is all of the above, and we’re dealing with depravity on a horrendous scale.
Anyway, just to finish on a lighter note, I wonder what became of old Dr Noname. At very least I bet his wife chopped off his Cockington and planted it up his pretty flowerbed.
Motive was discussed in depth a while ago and whilst everyone was pretty much on the money for likely personality disorders, I think that’s different to motive. She almost certainly is a psychopath/sociopath and narcissist. But then every serial killer is. If you want to confront the idea of the ultimate narcissist, look no further than Nilsen. There’s enough of his grandiose nonsense online, and then there’s also a bloody autobiography out there. And by definition, these people are definitely psychopaths because if you had any regard for other people you wouldn’t go around killing them.
But the world is full of people who are narcissists and the world is full of people who lack empathy to the degree that they could be classed as psychopaths. I’d wager that very very few of them would or could kill another person because, although they might lack certain human traits, they still know right from wrong. I mean, look at politicians. Not all, but quite a lot. These people obviously lack empathy but would they murder someone? Of course not.
So, as I see it, motive would be one of three things. The first is the old munchausen’s/hero complex. I may be contradicting what I’ve said because that’s another personality disorder. But if we look at Aunt Bev, it translated into a desire for attention at any cost. Certainly Letby is obsessed with attention. In most of her photos she’s doing something to try and get all the attention, and then there’s the text messages. But I can’t see it being the sole driver here. Not unless we’re subjected to anecdotes of her baking her own tubes in the oven like Bev. I may be wrong but I think even Letby would think that behaviour as being weird.
Then you’ve got the hate and jealousy element. It’s almost certainly a factor. She seems to be jealous of everyone but what started this? Is that FB post about not being able to have kids true? We don’t know but it would certainly hold weight. I really want to know about her growing up. Was she bullied? Did she pick on people who reminded her of those she’d felt slighted by? I think that if there’s any truth to that, and I think there might be, we will hear all about it down the line.
Finally, and gruesomely, you’ve got the whole thrill element. Most serial killers are sexually driven which is likely why they need to keep on doing it. What makes me think this is a likely explanation is the sadism. We’ve seen a FB post about a baby getting scars from repeated needle pricks. It’s utterly stomach churning but I feel she was hurting babies long before killing them.
So in my view, motive is all of the above, and we’re dealing with depravity on a horrendous scale.
Anyway, just to finish on a lighter note, I wonder what became of old Dr Noname. At very least I bet his wife chopped off his Cockington and planted it up his pretty flowerbed.
The judge is slaying his summing up.
I also don’t like Turkish Delight
Welcome to all the Newbies 
and big congrats @Lucyxxxx
Been watching when I can in work- the Judge is doing a great job of clearing up any doubts BM may have raised in the jury.
With the perfume question - going that she still uses Body Shop vanilla musk she got as a teenager!
and big congrats @Lucyxxxx Been watching when I can in work- the Judge is doing a great job of clearing up any doubts BM may have raised in the jury.
With the perfume question - going that she still uses Body Shop vanilla musk she got as a teenager!
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