Lucy Letby Case #41

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I said I was gonna bow out for the week, but I can't help myself...following on here!
I'm screaming out.. .why oh why was all this not presented as his "defence", with experts to back up all he is claiming?
I know I'm naive and its his job. He obvs knew what he was doing by taking this approach..he's throwing all this at the jury and I'm sick to my stomach that it's gonna stick enough for a NG verdict....😪
 
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11:39am

My Myers says there is "no fair or proper basis" for an air embolus for Child A, and sub-optimal care, with the "long line in the wrong place".
 
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This is coming across as ridiculous. One minute he is suggesting the doctors are wrong, incompetent and overworked and their testimonies have been twisted over time by the police and prosecution, then the next he suggests they were all in on it from the very start trying to stitch LL up and get her done!
How far does this scapegoating ring stretch?!
 
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This is coming across as ridiculous. One minute he is suggesting the doctors are wrong, incompetent and overworked and their testimonies have been twisted over time by the police and prosecution, then the next he suggests they were all in on it from the very start trying to stitch LL up and get her done!
How far does this scapegoating ring stretch?!
As wide as LL's after the Robocock 5000
 
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I know everyone is entitled to a defence, but he is just dealing low blows at this point and not thinking of the babies or their parents. I've lost any respect for him that I may have had for 'just doing his job'.
Me too, the levels of depravity he's had to sink to, to defend her
 
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Thank you for the write up!

At the end of the day BM sadly has a job to do, and since I feel the prosecution is so strong, slinging mud everybody else's way is the only way to do it.

@gigilouxx is right, it's similar to how a kid in trouble will deflect. Blame everybody else to try and bring the heat off themselves. Adults can see right through it, and I hope the Jury see this too!
I totally agree I can see exactly why but I’ve seen a few comments who think yesterday changed everything but it really hasn’t it screamed desperation
 
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10:35am

The trial is now resuming.
Benjamin Myers KC is referring to the case of Child A.
He says there was sub-optimal care in that case.
He says on a neonatal unit, babies "are there for a reason" and many of the babies have "signficant problems" and are "at risk of deterioration".


Has been speaking to Dicky Gill?! These babies were poorly and could've died anyway schpiel. Sickening.
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He says there "should not have been just one nurse" looking after Child A and Child B. He says if there was one nurse for each, they would be "more confident" the issue of lines and nursing care was resolved. He adds Dr David Harkness was stretched between a number of babies for the shift on June 8, 2015.

Does he think the NHS have unlimited funding to provide a nurse to give 24/7 watch on one patient at a time?
To be fair intensive care babies should be nursed 1 to 1. That's the BAPM guidelines.
 
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11:37am

Mr Myers refers back to the case of Child A.

He says there was a 'failure to read subtle signs'.

He says the "crucial" element is there is no evidence of air embolus.

He says the prosecution have gathered witness accounts from this trial of the skin discolourations.

He says those recollections can change over the years.

He says there is no reference to discolouration in the contemporaneous notes for Child A, which he says is "extraordinary".

He says nurses Caroline Bennion and Melanie Taylor didn't note anything remarkable.

He cross-examined Dr Harkness on the description, who was "very animated" on the "striking" discolourations and "unexpected deterioration", but did not note it at the time, or in a statement to the coroner.

He says the evidence by a nursing colleague noted, in a 2018 police interview, Child A was 'centrally pale', with limbs 'white'.

Mr Myers cross-examined her on it, and asked her about 'blotchiness', and where that had come from.

She agreed the description was different between police interview and evidence.

Dr Jayaram said Child A was 'pale blue', with discolouration 'flitting around'.

Mr Myers says the description he gave from the interview was 'very similar' to the one from the research paper.

My Myers says the description does not appear in his clinical notes at the time, or in the "lengthy statement" to the coroner.

Mr Myers says it is a "remarkable coincidence" that two doctors did not give evidence of discolourations to the coroner in a statement, or note it at the time.
Child A is the one where globules of air were found in his brain tissue, no?

Or did Dr Evans pop them in the specimens beforehand as a laugh?
 
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Are we a day ahead now? He said he would be doing general waffling for yesterday and today and start going through each case individually on Wednesday but here we are going through Baby A, followed by Baby B? So by those standards, he is a day ahead and we should only have 4 days of having to listen to him?
 
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11:55am

Mr Myers refers to the case of Child B.

He says Child B's deterioration on June 10 was "relatively brief", and didn't involve her being intubated.

He says the defence accept there is no obvious medical condition or obvious evidence of sub-optimal care.

He adds the evidence of an injection of air for Child B's deterioration "is so weak" and "unclear".

He says: "If it isn't clear, therefore not guilty."
 
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•he said her treatment in cross exam was (in the most over exaggerated voice, tone and action ) ‘BADDDD’ yet he ate the witnesses alive in cross exam, who’ve done nothing wrong, they aren’t in court suspected of murder.
I’d forgotten this part 😂

It was so theatrical. “We say it [prosecutions treatment of LL] was BAAAAAADDDD. Bad.” 😂😂😂
 
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I’d forgotten this part 😂

It was so theatrical. “We say it [prosecutions treatment of LL] was BAAAAAADDDD. Bad.” 😂😂😂

Yeah, of course BM. Especially when BNE virtually whispered the entire thing so as not to trigger LL's 'PTSD'..... an absolute b!
 
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No medical evidence, all he’s got is yeah well xyz did this, blah blah tit at their job. Big eye rolls
 
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12:03pm

Mr Myers says there can be deteriorations for which the cause cannot be identified.

He said there had been a number of attempts to insert a line - five by Dr David Harkness - for Child B, when the guideline was a maximum of three.

He says the difficulties of inserting lines can put a baby under stress.

He says Dr Evans, in cross-examination, went through all the potential causes.

He says it was suggested Letby had moved the nasal prongs, or that Child B had been "smothered" - Mr Myers says there was no evidence of that, and it was 'abandoned'.

He says the conclusion was of air embolus.

A nursing note by a colleague said the prongs had been moved, and "it was not unusual" for the prongs to be moved out by a baby.

On air embolus, Mr Myers says nursery room 1 "is a busy nursery" with staff coming and going.

Belinda Simcock [Williamson] said, to police, there are 4 drugs cupboards and a sterile fridge, with keys held by the shift leader or a band 6 nurse.

"It was constantly busy - I would liken it to a bus station," she said.
 
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Yeah, of course BM. Especially when BNE virtually whispered the entire thing so as not to trigger LL's 'PTSD'..... an absolute b!
She made no reaction to the speaker feedback apparently too 🤔
 
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Belinda Simcock [Williamson] said, to police, there are 4 drugs cupboards and a sterile fridge, with keys held by the shift leader or a band 6 nurse.

Other nurses have said they all shared the keys ( which is wrong on many levels) He's trying to make out LL didn't have direct access to the drugs cupboards without permission.

Where's the proof of the signatures when nurses hand over your keys to the next shift BM?
 
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12:07pm

Mr Myers says for this allegation, Letby would have to be close to Child B - "and of course, she is not".

He said it was "normal" for her to be assisting a nursing colleague in room 1, in assisting putting up the TPN bag at 12.05am.

He says the nursing colleague is "not going to miss that" if air is injected, and it would not take 25 minutes for it to have an effect [when the deterioration takes place].

Mr Myers says at the time of deterioration, Letby was with the nursing colleague and not with Child B.

He says the nursing colleague had said she was "keeping a particularly close eye on [Child B]", given the prongs had been dislodged and what had happened to Child A.


12:12pm

Mr Myers says the deterioration was not rapid in this case, and resuscitation was successful.

A radiograph was taken 40 minutes after the deterioration.

He says 'no-one is suggesting air' is present.

He says that is different from the radiograph image for Child G, which was taken at Arrowe Park, where the air was still there.

He says for discolouration, there was contemporaneous notes at the time.

He says the defence are not disputing these discolouration descriptions at the time.


He says none of the descriptions match that from the research paper.


12:17pm

My Myers said a doctor who had been present for Child A and Child B said what she had seen on Child B was something she had "not seen before", Mr Myers tells the court.

He says it is accepted the skin discolouration is 'striking', but what happened was 'not air embolus'.

He says it is not a particularly nice detail [to point out in comparison to other cases], but there was 'no screaming or distress' for Child B.

He says that detail of 'screaming/crying/distress' was 'worked into the theory' by medical experts later in the case.
 
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