Lucy Letby Case #41

[Futtrit]

2:38pm

He says of Letby's 2,318 Facebook searches, "only 31" related to parents' names on the indictment.

Mr Myers says Letby has not searched for things on 'air embolus', or 'forcing in air', or any 'fascination with what's alleged here'.

He says there is no evidence found Letby Googled 'haemophilia' following a conversation between a colleague nd Letby on Child N.


2:39pm

Mr Myers refers to the 2015 and 2016 diaries found at Letby's home.

He says there is nothing in the 2015 diary which is relevant to the indictment.

He asks, if the diaries are relevant, why there is no reference to Child A-K in them.

 

[gigilouxx]

Loool duck off Ben. I don’t Google how to put a cannabis grow in my spare room but I know full well how to do it. Stupid baldy

 

[Futtrit]

2:44pm

Mr Myers refers to handover sheets.

He says it is "not difficult" to see why Letby would have handover sheets in the first place.

He says the issue is why she would keep them in such quantities.

He adds if that is evidence of her intention to kill.

He says Letby's position is she "didn't throw things away".

He says Letby had a "habit" of retaining pieces of paper.

He says Letby was 'collecting' in the style of 'accumulating', not as in "collecting stamps".

Letby had said, in cross-examination, she accumulated the paperwork, not its contents.

Mr Myers asks if the jury don't think this accumulation is "random", what is the prosecution's case for them?

He says if Letby had handover sheets and only handover sheets relating to babies on the indictment, that would be significant, but a total of 257 handover were found, with 21 relating to babies on the indictment - "less than 10 per cent". He says there are no handover sheets for Child A, C or D.

 

[Windowtothewall]

This was the "harm event" for baby C that Lucy was not on shift for.

So an expected air bubble caused by CPAP that caused no problems is being compared by BM to air embolisms of large quantities in place they shouldn't have been - that caused a collapse? Ok.

 

[gigilouxx]

“Has difficulty throwing things away” as demonstrated by the contents of her 2007 inspired clothing items

 

[Futtrit]

2:47pm

Mr Myers says for the 21 handover notes relating to babies on the indictment, '9 or 10' do not refer to dates on which events for the babies happened.

He says "they don't do what they should do if the prosecution are right".

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Why did she lie about googling haemophilia then?

Yeh, didn’t she come up with the ‘50/50 chance’ lie statement via text message to a colleague?
Did she get that from a textbook or make it up lie?

 

[amsmall]

Hey mum and dad, I know you’re about to hear how I viciously killed multiple babies but I want you to know I’ve no idea what go commando means, even if the bad man in the wig makes out I do.
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Got a flash back walking into my Nanna's house, she had loads of these.
The sacred heart ain't gonna save you sweetie

 

[Haveyouanywool]

2318 Facebook searches!

JuSt A NoRmAl PaTtErN oF bEhAvIoUr

For a bleeping weirdo

 

[Futtrit]

2:48pm

He says they do show someone who hangs on to paper "compulsively".

He refers to the shredder, and what Letby didn't shred.

He says if Letby had thought there would be a police investigation - as written on one of her notes - she would have shredded the handover notes.

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2:51pm

Mr Myers refers to the subject of 'experts'.

He says the prosecution medical evidence is 'central' to their case.

He says it is crucial to show the jury that there is no medical cause for the collapses of babies, and that substandard medical performance is ruled out, and that the alleged harmful acts took place.

 

[MmmB777]

So an expected air bubble caused by CPAP that caused no problems is being compared by BM to air embolisms of large quantities in place they shouldn't have been - that caused a collapse? Ok.

Just showing how tiny baby C, recovering from pneumonia, had a little bit of trouble with gas from CPAP. Funny how two healthy 4lb+ triplets managed to die from it one day after each other then eh.

 

[stardust1]

2:48pm

He says they do show someone who hangs on to paper "compulsively".

He refers to the shredder, and what Letby didn't shred.

He says if Letby had thought there would be a police investigation - as written on one of her notes - she would have shredded the handover notes.

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2:51pm

Mr Myers refers to the subject of 'experts'.

He says the prosecution medical evidence is 'central' to their case.

He says it is crucial to show the jury that there is no medical cause for the collapses of babies, and that substandard medical performance is ruled out, and that the alleged harmful acts took place.

So if it is so easily explained medically where the duck are bens experts

 

[Futtrit]

So if it is so easily explained medically where the duck are bens experts

 

[stardust1]

you’d have a long line of professional knocking at the door to explain or are they all in on the conspiracy

 

[Futtrit]

2:55pm

Mr Myers says experts should be assessed as other witnesses.

He says they don't decide the case, and their assistance is needed to explain how the babies collapsed.

He says the jurors should take their evidence into account, but "you don't have to accept them".

He says there are 'certain features which are important', that the witnesses in their field "must be an expert" and the "expert is an expert on their topic", and that was something, he said, was recognised by Prof Sally Kinsey, an expert in haematology, who "acknowledged frankly" she was "not an expert" on air embolus.



2:59pm

Mr Myers says theories on air embolus were cited by one expert in 'pigs and rabbits', not neonates.

He says expert evidence should be 'independent and objective', 'neutral - just stating it as it is', and 'not an advocate for one side or the other'.

He asks if Dr Dewi Evans, Dr Sandie Bohin and Dr Andreas Marnerides gave impartial, objective evidence.

He says if the experts do not come out to that, it is "game over for their opinion on that topic".





*If only there was some handy legal way of balancing out these prosecution expert views.......*

 

[Windowtothewall]

"He says there are 'certain features which are important', that the witnesses in their field "must be an expert" and the "expert is an expert on their topic", and that was something, he said, was recognised by Prof Sally Kinsey, an expert in haematology, who "acknowledged frankly" she was "not an expert" on air embolus."

Nice try Ben, except she didn't come along to be an expert on air embolus but to comment on whether a blood condition could cause it. A dentist may not be an expert on air embolus but he could tell you whether a root canal could cause an air embolus or not.

 

[Futtrit]

3:01pm

The judge, Mr Justice James Goss, brings the jury's attention to a matter raised in their absnece earlier today.

He refers to a matter of the chart presented earlier today, to a list of events and which staff were on duty, presented in court on screens.

The judge says he and the jury had 24 events listed on their bundle of evidence, whereas the screen had 25 events listed.

The 25th event was irrelevant to the point raised by Mr Myers, and was from an earlier version of that document.

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

I wonder if Christopher Booth appreciates being portrayed as the Lone Ranger riding, plumber like, to the rescue?

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I wonder if he said this before or after her it was pointed out that she waited for him to go on a break before attacking a baby.
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He refers to the 'go commando' message. He says a young woman, being cross-examined, being "humiliated" about something 'completely unrelated to what we were talking about', in front of the public, in front of her mum and dad, was inappropriate.

Ben, mate, this is the least of her worries.

I would say it more humiliating being accused of murder in front of your parents, at this point they would be bleeping elated if they found out all you did wrong was send some rude texts. They would be happy if she was riding the good doctor on their shredder it meant she hadn't murdered anyone.

 

[MmmB777]

What’s his point about the shredder and police investigation? Why would she shred them if they’re just an innocent accumulation then? She didn’t know there would be a police investigation.. when?? Surely her first arrest was sometime after the investigation began?

 

[Sillybillyy]

I've been watching the threads on and off since the trial started... So sorry to dive in! But as we come to a close, if she's found guilty do you think she'll eventually confess?