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gigilouxx

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I’m not a violent person but after reading child I I would like some time alone in a room with this evil sadistic witch 😡😡😡 That baby like the others was predicted a good outcome, on her way to go home and this thing relentlessly hurt her and eventually killed her. 😡
I am a violent person and I agree
 
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Pdawg

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Someone stop this man. Mrs Gill, if you are reading this right now then I beg you cut off your husbands internet access.
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He has been absolutely disgusting and insufferable all day, I can’t believe what I am reading. At least we can safely say that if she gets a whole life order, there’s absolutely zero chance of her ever getting it overturned if he is going to be the one doing her appeal.
Can someone euthanise Richard please
 
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OldBlondie

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Been following the live reporting, but have struggled to keep up with the threads recently. And I haven’t posted in a while, mostly because (and I’m not exaggerating), but even now I’m still kinda in shock that Bowel Movement had no medical experts, and his only witness was the plumber.

I’ve always been in the firm guilty camp from the very beginning threads, and I don’t really know how to describe how I feel now, especially now that finally everyone on here realises LL is nothing but a psychopathic evil bitch. I fully understand there were so many that were on the fence/had doubts, and why, but there was a lot of frustration in some of the earlier threads (glad everyone is friends now in the end though). And I just feel so strange now that we are finally at the end.


I know Noname was mixed up with LL and shouldn’t have been for many many reasons, but the more I think about it, the more I feel sorry for him slightly. I cannot comprehend how it would be on his conscience that LL murdered, tried to murder, and left babies with brain damage all to get his attention. I really do think he’ll never get over that, imagine being partly the cause of what happened, I think he’ll torture himself for the rest of his life over it. And I agree with quite a few, I think he’ll not stay anonymous for long after the verdict is in. I also was thinking about all the staff at the hospital that will never be the same again, how they all feel must be so awful knowing that the monster LL was the murderer hiding in plain sight, the unknown evil force they were all fighting. But for me, the gang of 4 are honestly Hero’s, there have been some people saying they should have stopped her earlier, which ofc with hindsightprobably true, but hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it. The gang of 4 have so much courage to put their careers on the line to stop her. There are just so so so many lives that have been ruined by LL.

There have been lots of lovely posts of people saying how great this thread has been, but panic not yet, Op hummingbird will be going on for some time yet, there’s so much more to come out, there will be the documentaries etc too. So this thread will be around for some time yet.

And BNE had just been amazing throughout, I always said he’ll tie everything together and his closing presented it so succinctly. It all tied so wonderfully together, and the relevance of things such as the salsa/grand national all suddenly made sense, and we finally understood the relevance. There’s so much more amazing stuff that BNE did that I could talk about, but I was actually shocked too at just how devious LL had been, and how meticulous she was in her attacks. He was so great at showing this. WLO and nothing less for her!

Apart from getting LL’s guilt right, I’ve been totally wrong about a few things, like her taking the stand, BM having something up his sleeve etc, but I’m more sure than ever that she will be found guilty unanimously, with deliberations not taking too long

I never thought I’d write this, but I see now why BM had to go hard at child E’s mum (still hate it at the same time tho), because LL literally has no defence other than challenging other witnesses accounts, so to give her a fair trial he had to try and discredit their versions. Also him becoming Dr Myers and challenging Dr “Fella” Evans, it’s cos the whole time he literally had nothing else to bring to the defence.

Like a few tomorrow, I don’t know if I can bare to listen to BM and his literal crap, but then I feel I need to see it out, so not gonna lie I probs will end up following it, even tho it’ll probably be soooo frustrating.

This post has ended up being far longer than I’d intended, but I still can’t explain how I feel tonight. I’m confident there will be justice for the families very very soon. I hope that at least brings them some comfort and peace. Sending lots of love to everyone on the thread, we are so close now guys, so close ❤

Ps slingo you’ll have to find a new plot twist for who is voting NG🤣, although it has to be people that are not actually sane, or trolling us.
 
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Just put my darling six year old to bed ready to wake up 7 😓 always find birthday eves a little tricky. Time goes so fast. Just so grateful and extra sad tonight for all the babies that should be here as happy little children. Especially thinking of O&P that should be just like my little boy right now 💔 this case has been something else. Thank god you were all here too. I don’t think I’ll follow much at all tomorrow. Don’t think I can stomach hearing any nonsense after what BNE delivered this week. X
Here is a funny little story to make you smile. I can’t whistle for shit but always wanted to be able to do the whistle bit in always look on the bright side of life.

When I was 6 I got it into my head and that I turned 7 I would be able to whistle and when I went to bed on the eve of my 7th birthday I was so excited - I woke up in the middle of the night and saw it was past midnight so it was my birthday and I tired to whistle and I couldn’t - was absolutely devastated 😂
 
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MmmB777

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Happy birthday to your little one!! Hope he has an amazing time tomorrow!!! Thanks again for all your posts about the case, I was in awed all the way (maybe a little crush at how smart you are!! 😆 )
Oh gosh 🤣🤣 that’s made me laugh and cheered me up thank you!! I don’t feel smart 😅 I’ve been on a ‘career break’ (sounds very wanky) since I had birthday boy and I feel really lucky to be able to be a SAHM but I must say this is probably the first time since then I’ve really felt my brain working 🤷🏻‍♀️ even if only partially. I don’t know if that makes sense but I think there’s all these little factors that meant I’ve got far too deep into this trial in a way I haven’t ever before and doubt I ever will again! I’ve been in awe of everybody else! My brain is mush 🤣💕

just shared with my mum that I was feeling a bit silly almost for feeling so sad about the babies and letting myself get this emotionally invested and I thought I’d share her lovely words back to me..

I genuinely feel it is a duty to bear witness, if you can, to these things. Sometimes we can’t, but mostly we all have enough resilience to think about the experience of people who have suffered so much, what it means and what should happen. If we ignore the pain of others, don’t even acknowledge it I think we are all diminished. Xx

Onwards and upwards. A lovely day tomorrow for my boy and weekend celebrating, with every day being a step closer to justice x
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I became a grandma yesterday, all well and baby and mum home 😍
was feeding her today and you forget how fragile they are and she’s a big baby but its not a lot of milk they have at this age and I was so gentle giving her a wee burp holding her head up.
Then thought about that bitch and how she overfed some of the babies and probably with force too, poor wee toots, she is evil exactly how she describes herself.
I will try listen tomorrow but not sure what he can say in her defence apart From it wasn’t her
Gorgeous news! Enjoy. Nothing better than newborn cuddles 💕x
 
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tay65

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2:38pm

He says of Letby's 2,318 Facebook searches, "only 31" related to parents' names on the indictment.

Mr Myers says Letby has not searched for things on 'air embolus', or 'forcing in air', or any 'fascination with what's alleged here'.

He says there is no evidence found Letby Googled 'haemophilia' following a conversation between a colleague nd Letby on Child N.


2:39pm

Mr Myers refers to the 2015 and 2016 diaries found at Letby's home.

He says there is nothing in the 2015 diary which is relevant to the indictment.

He asks, if the diaries are relevant, why there is no reference to Child A-K in them.
I went to court today with my friend. It really was horrible. let's call him by his real name BOWEL MOVEMENT. He talked very loudly and forcibly almost aggressively compared to BNE. I know you've all read the CS reporting so you know what was said but imagine it in his loud, arrogant voice and painting all the expert witnesses as unreliable. He didn't just throw Dewi Evans under the bus he cut him into 100 pieces first. He tried to make Letby look like a brilliant but wronged nurse. It particularly annoyed me when he said "NOT GOOD ENOUGH". Why didn't he also mention "I KILLED THEM ON PURPOSE". The way he normalised the 257 handover sheets because only a small amount were relating to these babies. The way he criticised BNE for what he said about her social life. The point was she tried to lie about this to gain jury sympathy that was why BNE brought that up because SHE LIED. The way he tried to normalise the FB searches.
 
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Lililyly

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Same … I am glad really. I know it’s ridiculous but sometimes thinking she could just possibly be innocent made me feel quite ill.

As it is, I am leaning towards her wanting to be found guilty, even if subconsciously. I know a lot of people see her ‘I am evil I did this’ note to be confirmation of guilt and it is interesting, as for me it was the opposite. Those notes seemed to me to be so genuine, someone in absolute turmoil and heartsick, panicking and terrified. I could imagine in the same situation I might do the same, doubt myself, wonder if I somehow had done it.

I think she was and is a confused, troubled young woman and I think something happened to make her that way. It’s just the most fucked up case I can ever remember.

I really hope the parents have gone on to have other children. Not to replace but I hope they have anyway. And I hope they bring them joy every single day.
BIB

I think sitting in court for 8 months and not pleading guilty, answering questions with "I don't recall, I don't know, It wasn't me", had a meltdown when her shitty lover testified, asking one mother to speak up, threw everyone under the bus is definitely not someone who is genuine and heartsick. This is not even to mention her actions to make sure the babies she wanted to kill, dead. Sickening.

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Hi everyone,

My first post, long time lurker and joined in when the bitch started taking the stand. I have been following the trial since the start though and always wondered if there was a thread, stupid me did not think to check out the off topic section until thread 23. I read the wiki and read everyone's comment and amazed at how articulate, funny and clever of people in this thread. I love it because every time I wanted to say something, someone else pointed it and said it in a much better way!!! Very impressive! And definitely most reasonable simple explanation thread (compared to other forums). Thanks so much for the knowledge, information, wiki, and the laugh!! Also thanks to BNE he is amazing, at some points in the future he will have to be on the defendant's side but he went on out to be these babies's advocate so I will always remember him as a good man!

I am invested because I also have a ex- 30 weeker who stayed in NNU for 2 months. I knew nothing about premmie because I am a first time mom and never come across one before my baby. Yes I definitely trusted HCPs 100%, so I can not imagine what the babies and parents went through and experience that level of pain!

First time I visited her in her incubator, she was only sleeping and I bursted into tears thinking how unfortunate she was when she had to came out that early then when she had her upper lip tie removed to stop reflux, the consultant kept saying baby would not feel much pain don't worry, I tried to hold my tears but she let out a cry and I could not stop crying! And my experience was literally non events compared to what happened to these babies and parents, I just want to give them all a big hug!!! So so cruel!! The bitchhhhhhh!!!!

How can that bitch not guilty after two/ three babies died and she still wanted to work, that is not someone who has a good conscience.

When first saw the article I thought she was innocent. But after reading witness statements I am guilty all the way. Even so the biggest evidence for me is regardless if there was no real proof she did it (back then), being there for every death, a person would ask to take sabbatical at least to self reflect. A good nurse would.

A bit long, sorry, I just want to say thank you again!!!
 
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Tofino

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I bet this bit is really heavy in court with him using their names.

Edit - bloody copy & paste messed up!


Mr Johnson lists the common events for the babies in this indictment by categorisation.

By ones who collapsed despite having good air entry but saturations were dropping: Child A, C, D, G, H [second event], I [third event and fourth event], M, O [twice], P.

By bleeds and/or bleeding in throat: Child C, E, G, H, N, plus 'false note by Letby' in K.

Unusual discolouration: Child A, B, D, E, I, M, O, H.

Suffered life-threatening collapses out of nowhere then recovered very quickly: Child B, D, H [both collapses], I [events one to three], M, N, O, P.

Children who collapsed when designated nurse left or leaving the room: Child C, D, G [first event], I [second event and fourth event], K, N [first event], P [third collapse - when doctors were out of the room], Q [slight variation - when Letby got herself out of the room].

Premature babies screaming/crying at time of collapse: Child E, I, N.

Children who collapsed shortly after being visited by their parents: Child B, H, I [first event], M, N, O, P.

Children who recovered quickly when taken to other hospitals: Child H, I [after 3rd collapse], N, Q.

Mr Johnson says Child K's tube never moved after being transferred out of the Countess.

When Letby participated in inappropriate post-death behaviours: Child C, I, O.

Poinsoned by insulin: F, L.

Mr Johnson says if Letby had not sabotaged seven babies, they would all have gone home. The other 10 babies, Letby attempted to murder.
Wow that’s a powerful way to finish. Those poor babies but amazing work BNE.

Gosh can’t believe we are nearly at the end… finally.
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Someone stop this man. Mrs Gill, if you are reading this right now then I beg you cut off your husbands internet access.
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He has been absolutely disgusting and insufferable all day, I can’t believe what I am reading. At least we can safely say that if she gets a whole life order, there’s absolutely zero chance of her ever getting it overturned if he is going to be the one doing her appeal.
Wow just wow.

Palliative care when you accept there is very little chance of recovery is NOT euthanasia!
 
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yellowmellow

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He refers to the 'go commando' message. He says a young woman, being cross-examined, being "humiliated" about something 'completely unrelated to what we were talking about', in front of the public, in front of her mum and dad, was inappropriate.

Ben, mate, this is the least of her worries.
 
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gigilouxx

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I’d love to have wholesome moments with my kids but the lot of em are absolutely feral, heard my 8 year old shout out his room before for his siblings to keep the noise down, shuts his door n all I hear him shout is “absolutely taking the piss” 😭😭😭 dunno who’s he got that from 🫣
 
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Haveyouanywool

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Have to say guys my partner is invested in how Mr Bonjangles is doing! Can’t remember which lovely person has him but we love birds!
Mr Bojangles is doing really well.
He had some soaked mealworms for the first time today and loved them. He doesn’t want to miss out when we’re having dinner and tries to cadge stuff even though he’s not going to like it. He’s taken to sleeping on the dish drainer (seems uncomfy) which is handy for cleaning (bleaching I may add).
I’m leaving the door open so he can go in and out as he pleases, he’s not gone far. A lot of wing flapping and has managed about a 3 - 4 foot flight. It was raining quite heavily today and he was like ‘what’s going on?’.
I didn’t realise crows have an opinion on everything, they do. Apart from the cawing, it’s hmmm, ehh, what?, is that so, or the equivalent in bird noises.

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gimmethattea

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I bet this bit is really heavy in court with him using their names.

Edit - bloody copy & paste messed up!


Mr Johnson lists the common events for the babies in this indictment by categorisation.

By ones who collapsed despite having good air entry but saturations were dropping: Child A, C, D, G, H [second event], I [third event and fourth event], M, O [twice], P.

By bleeds and/or bleeding in throat: Child C, E, G, H, N, plus 'false note by Letby' in K.

Unusual discolouration: Child A, B, D, E, I, M, O, H.

Suffered life-threatening collapses out of nowhere then recovered very quickly: Child B, D, H [both collapses], I [events one to three], M, N, O, P.

Children who collapsed when designated nurse left or leaving the room: Child C, D, G [first event], I [second event and fourth event], K, N [first event], P [third collapse - when doctors were out of the room], Q [slight variation - when Letby got herself out of the room].

Premature babies screaming/crying at time of collapse: Child E, I, N.

Children who collapsed shortly after being visited by their parents: Child B, H, I [first event], M, N, O, P.

Children who recovered quickly when taken to other hospitals: Child H, I [after 3rd collapse], N, Q.

Mr Johnson says Child K's tube never moved after being transferred out of the Countess.

When Letby participated in inappropriate post-death behaviours: Child C, I, O.

Poinsoned by insulin: F, L.

Mr Johnson says if Letby had not sabotaged seven babies, they would all have gone home. The other 10 babies, Letby attempted to murder.
I had time away from the live reporting today. I've been finding it harder and harder to read how evil someone could be.

While I was catching up and crying at points, I found myself feeling like it couldn't be true, no one could be this evil and cause these babies so much pain, fear and distress. It has been utterly heart breaking reading this case some days and I find myself at a loss as to how anyone could do this.

But how could anyone believe it's all a conspiracy, that she's a scapegoat, that she's just unlucky after everything the prosecution has delivered?

She is guilty. In every charge on this case and probably many many more. I doubt we will ever know the true extent of her depravity and the harm she has caused.


I have hugged all 3 of my children a lot today, I got to enjoy a sports day with my eldest, my middle is blowing me away with her speech every day and my youngest is almost cruising along furniture before he's even 8 months. My NICU baby proving us all wrong as he struggled so much in his first few months.


Sending everyone on this thread lots of hugs. I hope outside of this thread, you are surrounded by joy and love. There are people here that have provided amazing comments, times of laughter and shared knowledge and it has helped in such a long and tough case.
 
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nosycowmoo

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I feel like I’ve not done a proper tattler feedback in a while so I’ll try and do one tonight, today was so interesting… I’m usually to drained but I’ll do one tonight
 
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Katkitkat

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That concludes the prosecution's closing speech.

Does anyone else just feel like they're going to burst into tears?
I just hope the jury is made of of sensible people with the ability to think logically and critically and see her for what she is.
 
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tay65

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Had an awful day today. My uncle who has been a second father to me, has been diagnosed with dementia. It hits hard as I’ve seen many a dementia patient suffering and I just don’t know where to go from here. I am so heartbroken for the future times to come where a man so intelligent and caring (and would hate if lucid) declining like this, losing his identity ☹ I think I might need a break from reading about hospitals, shame I can’t escape it in my line of work.
I'm sorry to hear about this. My husband was diagnosed three years ago with early onset AD. It has changed our lives and we have to keep adapting to the constant changes. He had to stop doing the job he loved and had to stop driving. It is a very cruel disease. He still understands a lot but also gets confused. Some days are better than others.
 
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Deeznutslol

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Comment from one of the groups… no way of knowing how true it is obviously, but the person who posted isn’t hiding their identity and is from the same town as LL.
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A mega Pint

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Hi my lovely guilters, I’m struggling to catch up, have a bit of a heath crisis going on right now, not an easy fix one unfortunately. I’m following along as best I can because ye are all amazing!! I’ll probably not post a bit for a while (incase any of ye might miss me🤣🤣🤣) but I’ll be reading as much as I can and hopefully when I know what’s what and treatments are started I can interact a bit more. Just don’t all leave me high and dry if ye move on elsewhere. I’m waiting for justice day. Love to you all. 💕💕💕💕
 
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