Lucy Letby Case #39

[slidders]

and funnily enough we don’t see people saying

“ but I Facebook stalk people too! “

in defence of his actions

“ItS jUsT mY nOrMaL pAtTeRn Of BeHaViOuR”

 

[mrs.darcy]

The fact the judge practically said "If you think she is guilty of one case then you can find her guilty of them all" really gives me hope for guilty of all charges, hopefully unanimous. That's how it sounded to me anyway! I think they could take a couple of days to come back with the verdict, though. If you said they may discuss each case for an hour, on average, then that's 17 hours. Of course, they may just go round the table for some of them and all say guilty straight away, no discussion needed. I have good faith in this jury.
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Also, I have never been on a jury. How does it work? In my head, they all sit around a table and in this case, someone would say, "ok Child A - Guilty or Not guilty" Go round the table and say what you think. Say it was 9-3 in favour of guilty, those that said not guilty say why they think not guilty, discuss, then go around again? I literally have no idea but for me, that would be the most logical process!

I've only been on a coroner's jury and we had to establish whether a death was accidental or not.

We sat round one big table, elected our foreman and then all had a say. Our decision was unanimous. It was an interesting experience.

 

[gigilouxx]

Wouldn’t mind that science guy as my bud man if his calculations are out by 1kg

 

[Hannah_204]

Someone just got told to ‘grow a brain’ on the Facebook group.

 

[Daisydunn15]

The vast majority of us don't go into nursing to kill innocents honestly!

I'm a nurse too I just have never met a normal nurse who says that being a nurse is their whole entire life, I always thought it was a bit weird whenever someone was like that but now I'll be getting murderer vibes too

 

[MmmB777]

Someone just got told to ‘grow a brain’ on the Facebook group.

Hmm I wonder who might have said that @gigilouxx

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

They don’t know anything. They just copy and paste stuff off the internet.
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I’m still waiting on their insulin calculations tbh (+ all of the other calculations they’ve claimed they’ve done), but if they’re anything like this, then no wonder the defense straight up ignored them. They’ve attempted to convert the insulin blood concentration from pmol/L to IU/L with an online calculator which uses an incorrect conversion factor of 1 mIU/L = 6.945 pmol/L (it should be 6.00 pmol/L), but that’s not the worst thing they’ve done here by far.
Notice that ‘m’ in front of the UI in ‘mIU/L’? That means mili units, 1 mIU/L = 0.001 IU/L. Taking the (incorrect) conversion factor of 6.945 and converting 4657 pmol/L to UI will give us a concentration of 0.67 UI/L, not 670 UI/L.
Their calculations are literally out by a factor of 1000, which is absolutely huge. I’m sure you all understand the magnitude of this error, but to put things into perspective, this error would be the equivalent of giving someone 1kg of a drug when you only meant to give them 1g. That’s why they’ve calculated such an enormously high dose of insulin of 44 IU per hour think that prof Hindmarsh’s results are wrong, because they don’t understand the difference between units (IU) and mili units (mIU) and they don’t know how to convert between them lmao. There’s a reason why they force people to go to university for years before they let them loose on designing dosing regimes, and don’t just let every internet ‘scientist’ who thinks they know things have a go. But as I say, still waiting!!!!
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So funny that Richard Gill clearly believes their nonsense as well. Letby has no chance of ever getting her (incoming) guilty conviction overturned if these are the absolute melts who she’s got willing to fight her corner.

The thing is, on the surface this looks like a lot of maths from someone who knows what they are talking about, so I bet the defence team at the very least got someone who knows what they're talking about to give it a once over, what an absolute waste of time and resources that could have been spent working on something else in her defence. No wonder they told them to piss off.

 

[AllieBee]

I'm a nurse too I just have never met a normal nurse who says that being a nurse is their whole entire life, I always thought it was a bit weird whenever someone was like that but now I'll be getting murderer vibes too

Ha yeah come to think of it, most of us are always moaning and saying we hate it and can't wait to get out the door!

 

[LittleMy]

Someone just got told to ‘grow a brain’ on the Facebook group.

I saw that post. No wonder though, he’s just reduced the whole populations of N. Ireland, Scotland and places in England like Liverpool to stereotypes.

 

[gigilouxx]

Hmm I wonder who might have said that @gigilouxx

Wasn’t me grow a brain isn’t one of mine

 

[Wellthisisinteresting]

Hmm I wonder who might have said that @gigilouxx

 

[helcob1977]

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I know it’s a small data pool but some of them are actually “normal”
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I think I'm in that group so one of the votes was probably mine

I think one of my posts has been deleted for mentioning the tit monster that came out of the pipes

 

[dorydaryl]

I call Richard Gill 'Dickie Donut' because he's dense and goes round in circles.

 

[helcob1977]

I'm dangerously close to getting my period so not going to frequent the Facebook group today. I'll spend the whole day arguing with imbeciles, like yesterday!!

 

[DellaC]

I call Richard Gill 'Dickie Donut' because he's dense and goes round in circles.

 

[nahm8]

I have been wondering this too as I have never been called (gutted I can’t wait to get called haha) but I would assume in most trials it’s often 1 charge so would think they’d do a quick sweep of G/NG & then discuss if it wasn’t unanimous.

I’m wondering if they do the same here but a “G on all counts/ G on some/ NG full stop” to get what the majority is & then they might need to go into each charge.

Or maybe they do have to go through each charge regardless due to those Qs posted. I don’t know. Because obviously if every jury member thought G for every charge straight away, surely they wouldn’t need to go into each charge to discuss? But that’s just how mybrain works haha.

Possibly they will start at the first charge, ask for verdicts from each member & discuss if needed. Then move onto the next. If they do it this way I believe the deliberations will take some time.

I was on a jury a while ago (honestly wouldn't recommend, it was super boring - a lot of sitting around e.g. waiting for witnesses to arrive). We first did an anonymous write your verdict on a piece of paper just incase we were all unanimous and it'd be nice and easy, but no dice so we literally did the classic 'hands up for g, hands up for ng' for the various counts.

Anything that wasn't unanimous we then were supposed to go through all the evidence from that count bit by bit and discuss it to see if anyone had any confusion or misunderstandings, we could send questions to the judge if we weren't sure if we'd interpreted or remembered evidence correctly.

Then it was basically just... hash it out. The judge expects you to keep discussing until you can get unanimous,, but if that takes too long (and each judge has a different view on what is 'too long' depending on the complexity of the case) then they'll ask for majority (10:2).

Hopefully since this case has taken such a long time they'll have had a lot of time to process already, so will be coming into the discussions really ready to give their thoughts and opinions and hopefully come to a verdict relatively quickly, but it could go the other way if they want to be methodical and examine all the evidence which would take a good while.
For the case I was on it took a matter of hours to return with a verdict, but it was of course much simpler than this.

 

[dual2099]

I've only been on a coroner's jury and we had to establish whether a death was accidental or not.

We sat round one big table, elected our foreman and then all had a say. Our decision was unanimous. It was an interesting experience.

Do they sometimes get sent to a hotel? If they can’t reach a verdict on that day? And I know it sounds dumb, but where do they sit around a table? Or is it a hotel meeting room? It’s bizarre, I don’t even know if we’ve seen it on tv dramas.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Sometimes they are sent to a hotel yes or they used to be in my day.

 

[mrs.darcy]

Do they sometimes get sent to a hotel? If they can’t reach a verdict on that day? And I know it sounds dumb, but where do they sit around a table? Or is it a hotel meeting room? It’s bizarre, I don’t even know if we’ve seen it on tv dramas.

Ours was in the council chamber of the local town. We were all local people so no overnights needed. Ours only lasted 1 day as it was very straightforward. It was a large table in a meeting room with enough seats for the 12 of us.

We had a lunch break so could go out for that.

 

[LittleMy]

When I did jury duty we were sent into a room with a round table (same room we went to during breaks in the trial). Only the clerk was allowed to come and go, and if we needed anything clarified they were sent out for us. We basically went round the table and all said what we thought, had to hash it out by going through the points to see if it would change anyone’s mind as there were a few who weren’t sure. We took about 4 hours to deliberate and a majority guilty verdict was reached.