This one is specific to murder and manslaughter https://samm.org.uk/ , and as I am a volunteer for this other one which is more general but does pick up any type of bereavement including murder and supports people who are triggered about their own losses by reading about Lucifer, I will just mention it too: https://www.cruse.org.uk/Does anyone know if there is a specific charity supporting the families, or that supports families of babies who have been murdered?
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Perhaps after the verdict a spokesperson for the parents may be able to advise on where donations go if anyone wants to do so in memory of the babies.
I followed a very harrowing case earlier in the year and some of us on fb put money together for flowers for the grave of the victim. He was Polish and none of the family had been able to attend the trial. It did help doing something in memory.
I followed a very harrowing case earlier in the year and some of us on fb put money together for flowers for the grave of the victim. He was Polish and none of the family had been able to attend the trial. It did help doing something in memory.
I'm looking forward to this trial finally ending. It's been very interesting to follow and I would love for those poor families to get some kind of justice, but it's also quite draining emotionally isn't it. We've all been here for 8 months now and whilst it doesn't feel like it, that's pretty nuts. God know how the families are doing it because this will have been their lived hell for years as the police gathered the evidence and prepped them for the trial.
Most trials only last a couple of months max so this has definitely been the most complex one I've ever followed. Thankfully everyone had been respectful here and prompted good debate and discussion (particularly for people like me who stayed on the fence for as long as possible).
Most trials only last a couple of months max so this has definitely been the most complex one I've ever followed. Thankfully everyone had been respectful here and prompted good debate and discussion (particularly for people like me who stayed on the fence for as long as possible).
We were like likeNo way babes
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It's comical how they come in all bleeping gun ho, I've been pepper sprayed for being verbally aggressive coz they accused the wrong person.
show the footage please show the footageeee
26 pages long it was as well, how lovely for her collection 
funny it didnât make her cry cos sheâd just been accused of telling lies to get sympathy 
Dear LL, tigger and smudge.
I just realised itâs time for a new thread, Iâm led here in bed in my matching blue Lee copper tracksuit. Oh sorry damn it I wanted sympathy ok ok Iâm in my nighty
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Iâve got a really isolated weekend planned so I wonât be on here much, first Iâm going shopping with my colleagues, meeting my mum and dad for an afternoon out, then Iâm at the races with the work girls tonight. Tomorrow Iâm going to London with married doctor no name, yano my boyfriend
So yeh sorry I wonât be able to be on here much- the isolation is really getting to me this weekend.
So there you go thatâs the menu for the weekend.
Much love LL (btw a student wrote all that, I didnât get her to initial it though, obviously I hate following the rules so I got her to write it and Iâve just signed it off from me- same same yeh?!)
I just realised itâs time for a new thread, Iâm led here in bed in my matching blue Lee copper tracksuit. Oh sorry damn it I wanted sympathy ok ok Iâm in my nighty
.Iâve got a really isolated weekend planned so I wonât be on here much, first Iâm going shopping with my colleagues, meeting my mum and dad for an afternoon out, then Iâm at the races with the work girls tonight. Tomorrow Iâm going to London with married doctor no name, yano my boyfriend
So yeh sorry I wonât be able to be on here much- the isolation is really getting to me this weekend. So there you go thatâs the menu for the weekend.
Much love LL (btw a student wrote all that, I didnât get her to initial it though, obviously I hate following the rules so I got her to write it and Iâve just signed it off from me- same same yeh?!)
Much like the Facebook searches, her little lies about what she was wearing and whether or not she was bleeping NN aren't evidence of anything on their own, but when you add them together they build a picture of someone who lies and manipulates constantly. She admitted she lied to the jury, all of the reporting included that question and her reply.
Q -"Why did you lie to the jury?"
A- "I don't know"
There's no ambivalence in reporting, she admitted on the stand in front of the jury to lying in court. How can they now believe anything she says?
And the note to the triplets, anyone normal would put "dear X, it's your birthday and your bothers aren't here to celebrate with you" (well not really because a normal person wouldn't refer to them in a birthday card) She included the 3rd child as if they were also passed, only she knows why she did that, but pretty sure none of the 3rd triplets other birthday cards referred to him in the past tense, only the draft written by her, the person on trial for murdering his brothers.
Q -"Why did you lie to the jury?"
A- "I don't know"
There's no ambivalence in reporting, she admitted on the stand in front of the jury to lying in court. How can they now believe anything she says?
And the note to the triplets, anyone normal would put "dear X, it's your birthday and your bothers aren't here to celebrate with you" (well not really because a normal person wouldn't refer to them in a birthday card) She included the 3rd child as if they were also passed, only she knows why she did that, but pretty sure none of the 3rd triplets other birthday cards referred to him in the past tense, only the draft written by her, the person on trial for murdering his brothers.
I didnât register the significance of the sympathy note, I wouldâve just assumed she included all three names because it was their birthday and itâs so sad for the brother who lived. Others will argue this is the case but the fact remains LL didnât say that and didnât dispute that it was some sort of fantasy that she had murdered all three. Thatâs what is damning about it IMO. BNE has got the measure of her and sheâs taken aback by that because she didnât expect to be called out for it.
I think they were having an emotional affair and it was likely getting to the point of being physical (maybe had just become so on the London trip). It's still sick, he has a wife and children! He shouldn't be swanning off betraying them at all let alone with someone he KNOWS is under such investigation. Did he have no inkling that she was a wrong-un?! A man with his education couldn't figure her out?? Either the dude is a total idiot or she did a number on him with all her manipulation and sympathy fishing.
BNE has proven time and time again that she is a compulsive liar, it doesn't matter what she lies about.
I just wanted to edit to add that you, @Tofino deserve a medal for your contribution to sense, reason and the wiki!
The scary thing is she might not even be able to recall whether or not she actually did murder him. She might genuinely at the time of writing think that she did kill him.
Absolutely all this. Sheâs even trying to say she got up and had her little hissy fit trying to escape because she was ill? What suddenly upon hearing his voice? Thatâs a lie, itâs a blatant lie on the stand where she is fighting for her life. Why canât she just say because it hurt so much to hear his voice again?
Because it hurts as he was supposed to stand by her (as she says in her note). He clearly didnât. It didnât fizzle out, he got wind of what sheâd done and probably got to see some of her true self. She probably only wanted to keep being around him to talk about baby o &p.
I think she wrote the three names because she was absolutely gutted she didnât get to murder all three
like a fantasy note of the card she had wanted to send.
I feel funny after yesterday too. I think even though Iâve always thought she was guilty itâs the realisation that she really did do all this. Itâs too horrifying.
like a fantasy note of the card she had wanted to send.I feel funny after yesterday too. I think even though Iâve always thought she was guilty itâs the realisation that she really did do all this. Itâs too horrifying.
Yep and she did so because sheâs trying to link serious ptsd to this event. But realistically thatâll be from constant threats to her life in prison and maybe being âblobbedâ
A few of the students nurses I spoke to during NICU and children's ward stays and a mom I know who is training at my daughter's school said they rotate wards for the experience range, but one said she may have changed her mind on which ward she wanted to be on. Originally planned to do children's ward, but was considering going into maternity instead.
Funny story, she remembered me from my induction in the maternity ward when I saw her 2 weeks later and she was on the children's ward. She was a truly wonderful nurse who took my son for 20 or so minutes so I could eat the food she snuck me off the food trolley, as usually it's just for kids or breastfeeding mom.
Not sure if it's similar for doctors
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